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Good thought.? And I liked Jack's idea of how to incorporate this in the teaching if you had time.
When partner changing, gender swapping, we should consider if the other person in the pairing is willing to dance with someone other than they said yes to.? I don't think you'd get that far in the workshop (partner swap) but it is a part of play. Sometimes at a weekend we'll have an occasional chaos line where anything goes, as I'm sure you have done/seen too.? Key for swapping is - know what your doing, and don't put an insecure or inexperienced person out there.
Locally we do as was already noted at regular, and even special dances - watch the line and switch back if someone is a bit homophobic or if it will be confusing.? Knowing your community is key.? Or get to know the community you are visiting.
The interesting thing is people don't get confused, or don't typically get confused, if its a pair of ladies dancing together, they deal with the position.? It's only when the genders are crossed that the eyes get crossed, or if its a pair of gents.? I think its a good thing to help newer folks stay familiar with the position rather than the role and rather see that than full protection from exposure.? If I see its a newer dancer when I approach another lady I say, I'm dancing as the gent as I approach, and then they are okay.? Sometimes newer male dancers ask me to twirl them or turn them so they can understand how it feels.
Laurie
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From: Jerome Grisanti <jerome.grisanti(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Callers Digest, Vol 61, Issue 6
To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 9:36 AM
Following up on Mark Galipeau's note:
In a workshop, it may be good to offer a little context on when
gender-role-swapping is appropriate (or inappropriate). For example, at most
dance weekends your neighbors will welcome or at least understand. At many
monthly dances, there are neighbors who may become confused either because
they are new, rigidly devoted to traditional gender roles, or any number of
other reasons. Some may even try to correct us (if they don't know us).
Before swapping, I look ahead in the line to be sure that our next neighbors
will be part of the "game" and not put off by it.
(Mark indicates the idea of there being a time and a place for this, I
merely offer an additional tip).
--Jerome
>
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> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mark Galipeau <red72impala(a)yahoo.com>
> To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Gender Swapping
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> If the group is alert, what my dance partners and I occasionally enjoy, is
> memorizing both roles in the dance, then each iteration when there is a
> swing your partner, we swap gender roles.
> ie: first swing I lead, then the next time we come back to swing my partner
> immediately takes the lead role and swings me.? Some dances are challenging
> and if the grey matter is slow, or it is late in the evening this can really
> snafu the line.
> ?
> Chris Ricciotti has a great web resouce on Gender Free Contra on this web
> site.
> http://www.lcfd.org/Articles/GFManual/index.html
> ?
> Mark Galipeau
> Queer Contra Dancer
> We swing both ways, and then some.
>
>
>
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On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Jack Mitchell wrote:
> One other thing I had thought about doing in a workshop is to have a
> few people in each line with a red ball cap or a particular shirt or
> some other identifying mark,
Among the several methods of identifying dance roles without respect to
gender, the most common in New England is the LCFD (Lavender Country
and Folk Dancers) method pioneered by Chris Ricciotti in 1989 at the
Jamaica Plain (MA) dance. Chris instituted the use of an armband for
the person dancing the traditional gent's role, and no armband for the
"barearm" dancer in the traditional lady's role. Orange surveyors tape
has become the most popular material for this purpose at gender role
free events. Although "bands" and "bares" are still the terms used to
denote dance roles in place of "gents" and "ladies," sometimes the
identifying mark is no longer worn on the arm. It may be a bright
headband, or a clip-on rainbow ribbon adorning a shirt pocket; still,
the meaning is clear as you approach a new couple within a contra set.
Skillful role-free calling depends upon much more than convincing half
your dancers to wear an armband. For those who are planning to
participate in a workshop or otherwise experiment with role free
calling, I can't stress highly enough the importance of going to the
LCFD site at http://www.lcfd.org/ Scroll to the "News and Articles"
section and click on "Gender-free caller's manual and history" to
download Chris Ricciotti's history of and instructions for role-free
dancing. This is the most important resource that I know of. It
includes popular contra dances written out with traditional calling
terminology and role-free terminology side by side.
