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by Tracy Wilkins via Callers

I didn't sense any judgement in the original proposition. Nor would I imagine it would even be practical to do so. If the goal is to collect as many dances as possible, then I would expect all dances (with the appropriate permissions, etc.) would be entered. Even if a dance isn't great, per se, it IS subjective. Additionally, there could be some merit in 'not good' dances as either teaching tools, or as springboards and inspiration for future dances. Tracy. _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

11 years, 4 months

Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

by tallygal007 via Callers

Are you familiar with Will Loving's software? Www.callerscompanion.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Dugan Murphy via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> </div><div>Date:07/28/2014 1:51 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net,callers-request@lists.sharedweight.net </div><div>Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant dance database? </div><div> </div>Hi Maia, It sounds like what you're talking about is a more complex version of Michael Dyck's Contradance Index: http://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/index/. So a publicly accessible database already exists, but it is only searchable by title or author (not by figure or figure combination) and there is actually no dance choreography in it (all search results are references to where the dance is published elsewhere, either in print on online). Dugan Murphy Skowhegan, Maine On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:30 PM, via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: Send Callers mailing list submissions to callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to callers-request(a)lists.sharedweight.net You can reach the person managing the list at callers-owner(a)lists.sharedweight.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Callers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Giant dance database? (Maia McCormick via Callers) 2. Re: Giant dance database? (Jeff Kaufman via Callers) 3. Re: Giant dance database? (Aaron Redfern via Callers) 4. Re: Giant dance database? (Chris Page via Callers) 5. Re: Giant dance database? (Dave C via Callers) 6. Re: Giant dance database? (Luke Donforth via Callers) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:46:22 -0400 From: Maia McCormick via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net> Subject: [Callers] Giant dance database? Message-ID: <CAHUcZGPnOw-jPZ0J0YuXJg-uqXm2+Vj--ZC8OxSiT1qw-NAQLQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi all, I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming projects, and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database, where you can filter by move combination, etc. My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or does it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or shortchanging dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would be included without the author's permission, but it may be that making a huge ton of dances freely available and searchable in one place online would be a death blow to published books of dances, or have some other negative effect I'm not foreseeing right now...) Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project? Cheers, Maia _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

11 years, 4 months

Fwd: Giant dance database?

by Mark Jones via Callers

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Jones <markjones(a)busybusy.org> Date: Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant dance database? To: Maia McCormick <maia.mcc(a)gmail.com> This is a GIANT project. People associated with CDSS have had thoughts of undertaking such a database. Nils Fredland had initiated a start to the idea about four or five years ago, but it is not clear if it has a prime mover right now. Copyright: In the US, "social dance steps" are not considered copyrightable, but the concept has not been tested in court. This idea that "social dance steps" are not copyrightable is a part of the legislative history of the 1980 US copyright revision, but NOT a part of the actual statute. Any dance published in the US before the copyright law change in 1980 is in the public domain absolutely, as no dance IN THE US was copyrightable, unless "an integral part of a (copyrightable) play". I predict the law will be settled after some exercise class instructor successfully (or fails to) successfully win a suit against someone for copying their "social dance steps" outside of class. It seems to me the ony population that desires to restrict the use of social dance steps instruction would be exercise instructors, and yoga instructors, and the like that have an investment in maintaining the secrecy of their choreography, since they have paying population attending for their secret "social dance steps". Copyright laws in all other countries are unique to that country, and typically much stricter and more favorable to the composer / choreographer, for social dance. Issues for the database and searching include that one must create a canonical form of all of the entered dances, since nearly every contra dance move is capable of being described in more than one way, hence a disaster for searching and parsing moves in a collective way. I can speak from experience about creating a cannonical version of a dance, as a co-collaborator of Larry Jennings's compilation, "Give and Take" [1], that it takes a lot of effort to make the dances uniform, so that they can be properly searched, and that was done for the dances collected in his book, some times to the consternation of the authors that permitted their dance to be collected and published in the book. The conclusion others have come to for such a project, in terms of cannonical searchable versions, is to have the original dance text married to a cannonical "uniformized" version that may be searchable in comparison to other dances. [1] http://www.neffa.org/give_and_take.html ~Mark Jones On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Maia McCormick via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming projects, > and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database, where you can > filter by move combination, etc. > > My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or does > it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or shortchanging > dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would be included > without the author's permission, but it may be that making a huge ton of > dances freely available and searchable in one place online would be a death > blow to published books of dances, or have some other negative effect I'm > not foreseeing right now...) > > Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project? > > Cheers, > Maia > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

