[Callers] Re: [External] Re: Choreographic No-Nos

Is Bob Isaacs in the house? He has a giant spreadsheet with every possible move transition and a count of the number of times it occurs in a set of dances that now numbers in the hundreds or maybe a lot more. It’s interesting which unlikely combinations do occur and which rarely do. I hope this someday sees the light of day. —jh— On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:29 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers < contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote: > Jeff, impressively bad, well done! > > My biggest pet peeve is a RH chain (or promenade, or other move with a > CCW courtesy turn) into a circle L—though this is a very of-the-moment > style preference, as I know plenty of the classic dances have this combo. > (Likewise for dances where just the 1s do a figure while the 2s stand > around, doubly so if the dance doesn’t alternate active couples.) > > Long lines followed by a chain is quite idiomatic—and probably in part > because of the strength that idiom, a chain (or other courtesy turn figure) > followed by long lines drives me up a wall. > > I don’t love long lines into a circle—I’ll tolerate it if the rest of > the dance is really exceptional, ehhhh. > > -- > Maia McCormick (she/her) > 917.279.8194 > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:31 PM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers < > contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote: > >> Balance neighbor (4), swing partner (12) >> >> Ones dosido below while twos seesaw above (8). >> >> Long lines forward (4), swing on the side (8), long lines back (4). >> >> Circle left 1x (6) pass through (2) >> >> Jeff >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 9:51 PM Tepfer, Seth via Contra Callers < >> contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote: >> >>> >>> - A right chain INTO a swing >>> - A swing into a circle right >>> - Standard right shoulder hey into a swing >>> >>> >>> Plenty other bad flow examples >>> >>> >>> Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his) >>> Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate Center >>> >>> <https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/fcd3f5d71da848759228584d1a49babd@emory.edu?anonymous&ep=signature> Book >>> time to meet with me >>> <https://outlook.office365.com/owa/calendar/SethTepfer@mscloud.emory.net/bookings/> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Jonathan Sivier via Contra Callers < >>> contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2024 9:48 PM >>> *To:* New Contra Callers List &lt;contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; >>> *Subject:* [External] [Callers] Re: Choreographic No-Nos >>> >>> I don't agree with your list. Yes, swings on the first half of a >>> phrase are challenging and I might try to avoid them. There are dances >>> with this that generally work fine, especially if the caller is aware of >>> the potential issue and teaches and calls accordingly. The do-si-do across >>> can be a bit awkward in a crowded line, but only if everyone is doing the >>> do-si-do. If only the 1's or 2's are doing it then there is no problem. >>> Shadow swings seem to be a personal preference or dislike and not really a >>> choreographic issue. I actually think that a right chain after a swing can >>> work very well. If you end the swing with the pointy hands pointing across >>> then the right hands of the right hand dancers are right there ready to >>> pull by. I suppose you might say there is a momentum change, but that can >>> be very welcome in a dance where everything seems to be traveling the same >>> way. Not every dance has to have continuous motion in the same direction >>> all the time. I danced a dance with that set of figures just last Friday >>> and I was thinking to myself how well it seemed to work. >>> >>> So I see #1 and #3 as more of a challenge than a problem. #4 is a >>> personal preference and #2 seems like a perfectly fine transition between >>> figures. >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> On 8/5/2024 7:37 PM, Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers wrote: >>> > I am accumulating a list of figures, or figure sequence that >>> significant dance writers (not necessarily a majority) consider >>> Choreographic No-Nos >>> > My list so far: >>> > 1. do-si-do across >>> > 2. right chain after a swing >>> > 3 short swings on an odd phrase >>> > 4. Shadow swings >>> > Does anyone have further suggestions? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Contra Callers mailing list -- contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> contracallers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Contra Callers mailing list -- contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> contracallers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Contra Callers mailing list -- contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> contracallers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > To unsubscribe send an email to > contracallers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net > _______________________________________________