Although popular within the gay and lesbian community, role-free
dancing is available to and enjoyable for everyone. NEFFA's first
programmed role-free session, using armbands, took place in 1990, and
these sessions have become a NEFFA tradition.
There are distinct advantages for callers who become fully comfortable
with dancing either role, even if you never call a specifically
role-free evening of dance. For example, as you plan an evening
program, you will find that you develop better sequences of dances to
call. As you review a dance for possible inclusion in your program,
you'll think more about how the dance choreography works for either
traditional role. After calling a dance that emphasizes the lady's
role, you'll be less likely to follow up with one or two more dances
that make the women do all the work, but will instead make sure that
the gent's role receives proper attention within the overall flow of
dance. The discovery of many more advantages awaits the caller who
looks further into this subject. ... Bob
Robert Jon Golder
New Bedford, MA
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On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Jack Mitchell wrote:
> One other thing I had thought about doing in a workshop is to have a
> few people in each line with a red ball cap or a particular shirt or
> some other identifying mark,
Among the several methods of identifying dance roles without respect to
gender, the most common in New England is the LCFD (Lavender Country
and Folk Dancers) method pioneered by Chris Ricciotti in 1989 at the
Jamaica Plain (MA) dance. Chris instituted the use of an armband for
the person dancing the traditional gent's role, and no armband for the
"barearm" dancer in the traditional lady's role. Orange surveyors tape
has become the most popular material for this purpose at gender role
free events. Although "bands" and "bares" are still the terms used to
denote dance roles in place of "gents" and "ladies," sometimes the
identifying mark is no longer worn on the arm. It may be a bright
headband, or a clip-on rainbow ribbon adorning a shirt pocket; still,
the meaning is clear as you approach a new couple within a contra set.
Skillful role-free calling depends upon much more than convincing half
your dancers to wear an armband. For those who are planning to
participate in a workshop or otherwise experiment with role free
calling, I can't stress highly enough the importance of going to the
LCFD site at http://www.lcfd.org/ Scroll to the "News and Articles"
section and click on "Gender-free caller's manual and history" to
download Chris Ricciotti's history of and instructions for role-free
dancing. This is the most important resource that I know of. It
includes popular contra dances written out with traditional calling
terminology and role-free terminology side by side.
Although popular within the gay and lesbian community, role-free
dancing is available to and enjoyable for everyone. NEFFA's first
programmed role-free session, using armbands, took place in 1990, and
these sessions have become a NEFFA tradition.
There are distinct advantages for callers who become fully comfortable
with dancing either role, even if you never call a specifically
role-free evening of dance. For example, as you plan an evening
program, you will find that you develop better sequences of dances to
call. As you review a dance for possible inclusion in your program,
you'll think more about how the dance choreography works for either
traditional role. After calling a dance that emphasizes the lady's
role, you'll be less likely to follow up with one or two more dances
that make the women do all the work, but will instead make sure that
the gent's role receives proper attention within the overall flow of
dance. The discovery of many more advantages awaits the caller who
looks further into this subject. ... Bob
Robert Jon Golder
New Bedford, MA
Following up on Mark Galipeau's note:
In a workshop, it may be good to offer a little context on when
gender-role-swapping is appropriate (or inappropriate). For example, at most
dance weekends your neighbors will welcome or at least understand. At many
monthly dances, there are neighbors who may become confused either because
they are new, rigidly devoted to traditional gender roles, or any number of
other reasons. Some may even try to correct us (if they don't know us).
Before swapping, I look ahead in the line to be sure that our next neighbors
will be part of the "game" and not put off by it.
(Mark indicates the idea of there being a time and a place for this, I
merely offer an additional tip).
--Jerome
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mark Galipeau <red72impala(a)yahoo.com>
> To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Gender Swapping
> Message-ID: <964380.63567.qm(a)web83604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> If the group is alert, what my dance partners and I occasionally enjoy, is
> memorizing both roles in the dance, then each iteration when there is a
> swing your partner, we swap gender roles.