11 years, 4 months

Re: [Callers] Giant dance database?

by Dugan Murphy via Callers

Hi Maia, It sounds like what you're talking about is a more complex version of Michael Dyck's Contradance Index: http://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/index/. So a publicly accessible database already exists, but it is only searchable by title or author (not by figure or figure combination) and there is actually no dance choreography in it (all search results are references to where the dance is published elsewhere, either in print on online). Dugan Murphy Skowhegan, Maine On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:30 PM, via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > wrote: > Send Callers mailing list submissions to > callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > callers-request(a)lists.sharedweight.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > callers-owner(a)lists.sharedweight.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Callers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Giant dance database? (Maia McCormick via Callers) > 2. Re: Giant dance database? (Jeff Kaufman via Callers) > 3. Re: Giant dance database? (Aaron Redfern via Callers) > 4. Re: Giant dance database? (Chris Page via Callers) > 5. Re: Giant dance database? (Dave C via Callers) > 6. Re: Giant dance database? (Luke Donforth via Callers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:46:22 -0400 > From: Maia McCormick via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> > To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Subject: [Callers] Giant dance database? > Message-ID: > < > CAHUcZGPnOw-jPZ0J0YuXJg-uqXm2+Vj--ZC8OxSiT1qw-NAQLQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi all, > > I'm currently in programming school casting about for programming projects, > and I had the idea of a giant searchable contradance database, where you > can filter by move combination, etc. > > My question: is this something people would be interested in having? Or > does it run the risk of infringing on intellectual property, or > shortchanging dance writers on book sales, etc.? (Obviously no dances would > be included without the author's permission, but it may be that making a > huge ton of dances freely available and searchable in one place online > would be a death blow to published books of dances, or have some other > negative effect I'm not foreseeing right now...) > > Anyway: does anyone have any thoughts on this project? > > Cheers, > Maia > _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

11 years, 4 months

Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

by tallygal007 via Callers

Improper A1: circle L 1.0; N swing A2: DTH, #2 lady right hand high, left hand low, so #1 man ducks under arch and men swap sides and lady twists around; return B1: P B&S B2: Bal ring, pet; Bal ring, CA twrill. It's an easy dance but with a twist, literally! Thanks, Vicki Herndon, for sharing. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

11 years, 4 months

Awkward transition into contra corners

by Gary Shapiro via Callers

In another thread the awkward transition for the women from the arm-around assisted cast to the right-hand turn was pointed out. In ECD, we would do an unassisted cast in such a situation. Why not undo a little bit of the folk process and go back to that? _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

11 years, 4 months

Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

by via Callers

Melanie Axel-Lute's "Pam's Four" does use the sequence (Lady 2 does a RH high LH low WHILE Lady 1 simply turns in place). Pam's Four Melanie Axel-Lute A1 Down hall, 2s in cntr, Lady 2 RH hi LH lo – Lady 1 trn alone – up the hall A2 Partner is with you B/S long swing, end face across B1 Ladies Chain (8) Bal ring (4) Petr once (4) B2 Bal ring (4), Petr to New N New N swing and ....down the hall Note that the Petronella goes across the B1/2 break April Blum In a message dated 7/23/2014 5:04:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net writes: _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

11 years, 4 months

Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance!

