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by Michael Fuerst

I just read the results of the CDSS caller's survey. (http://www.cdss.org/tl_files/cdss/documents/how-to/CDSS_Contra_Task_Force_s…) One of the resulting suggestions was for CDSS to set up a dance depository. Here are my thoughts on this. Considering the 1000's of contra (and other formation) dances that have written, of varying quality and difficulty, I have reservations about a single global contra database. Such a database detracts from the folk process. And who is to say which dances are worthy of placement in such a database? HOWEVER (part 1) ..... CDSS should have a depository of dances, somewhat like the one on the "Contra Dances by" section of Cary Ravitz's page http://ravitz.us/dance/ While Cary's page links to dance author's pages, the CDSS page should get copies of each author's dances, formatted however that author formatted them (e.g. .rtf, .pdf or .html), with the CDSS page containing links to these copies. Authors should be able to send an updated file to CDSS up to say 3 times a year. This will preserve the author's dances when s/he terminates his/her web site. These links could include .pdfs of out-of-proint dance book. The folk process in some sense is maintained by people having to peruse these various author pages in order to find dances. A discussion board, maybe even the current Shared Weight forum, would be the place for for callers to discuss these dances. HOWEVER (part 2) optional .... The Caller's Companion (http://callerscompanion.com/) provides a good model of how an on-line database might work. Many aspects of this program will work as a model for an on-line dance database. So in addition to the pages susuggested in HOWEVER (part 1), CDSS could also set up an on-line database and intially populate it with at most 200-300 dances, selected by CDSS staff or a committee, of various difficulties and formations. Any CDSS member, and only CDSS members, should be allowed to add a dance to this database of remove a dance s/he inserted. Dances on a page from HOWEVER (part 1) may well end up in this database. Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844 Links to photos of many of my drawings and paintings are at www.ArtComesFuerst.com

11 years, 6 months

Re: [Callers] Callers Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5 (dance depository)