> ie: first swing I lead, then the next time we come back to swing my partner
> immediately takes the lead role and swings me.? Some dances are challenging
> and if the grey matter is slow, or it is late in the evening this can really
> snafu the line.
> ?
> Chris Ricciotti has a great web resouce on Gender Free Contra on this web
> site.
> http://www.lcfd.org/Articles/GFManual/index.html
> ?
> Mark Galipeau
> Queer Contra Dancer
> We swing both ways, and then some.
>
>
>
--
Jerome Grisanti
660-528-0858
http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
For the good are always the merry,
Save by an evil chance,
And the merry love the fiddle
And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats
At regular public contra dances I don't switch genders. If I see a
swapped couple approaching I will often begin calling (if the caller
has stopped calling) to help my partner, and others, avoid confusion.
Greg McKenzie
*********
At 06:57 AM 9/11/2009, Jack Mitchell wrote:
> One other thing I had thought about doing in a workshop is to have a
> few people in each line with a red ball cap or a particular shirt or
> some other identifying mark, and challenge folks in the workshop to
> make sure that they're not swapping when they get to those particular
> people in the line. At regular dances, I have particular local dancers
> that I know don't react well to switching parts -- mostly because it
> confuses them -- and I try to switch back when I see them coming. I
> also attempt (mostly successfully) to make sure that I don't switch
> parts when one of the folks in the next couple is a new dancer. The
> partner swing is a nice time to look ahead to see who the next couple
> is and quickly switch back if needed.
> Jack
> At 09:36 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote:
>
> Following up on Mark Galipeau's note:
> In a workshop, it may be good to offer a little context on when
> gender-role-swapping is appropriate (or inappropriate). For example,
> at most
> dance weekends your neighbors will welcome or at least understand.
> At many
> monthly dances, there are neighbors who may become confused either
> because
> they are new, rigidly devoted to traditional gender roles, or any
> number of
> other reasons. Some may even try to correct us (if they don't know
> us).
> Before swapping, I look ahead in the line to be sure that our next
> neighbors
> will be part of the "game" and not put off by it.
> (Mark indicates the idea of there being a time and a place for this,
> I
> merely offer an additional tip).
> --Jerome
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Mark Galipeau <red72impala(a)yahoo.com>
> > To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Gender Swapping
> > Message-ID: <964380.63567.qm(a)web83604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > If the group is alert, what my dance partners and I occasionally
> enjoy, is
> > memorizing both roles in the dance, then each iteration when there
> is a
> > swing your partner, we swap gender roles.
> > ie: first swing I lead, then the next time we come back to swing
> my partner
> > immediately takes the lead role and swings me.? Some dances are
> challenging
> > and if the grey matter is slow, or it is late in the evening this
> can really
> > snafu the line.
> > ?
> > Chris Ricciotti has a great web resouce on Gender Free Contra on
> this web
> > site.
> > [1]http://www.lcfd.org/Articles/GFManual/index.html
> > ?
> > Mark Galipeau
> > Queer Contra Dancer
> > We swing both ways, and then some.
> >
> >
> >
> --
> Jerome Grisanti
> 660-528-0858
> [2]http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
> For the good are always the merry,
> Save by an evil chance,
> And the merry love the fiddle
> And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats
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>
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One other thing I had thought about doing in a workshop is to have a
few people in each line with a red ball cap or a particular shirt or
some other identifying mark, and challenge folks in the workshop to
make sure that they're not swapping when they get to those particular
people in the line. At regular dances, I have particular local dancers
that I know don't react well to switching parts -- mostly because it
confuses them -- and I try to switch back when I see them coming. I
also attempt (mostly successfully) to make sure that I don't switch
parts when one of the folks in the next couple is a new dancer. The
partner swing is a nice time to look ahead to see who the next couple
is and quickly switch back if needed.