by tallygal007 via Callers

Hi. Yes, that's my question--I don't know it's name. My friend who called this dance the other night and posted to FB only knows it's by Robert Cromertie so I thought I'd ask you guys. Yes, #1 lady on the outside turns alone, #2 lady and #2 gent raise hands, #1 gent ducks through, lady twists around and now everyone is next to their P to return to place for the B&S in B1. I could have written it better. I never heard the term "Dixie twirl" so even without the name of the dance I have a name for the figure. Thank you all! Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Keith Tuxhorn via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> </div><div>Date:07/23/2014 2:06 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Dave Casserly <david.j.casserly(a)gmail.com> </div><div>Cc: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net </div><div>Subject: Re: [Callers] Name this Robert Cromertie dance! </div><div> </div>First of all, do you know the name of this dance? That's what the original Q was. I researched the R Cromartie dances I could find, and this is none of them. And I've now figured out the bad wording in A2 and understand the dance. A2 Down the hall; W2 Dixie twirls the two M, while W1 lets go and turns alone; come back up "Lady twists around" is not a clear direction. Keith On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Dave Casserly <david.j.casserly(a)gmail.com> wrote: Ahh, I see: it's the A1/A2 where there's confusion. It's the second lady who does the right hand high, left hand low. So, after that move, she is facing up the set, with her neighbor in her left hand, and her partner in her right hand. The first lady is on the left end of the set, facing up. So the balance and swing is on the side of the set, not in the middle. The gents do NOT stay in the same place after the down the hall; they switch places with each other when coming up. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Keith Tuxhorn <keithlmt(a)gmail.com> wrote: A1/A2... I'm on the outside, holding my N's R hand... With the Dixie twirl, I'm still in that spot. When we bend the line, my P and I are above the 2s, in reversed position. B1: All are swinging in the center of the set. When the swing finishes, all are back to IMP position where they started. B2: With one petronella, I move to the side with my P. When I CA twirl, I'm turning with a N to progress. In B1, if the M cross to their P and swing, then you progress the wrong way. Is the instruction left out in B1 "W cross to P"... ? Keith On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Dave Casserly <david.j.casserly(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi Keith, The dance works fine-- I'm not sure where the confusion is. Partner swing is on the side of the set, so one petronella means you're facing up and down the set, next to your partner. A CA twirl then makes you progress. 1s and 2s are indeed across from each other when they swing, which is almost always true when you swing your partner, and when 1s and 2s are across from each other, you're on the same side of the set with your partner. In other words: "1s and 2s are across from each other to swing, and when they finish." Yes. "A petronella would put your partner on the same side . . ." No. -Dave On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Keith Tuxhorn via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: This dance doesn't work the way I read it. 1s and 2s are across from each other to swing, and when they finish. A petronella would put your partner on the same side; a CA twirl would then send you and your P in opposite directions. Keith Tuxhorn Austin TX -- David Casserly (cell) 781 258-2761 -- David Casserly (cell) 781 258-2761 _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

11 years, 4 months

does this dance already exist?

by Tepfer, Seth via Callers

Does this dance already exist? I made it up on the spot, but I'd be shocked if it didn't already exist. If no one claims it, I'm calling it last minute contra, unless there is already a dance by that name. duple minor, improper: A1: (8) Circle Left; (8) Left hand Star A2: (8) Partner DSD; (8) Neighbor DSD B1: (16) Neighbor balance and swing B2: (8) Long lines; (8)1s swing _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

11 years, 4 months

California- looking for Lost Coast dances, Humboldt county?

by Alison Murphy via Callers

Hi y'all, Does anyone know of ongoing contras on the North coast? Arcata/Eureka? The closest things I've found are 3 hours away in Oregon in and Ukiah, and I don't have a car pool. Anyone? Please contact me off-list if you are between NorHum and the Oregon or Ukiah dances, and are interested in trying to set up a car pool. I was active on this list at one time as a newbie caller in Memphis. After moving a few times and a couple more children born, I just don't have enough free time to continue that hobby, but sadly, there is no local contra dance here that I've been able to find. Gmail quit sorting my callers mail into a separate folder for some unknown reason, or I'd never have thought to bother this list with the question. The barn dances I've attended in Arcata are packed with non/newbie dancers, beer is sold, and there is no teaching, not even the names of standard moves taught in many cases, LONG walk-thrus repeated 2x but hardly any actual calling, often no room for a do si-do (much less spinning) because the lines are so full. Squares and traditional dances with long inactive periods. Our Folklife society is very active but I am just an outsider who is critical of the way things are and who doesn't have time to call- I can tell you if I came into some money I'd be trying to organize a contra weekend up here. I gave some contra cards to my favorite local caller but she hasn't done aught with them yet, and that doesn't address the problems of packed dance halls, tipsy college kids who don't know how to share weight, and no teaching. ~Alison Murphy crunchy.mama.murphy(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

11 years, 4 months

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