by Roger Hayes

This -- collaborative editing of persistent information -- is what Wiki's were invented for. Easy to set one up on a hosting server -- free at Dreamhost if we get sponsorship from a 501(c)(3). - Roger Hayes On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM, <callers-request(a)sharedweight.net> wrote: > Send Callers mailing list submissions to > callers(a)sharedweight.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > callers-request(a)sharedweight.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > callers-owner(a)sharedweight.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Callers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fw: Creating a CDSS dance depository (Perry Shafran) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 03:51:32 -0800 (PST) > From: Perry Shafran <pshaf(a)yahoo.com> > To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Fw: Creating a CDSS dance depository > Message-ID: > <1386762692.7054.YahooMailNeo(a)web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I'm trying to figure out why having a database of dances would detract > from the folk process. ?Isn't the folk process considered the handing down > of material from person to person, generation to generation? ?And should > that not also include the way that material is handed down? ?I think that a > database of dances is extremely helpful to the evolution of the folk > process. ?When the web evolved, people put their dances on the web for all > to see, use, adapt. ?Now we have the cloud, and callers can share their > dances using a cloud-based database. ? Considering that this is what was > highly requested on the survey, I think that we need to find ways to create > this repository of dances that also respects the rights of the > choreographers who write them. ? > > Perry > > > ________________________________ > From: Delia Clark <deliaclark8(a)gmail.com> > To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Callers] Fw: Creating a CDSS dance depository > > > I agree with Andrea.? I find the annotations that folks provide on this > listserv to be the most helpful part.? If we allowed a wide range of dances > in the database, but then opened it up for commentary, sort of like Yelp or > Amazon or other user reviews, I think we'd get a lot of useful intel on > each dance. > > On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Andrea Nettleton <twirly-girl(a)bellsouth.net> > wrote: > > > Rather than limit which dances get on the database and how, why not > allow reviews of said dances.? If it had a clunky moment for one dancer, > tends to get saw toothed, or has other issues, it might get fewer stars and > an explanation.? Choreographers could choose to pull or amend a dance so > reviewed, and callers could decide for themselves whether the reviews will > apply in their situation.? The folk process works better the more > information and dances are out there, not by artificially limiting, based > on some committees personal tastes and particular filters regarding > appropriateness.? There might be some requirement that a dance needs to > have been successfully danced by at least two or three communities to > qualify or something so every person who thinks they can write doesn't post > a bunch of useless dances.? I think making it be more work for CDSS? to put > a dance up impedes the project unnecessarily.? > > I do, however, like the idea of having links to choreographers' > websites, and maybe even a caller's companion-sequel search engine, so one > could look for say, an biter mediate dance with a hey and a mad robin, and > come up with all the dances in the database which fulfill the request. > > My two cents, > > Andrea > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Dec 10, 2013, at 5:18 PM, Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> > >> I just read the results of the CDSS caller's survey.? ( > http://www.cdss.org/tl_files/cdss/documents/how-to/CDSS_Contra_Task_Force_s… > ) > >> > >> One of the resulting suggestions was for CDSS to set up a dance > depository.? ? Here are my thoughts on this. > >> > >> > >> Considering the 1000's of contra (and other formation) dances that have > written, of varying quality and difficulty, I have reservations about a > single global contra database.? Such a database detracts from the folk > process.? And who is to say which dances are worthy of placement in such a > database?? > >> > >> HOWEVER? (part 1) ..... > >> > >> CDSS should have a depository of dances, somewhat like the one on the > "Contra Dances by" section of Cary Ravitz's page http://ravitz.us/dance/ > >> While Cary's page links to dance author's pages, the CDSS page should > get copies of each author's dances, formatted however that author formatted > them (e.g. .rtf, .pdf or .html), with the CDSS page containing links to > these copies.? Authors should be able to send an updated file to CDSS up to > say 3 times a year.? This will preserve the author's dances when s/he? > terminates his/her web site.? These links could include .pdfs of > out-of-proint dance book. > >> The folk process in some sense is maintained by people having to peruse > these various author pages in order to find dances.? A discussion board, > maybe even the current Shared Weight forum, would be the place for for > callers to discuss these dances.? > >> > >> HOWEVER (part 2)? optional? .... > >> > >> The Caller's Companion (http://callerscompanion.com/)? provides a good > model of how an on-line database might work.? Many? aspects of this program > will work as a model for an on-line dance database.? So in addition to the > pages susuggested in HOWEVER (part 1), CDSS could also set up an on-line > database and intially populate it with at most 200-300 dances, selected by > CDSS staff or a committee, of various difficulties and formations.? Any > CDSS member, and only CDSS members, should be allowed to add a dance to > this database of remove a dance s/he inserted.? Dances on a page from > HOWEVER (part 1) may well end up in this database.? > >> > >> Michael Fuerst? ? ? 802 N Broadway? ? ? Urbana IL 61801? ? ? > 217-239-5844 > >> Links to photos of many of my drawings and paintings are at > www.ArtComesFuerst.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Callers mailing list > >> Callers(a)sharedweight.net > >> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > _______________________________________________ > > Callers mailing list > > Callers(a)sharedweight.net > > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > <>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<> > > Delia Clark > PO Box 45 > Taftsville, VT 05073 > 802-457-2075 > deliaclark8(a)gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)sharedweight.net > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)sharedweight.net > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > End of Callers Digest, Vol 112, Issue 5 > *************************************** >

11 years, 6 months

Favorite AABBCC contra dances?

by William Watson

Hi All, A band I'm working with on an upcoming contra dance gig has asked me if I can find a dance to fit some AABBCC tunes they have. They mentioned Real Beatrice, and suggested that a balance at the top of C1 might work very well. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, William -- wjw1961(a)gmail.com This is my bulk mail / mailing list address. William J. Watson

11 years, 6 months

Oops.. My email froze and I clked send multiple times...

by Michael Fuerst

.... inadvertently sending the previous message 5 times. Sorry!!! Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844

11 years, 6 months

RPDLW housing?

by Jack Mitchell

Hey caller types-- Any of you going to the RPDLW interested in going in together on housing and or transportation for the weekend? I'm flying in to Boston on Friday afternoon and then driving up, and then will be heading back to Cambridge to call the BIDA dance Sunday night. If so, please email me off list. Thanks! Jack