Jack
At 09:36 AM 9/11/2009, you wrote:
Following up on Mark Galipeau's note:
In a workshop, it may be good to offer a little context on when
gender-role-swapping is appropriate (or inappropriate). For example,
at most
dance weekends your neighbors will welcome or at least understand.
At many
monthly dances, there are neighbors who may become confused either
because
they are new, rigidly devoted to traditional gender roles, or any
number of
other reasons. Some may even try to correct us (if they don't know
us).
Before swapping, I look ahead in the line to be sure that our next
neighbors
will be part of the "game" and not put off by it.
(Mark indicates the idea of there being a time and a place for this,
I
merely offer an additional tip).
--Jerome
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mark Galipeau <red72impala(a)yahoo.com>
> To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Gender Swapping
> Message-ID: <964380.63567.qm(a)web83604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> If the group is alert, what my dance partners and I occasionally
enjoy, is
> memorizing both roles in the dance, then each iteration when there
is a
> swing your partner, we swap gender roles.
> ie: first swing I lead, then the next time we come back to swing
my partner
> immediately takes the lead role and swings me.? Some dances are
challenging
> and if the grey matter is slow, or it is late in the evening this
can really
> snafu the line.
> ?
> Chris Ricciotti has a great web resouce on Gender Free Contra on
this web
> site.
> [1]http://www.lcfd.org/Articles/GFManual/index.html
> ?
> Mark Galipeau
> Queer Contra Dancer
> We swing both ways, and then some.
>
>
>
--
Jerome Grisanti
660-528-0858
[2]http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
For the good are always the merry,
Save by an evil chance,
And the merry love the fiddle
And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats
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Okay, so I live in a void down here in Texas - will someone take me in when I have to move out of this state for my politics?
I'm intrigued with the techno-hip hop alternative dance tunes since viewing that video. Can someone share a list of tunes/artists I should look for that might work for college-age dancers when I can't provide live music? I can't find Tensta's My Cool on I-tunes.
Any help is appreciated.
Looking forward...
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Mabank, Texas 75156
(903) 451-5535 (H)
(903) 288-4401 (cell)
lmrosko(a)hotmail.com
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Babs,
A couple of things come to mind when gender swapping:
Leaders need to understand that those they twirl appreciate being stopped and pointed in the right direction. This is an additional level of responsibility.
In order to do that leaders need to know they will use first their left and then their right hand, changing hands over the lady's head as she twirls, bringing joined hands down to the side to face in correct direction.
See you at Moondance!
Charley
BTW I have some great new dances listed on my website: www.charley.8m.com
Sometimes when I am alone I Google myself...
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Laur <lcpgr(a)yahoo.com>
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Barb,
?
It's always fun to watch the gents do that first ladies chain in reverse role.
?
I agree with David's comments, that sometimes its just fun to catch them by surprise.
?
Ah-ha moments for both genders are how important it is to help your partner, guide them into a move or the next position, or ending in the position that fits the figure.
?
Limp noodles are a good point when they reverse.
?
Positioning - considerations with height and girth.
?
Some of these things are incidental to the gender workshop, but it all counts.
?
Laurie Pietravalle
MI
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From: Barbara Groh <barbaragroh(a)bellsouth.net>
Subject: [Callers] workshop ideas
To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 8:59 PM
Hey, y'all,
I'm going to be facilitating a "gender-swap" w.s. at Moondance in a few days.? I've never been to a workshop on this topic, and I thought I would solicit ideas from the group.???Has anybody been to (or perhaps led) a gender-swap session????Any gems you can share with me on what worked well or what didn't?
Thanks!!
Barbara
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To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
Subject: [Callers] Gender Swapping
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Barbara,
The two things that are most confusing when changing genders are the chain
and the swing.
For the chain, you might review courtesy turn and also the twirl. Make sure
twirlers know their hand should be directly over the head of the twirlee,
and their hand should remain open (not gripping).
