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by Lindsey Dono via Callers

Hi Callers, There are a number of dances that have significant clockwise momentum; I try to label such dances so I don't call them back to back. However, I'd like to identify a collection of dances with the *least* clockwise movement (beyond swinging in the other direction). Which moves are CCW? I realize that this depends somewhat on how the move is danced. Have you IDed any dances as particularly good to call after a very clockwise one? Thanks!Lindsey

10 years, 1 month

Text size problem

by Michael Fuerst via Callers

Two persons have lamented privately to me that my posts are reaching the group with almost unreadably small text.No where else I send email or post has reported this problem Which, if any of these lines better? 1. Garamond small 2. Garamond medium3. Garamond large 4 Modern small5 Modern Medium6 Modern wide Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844

10 years, 1 month

Rollaway sans sashay?

by Maia McCormick via Callers

Recently there was some discussion of the difference between a "rollaway with a half-sashay" and a plain ol' rollaway. Jim Saxe presented the dance Roll Away <http://contradances.blogspot.com/2012/03/roll-away.html> as an example of a contra with a rollaway without a half-sashay. Can anyone else name/post choreography for any CONTRAS (or 4-face-4s, I suppose... not looking for squares at the moment, though) that include a rollaway *without* a half-sashay? Cheers, Maia

10 years, 2 months

Important - WHY WE ARE HERE

by Seth Seeger via Callers

Hello everyone, Seth and Chris here, the lists founders and (currently) silent members. The discussions from yesterday and today have generated a lot of traffic and a lot of emotions. So I'd like to take this opportunity to remind us all why we are here. Chris and I started this list to SUPPORT each other and other callers. Please remember that when writing and responding here. Everyone should be treated with kindness. When you write an email, please consider this before you press send: If you were face to face, would you say the same thing? Does what you are writing add to the SUPPORT of the community? And finally, remember that humor and sarcasm are not easily communicated through email. Please leave sarcasm and jokes out, as the other people reading your email may not know if you are being serious or not. Thank you, Seth & Chris

10 years, 2 months

Shadow swings and the Dance Deity

by Michael Fuerst via Callers

Concerning dances with shadow swings, Chris Page has noted, "I know Carol Ormand writes and calls them." Because of her advanced scientific training, Carol is undoubtedly certified to handle hazardous material. For most of the day and evening I've been praying to the Dance Deity about the issue of shadow swings, knowing, all levity aside, that a wrong decision could end me in jail for a week or so (like a certain Kim Davis from Kentucky). At about 11pm I received a vision from the Dance Deity. Visions are of course difficult to translate into words, but I'll do my best here. According to D.D., any caller attempting a shadow swing dance should (i) meditate for an hour (or as long as needed) to get the the Deity's permission, and, if granted, (ii) get Secret Service clearance and the appropriate CDSS permit. One these two conditions are satisfied, the caller should initially teach the dance with an alternative for the shadow swing. Then, during a second walk-through, the caller should casually and emphatically mention that dancers might want to instead swing with their shadow. Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844

10 years, 2 months

shadow swings

by Dave Merrill via Callers

My only observation to add to the shadow swing melee is that while not completely closed to them, i'm cognizant of the several reasons they are a less than optimal choice. Given these drawbacks of the figure, i would not use a shadow swing in a situation with very long sets. If the choreography of the dance is so awesome i feel a need to use it, and the end effects aren't prohibitive, i'd consider running it in a situation with short sets (much as i'd use for a 1s active dance). Why? Because if anyone feels the need to escape their shadow, they can get to an end of the set and either jump out or rumble into another set sooner. I think this offers dancers the best chance to fix a potential issue without singling anyone out or creating a dynamic on the floor more awkward than the choice of a shadow swing dance (albeit an exceptional one!) already did.

10 years, 2 months

Fwd: Fw: Shadow Swing Disclaimers?