11 years, 6 months

Square dance calling in rural Ontario, as described by Alice Munro

by Richard Hopkins

The present time of Munroe's story would have been about 1945, so this is about a period maybe 20 years before, in rural Ontario. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- …. A strange desperate sort of haste…. a special facility "When my mother was growing up, she and her whole family would go to dances. These would be held in the schoolhouse, or sometimes in a farmhouse with a big enough front room. Young and old would be in attendance. Someone would play the piano – the household piano or the one in the school – and someone would have brought a violin. The square dancing had complicated patterns or steps, which a person known for a special facility would call out at the top of his voice (it was always a man) and in a strange desperate sort of haste which was of no use at all unless you knew the dance already. As everybody did, having learned them all by the time they were ten or twelve years old. " -- Opening paragraph of Voices, autobiographical story by Nobel Prize-winner Alice Munro, in her most recent book Dear Life, published 2012 by Vintage International. `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Richard Hopkins Tallahassee, FL 850-894-9212 (home) 850-544-7614 (cell) hopkinsrs(a)comcast.net

11 years, 6 months

Dance in Need of a Name

by Ben Hornstein

Greetings fellow callers, I recently wrote a dance, but can't think of a name. I'm calling it this evening, so I'm hoping something will happen that makes a funny story as to how the dance got its name. Failing that, I was wondering if any of you had any suggestions. ????? (Ben Hornstein) ccw becket wave (starts with partner in right hand, men have left hands in the middle) A1) balance wave, P allemande R 3/4 (to long waves) balance waves, circulate waves A2) balance waves, circulate waves P swing B1) circle L 3/4 zig-zag to new N B2) M see-saw M allemande L 1, P allemande R 1 Any ideas? I'm also open to thoughts about the dance itself. -Ben Hornstein

11 years, 7 months

Watch out? Re: Dance in Need of a Name

by Suzanne Girardot

Yikes, this doesn't look good. Maia, have you been hacked? -----Original Message----- >From: Maia McCormick <maia.mcc(a)gmail.com> >Sent: Nov 14, 2013 8:44 AM >To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> >Subject: Re: [Callers] Dance in Need of a Name > >http://preshing.com/20110811/xkcd-password-generator/ > > >On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Alan Winston <winston(a)slac.stanford.edu>wrote: > >> You could call the dance "Ziggy and the Waves", or "Zigsaw", or "Second >> Wave", or "Wave Goodbye". >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> -- Alan >> >> >> On Nov 9, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Ben Hornstein <bhornstein5189(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Greetings fellow callers, >> >> I recently wrote a dance, but can't think of a name. I'm calling it this >> evening, so I'm hoping something will happen that makes a funny story as to >> how the dance got its name. Failing that, I was wondering if any of you had >> any suggestions. >> >> ????? (Ben Hornstein) >> ccw becket wave (starts with partner in right hand, men have left hands in >> the middle) >> A1) balance wave, P allemande R 3/4 (to long waves) >> balance waves, circulate waves >> A2) balance waves, circulate waves >> P swing >> B1) circle L 3/4 >> zig-zag to new N >> B2) M see-saw >> M allemande L 1, P allemande R 1 >> >> Any ideas? >> I'm also open to thoughts about the dance itself. >> >> -Ben Hornstein >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)sharedweight.net >> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> Callers mailing list >>> Callers(a)sharedweight.net >>> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)sharedweight.net >> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers >> >_______________________________________________ >Callers mailing list >Callers(a)sharedweight.net >http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers

11 years, 7 months

Peel the Banana

by Ben Hornstein

Dear Callers, I'm writing a dance for 6 couples (in a rectangle, one at the top and bottom, two on each side), and I want to know if one of the moves I wrote already has a name. Bottom couple makes an arch. Top couple splits and walks around the outside of the set, each taking the side couples with them. They then go up through the arch and back to place. If this move doesn't have a proper name, I'm just going to call it "peel the banana" because I feel that's the best way to describe it. Sincerely, Ben Hornstein

11 years, 7 months

What is this dance called?

by Yoyo Zhou

Hi callers, I'd be most surprised if this dance hadn't been written already (it occurred to me because I thought I'd danced part of it somewhere, but I just found that the progression transition is like Amy Kahn's Sweet Music). Does anyone recognize it? improper A1. gents allemande left 1+1/2; P star promenade A2. ladies do si do; P swing B1. circle left 3/4; N swing B2. long lines; right hand star Thanks, Yoyo Zhou

11 years, 7 months

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