When I mentioned to one group that the twirler's hand should remain open, a
roar of women's voices said "Yes!" and I just added, "gentlemen, the
twirlees have spoken..."
--Jerome
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> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:59:44 -0500
> From: "Barbara Groh" <barbaragroh(a)bellsouth.net>
> To: <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: [Callers] workshop ideas
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> Hey, y'all,
>
> I'm going to be facilitating a "gender-swap" w.s. at Moondance in a few
> days. I've never been to a workshop on this topic, and I thought I would
> solicit ideas from the group. Has anybody been to (or perhaps led) a
> gender-swap session? Any gems you can share with me on what worked well
> or
> what didn't?
>
> Thanks!!
> Barbara
>
> --
> Jerome Grisanti
> 660-528-0858
> http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
>
> For the good are always the merry,
> Save by an evil chance,
> And the merry love the fiddle
> And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Galipeau <red72impala(a)yahoo.com>
To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Gender Swapping
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If the group is alert, what my dance partners and I occasionally enjoy, is memorizing both roles in the dance, then each iteration when there is a swing your partner, we swap gender roles.
ie: first swing I lead, then the next time we come back to swing my partner immediately takes the lead role and swings me.? Some dances are challenging and if the grey matter is slow, or it is late in the evening this can really snafu the line.
?
Chris Ricciotti has a great web resouce on Gender Free Contra on this web site.
http://www.lcfd.org/Articles/GFManual/index.html
?
Mark Galipeau
Queer Contra Dancer
We swing both ways, and then some.
--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Jerome Grisanti <jerome.grisanti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jerome Grisanti <jerome.grisanti(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Callers] Gender Swapping
To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 2:27 PM
Barbara,
The two things that are most confusing when changing genders are the chain
and the swing.
For the chain, you might review courtesy turn and also the twirl. Make sure
twirlers know their hand should be directly over the head of the twirlee,
and their hand should remain open (not gripping).
When I mentioned to one group that the twirler's hand should remain open, a
roar of women's voices said "Yes!" and I just added, "gentlemen, the
twirlees have spoken..."
--Jerome
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> Hey, y'all,
>
> I'm going to be facilitating a "gender-swap" w.s. at Moondance in a few
> days.? I've never been to a workshop on this topic, and I thought I would
> solicit ideas from the group.???Has anybody been to (or perhaps led) a
> gender-swap session????Any gems you can share with me on what worked well
> or
> what didn't?
>
> Thanks!!
> Barbara
>
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Also, on the swing, I generally would suggest that people do a
"gendered" and not a "symmetrical" swing. Some sort of swing where
there are two hands on backs and two hands clasped. It's a good
reminder of which part you're dancing, and it also makes it easier to
put the "lady" on the right at the end of the swing.
Beth Molaro's "Dance a Mile in your Partner's Shoes" workshop about 10
years ago is what got me started swapping back and forth. When she
does her workshop, it's mostly a dance, with style tips put in. I've
been thinking about putting a workshop together myself, and might look
at starting with a dance that plays with the roles within the dance
(Chained Men, by Gene Hubert comes to mind), and then talking about the
swing position, also about hand direction when taking hands -- "gents"
hands palms up, "ladies" palms down -- which also helps with the
remembering which part you're dancing. Maybe do a nice basic dance,
probably including a chain and encourage people to try dancing the
other part. Then maybe a couple of symmetrical dances, and encourage
people to switch during the dance...when they get to the end....or when
they swing their partner....or whenever they can figure out a way to do
it. ;-)
Let us know how it goes!
Jack Mitchell
At 05:27 PM 9/9/2009, you wrote:
Barbara,
The two things that are most confusing when changing genders are the
chain
and the swing.
For the chain, you might review courtesy turn and also the twirl.
Make sure
twirlers know their hand should be directly over the head of the
twirlee,
and their hand should remain open (not gripping).
When I mentioned to one group that the twirler's hand should remain
open, a
roar of women's voices said "Yes!" and I just added, "gentlemen, the
twirlees have spoken..."