by Andrea Nettleton via Callers

> > Maia, > Did we give you what you needed? If so, could you let us know and put a stop to the thread? Callers are now more busy calling one another out for getting off topic or being inappropriate than generating new answers. > Summary of suggestions, as best I remember: > 1) don't call the dance > 2) call the dance with the disclaimer farther in advance than the teach. > 3) call the dance with a substitute choreography, not mentioning the possibility of a swing. > 4) call the dance and at that place in the dance say: with your shadow either swing or (substitute move) and end x-ly (probably traded places either facing across or with one person facing across ready to do the next move (if the substitute was an allemande 1.5)). > > While some advocated for disclaimers, many felt it is bad for the community to imply from the mic that people might be uncivil. Others objected that some might take the disclaimer as license to avoid dancers for any number of reasons, some being petty prejudices rather than a sense of real danger. Overall there were more voices against disclaimer and for offering an alternative movement should you feel this was the right dance for the moment. > > Correct me if I'm wrong. Could we leave this alone unless someone has a truly new idea for Maia? > > Thanks, > Andrea > > Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask > >>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Aahz Maruch via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 08, 2015, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:53 PM, Luke Donforth <luke.donev(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Asking about how to appropriately do dances with shadow swings seems >>>>> like asking how men can appropriately grope women during a dance. >>>> >>>> I again think your attempt to inject levity into a conversation have >>>> come across as crass and inappropriate. Asking about shadow swings >>>> on a list for calling is pertinent; joking about men groping women >>>> dancers isn't. >>> >>> Your assessment is inaccurate. This is not a matter where levity is >>> acceptable. Creating a situation which could force someone into close, >>> almost intimate proximity with a person perceived as emotionally or >>> physically threatening is inappropriate. A lesser problem is that one >>> can get a shadow who one considers personable, but very unpleasant >>> for swinging (for example, due to either height difference, or a body >>> position or weight distribution which unnecessarily strains one's own >>> body). >> >> Well, I share Luke's assessment. The phrasing you used to compare shadow >> swings and groping implies either levity or a disregard of the difference >> between groping and a shadow swing. Regardless of the seriousness with >> which you view "forcing" a shadow swing, it is clear that many other >> people disagree, and your comparison is not appropriate, especially given >> Maia's original request to AVOID any discussion of whether shadow swings >> are appropriate. >> -- >> Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ >> <*> <*> <*> >> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

10 years, 2 months

Re: [Callers] shadow swings

by April Blum via Callers

I love Robert Cromartie's "Illegal in Most States" and whenever I call it at least one person comes up afterwards to say it was a wonderful dance. April Blum On Sep 9, 2015 6:34 PM, Chris Page via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > And yet, they're done. I know Carol Ormand writes and calls them. This Saturday at the contra weekend I attended, a national caller called "Head of the Bed." > > Yes, we've heard your opinion. Avoiding shadow swings be perfect for you, but it may not be for others. And I'd like to hear from the others, rather than having you (or someone else) try and shut down the conversation by repeatedly making absolute statements. > > There is more than one correct point of view. > > (Personally I almost never** use shadow swings, so I don't have much to contribute to this particular conversation. But I enjoy listening to others.) > > > -Chris Page > San Diego > > ** And yet I'm guilty of having written one, and called it at NEFFA. I've got my own hypocrisy. > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Chris: The indicates that someone in 2008 (Dave Eisenstadter) other than the composer (Nils Fredland) not call this dance written in 2003. >> Everyone has become more aware since then. >> One wonders if Nils still calls this dance >> >> Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844 >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 4:38 PM, Chris Page <chriscpage(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Sigh. See "Head of the Bed", written by Nils Fredland. >> >> http://www.library.unh.edu/special/forms/rpdlw/syllabus2008.pdf#page=49b >> >> -Chris Page >> San Diego >> >

10 years, 2 months

Creating a safe dance space (was Shadow Swing Disclaimers)

by Ron Blechner via Callers

Erik, I'm alarmed at reading your reply in the shadow swing thread. I have seen, as a dancer, caller, and organizer, at a variety of dances, far too many incidents of inappropriate behavior. I refuse to simply wash my hands and say "oh, it's not the caller's place to worry about this." A caller is the MC, the coordinator, and often from the stage we can see everything happening in the room. It absolutely is our paid job to help create a safe dance space. I want to focus on what seems to be the crux of your statement from the shadow swing email: " that interpersonal conflicts will happen, and yet social interactions are required. They understand how to make everyone work together. Family schisms are inevitable." How many "conflicts" does it take before we take responsibility and address inappropriate behavior at a dance? I have seen many occasions where *one* conflict means a dancer who is new never returns, or an experienced dancer never returns, or they wind up having to spend every night avoiding *that creepy dude*. I know first hand what having a *single* bad experience can mean for a dancer. So if we leave these as "inevitable", then the people we lose aren't the people doing the inappropriate behavior - no, those jerks stay, stubbornly - we lose the nicer people who were victimized, harassed, made uncomfortable. Is that the kind of dance environment you want to promote? I don't believe so. Instead, asking questions, as Maia did, about things a caller can do to create a safe dance space, is essential to long term community building. This doesn't mean we are "dance police" or do anything extraordinary. But it does mean that we should be considerate to dancers and not write off their bad experiences as things that they need to merely tolerate and "be an adult" as you put it. Sincerely, Ron Blechner

10 years, 2 months

Amy dances

by Andrea Nettleton via Callers

Hi friends, I'm calling at my home dance this weekend, and my good friend Amy let me know it's her birthday. I want to call some dances with Amy in the title to honor her. Could you please share any Amy titled dances with me? Include instructions if you have them, so I don't have to hunt around. Amy and I thank you, Andrea N. Atlanta Sent from my iPad

10 years, 2 months

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