--Jerome
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> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:59:44 -0500
> From: "Barbara Groh" <barbaragroh(a)bellsouth.net>
> To: <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: [Callers] workshop ideas
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> Hey, y'all,
>
> I'm going to be facilitating a "gender-swap" w.s. at Moondance in
a few
> days. I've never been to a workshop on this topic, and I thought
I would
> solicit ideas from the group. Has anybody been to (or perhaps
led) a
> gender-swap session? Any gems you can share with me on what
worked well
> or
> what didn't?
>
> Thanks!!
> Barbara
>
> --
> Jerome Grisanti
> 660-528-0858
> [1]http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
>
> For the good are always the merry,
> Save by an evil chance,
> And the merry love the fiddle
> And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats
>
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Barbara,
The two things that are most confusing when changing genders are the chain
and the swing.
For the chain, you might review courtesy turn and also the twirl. Make sure
twirlers know their hand should be directly over the head of the twirlee,
and their hand should remain open (not gripping).
When I mentioned to one group that the twirler's hand should remain open, a
roar of women's voices said "Yes!" and I just added, "gentlemen, the
twirlees have spoken..."
--Jerome
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:59:44 -0500
> From: "Barbara Groh" <barbaragroh(a)bellsouth.net>
> To: <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: [Callers] workshop ideas
> Message-ID: <5FA24AD8CD704FACAB0B65CA47B4C4AC@Babs>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hey, y'all,
>
> I'm going to be facilitating a "gender-swap" w.s. at Moondance in a few
> days. I've never been to a workshop on this topic, and I thought I would
> solicit ideas from the group. Has anybody been to (or perhaps led) a
> gender-swap session? Any gems you can share with me on what worked well
> or
> what didn't?
>
> Thanks!!
> Barbara
>
> --
> Jerome Grisanti
> 660-528-0858
> http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
>
> For the good are always the merry,
> Save by an evil chance,
> And the merry love the fiddle
> And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats
>
Delia,
Cary Ravitz explains one way to diagram a dance on his web page:
http://ravitz.us/dance/chor.php#d
Tom Hinds includes diagrams in his book "Calling New England Squares."
There are other more graphical methods. In general, for each move in a dance
diagrams should indicate where dancers are, differentiate between men and
women, between ones and twos (or 1s, 2s, 3s, 4s, heads and sides in a
square). It's also very helpful if the diagram indicates which direction the
dancers are facing. You'll very quickly realize which moves or series of
moves are "neutral," i.e., put everyone back where they just were, facing
the same direction.
If you know Flash or some programming language, you can get really fancy, as
did Martha Edwards:
http://www.westendweb.com/doublegrandsquare/
(Actually, Cary is a programmer, but he's very aware that not all of us are,
so he keeps his web page pretty accessible).
And of course, there's always salt and pepper shakers....
--Jerome
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> Not only can I not easily visualize flow, I can't easily visualize
> how you would diagram a dance!! Can anyone scan and post one they've
> done, or recommend a website that shows one?
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Dave Colestock wrote:
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> > Hi All,
> >
> > Great suggestion Tom. Diagramming dances is the best way to see
> > the flow, especially for those who cannot easily visualize the
> > flow. Thanks for pointing out the Allemande change in Luke's dance
> > - that makes it flow much nicer.
> >
> > Dave Colestock
> > Harrisburg, PA
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> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Tom Hinds <twhinds(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
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> >
> > From: Tom Hinds <twhinds(a)earthlink.net>
> > Subject: [Callers] which hand
> > To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
> > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 10:14 PM
> >
> >
> > I'd suggest an allemande right in Luke's dance. The reason is that
> > an allemande left would tend to have the couples end their swing
> > slightly staggered. That is, they wouldn't be exactly across from
> > each other. If the women allemande right this isn't an issue. Draw
> > it out and see if that's correct.
> > Tom Hinds
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