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by Andrea Nettleton via Callers

> > Maia, > Did we give you what you needed? If so, could you let us know and put a stop to the thread? Callers are now more busy calling one another out for getting off topic or being inappropriate than generating new answers. > Summary of suggestions, as best I remember: > 1) don't call the dance > 2) call the dance with the disclaimer farther in advance than the teach. > 3) call the dance with a substitute choreography, not mentioning the possibility of a swing. > 4) call the dance and at that place in the dance say: with your shadow either swing or (substitute move) and end x-ly (probably traded places either facing across or with one person facing across ready to do the next move (if the substitute was an allemande 1.5)). > > While some advocated for disclaimers, many felt it is bad for the community to imply from the mic that people might be uncivil. Others objected that some might take the disclaimer as license to avoid dancers for any number of reasons, some being petty prejudices rather than a sense of real danger. Overall there were more voices against disclaimer and for offering an alternative movement should you feel this was the right dance for the moment. > > Correct me if I'm wrong. Could we leave this alone unless someone has a truly new idea for Maia? > > Thanks, > Andrea > > Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask > >>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Aahz Maruch via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 08, 2015, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:53 PM, Luke Donforth <luke.donev(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Asking about how to appropriately do dances with shadow swings seems >>>>> like asking how men can appropriately grope women during a dance. >>>> >>>> I again think your attempt to inject levity into a conversation have >>>> come across as crass and inappropriate. Asking about shadow swings >>>> on a list for calling is pertinent; joking about men groping women >>>> dancers isn't. >>> >>> Your assessment is inaccurate. This is not a matter where levity is >>> acceptable. Creating a situation which could force someone into close, >>> almost intimate proximity with a person perceived as emotionally or >>> physically threatening is inappropriate. A lesser problem is that one >>> can get a shadow who one considers personable, but very unpleasant >>> for swinging (for example, due to either height difference, or a body >>> position or weight distribution which unnecessarily strains one's own >>> body). >> >> Well, I share Luke's assessment. The phrasing you used to compare shadow >> swings and groping implies either levity or a disregard of the difference >> between groping and a shadow swing. Regardless of the seriousness with >> which you view "forcing" a shadow swing, it is clear that many other >> people disagree, and your comparison is not appropriate, especially given >> Maia's original request to AVOID any discussion of whether shadow swings >> are appropriate. >> -- >> Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ >> <*> <*> <*> >> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

9 years, 8 months

Re: [Callers] shadow swings

by April Blum via Callers

I love Robert Cromartie's "Illegal in Most States" and whenever I call it at least one person comes up afterwards to say it was a wonderful dance. April Blum On Sep 9, 2015 6:34 PM, Chris Page via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > And yet, they're done. I know Carol Ormand writes and calls them. This Saturday at the contra weekend I attended, a national caller called "Head of the Bed." > > Yes, we've heard your opinion. Avoiding shadow swings be perfect for you, but it may not be for others. And I'd like to hear from the others, rather than having you (or someone else) try and shut down the conversation by repeatedly making absolute statements. > > There is more than one correct point of view. > > (Personally I almost never** use shadow swings, so I don't have much to contribute to this particular conversation. But I enjoy listening to others.) > > > -Chris Page > San Diego > > ** And yet I'm guilty of having written one, and called it at NEFFA. I've got my own hypocrisy. > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Chris: The indicates that someone in 2008 (Dave Eisenstadter) other than the composer (Nils Fredland) not call this dance written in 2003. >> Everyone has become more aware since then. >> One wonders if Nils still calls this dance >> >> Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844 >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 4:38 PM, Chris Page <chriscpage(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Sigh. See "Head of the Bed", written by Nils Fredland. >> >> http://www.library.unh.edu/special/forms/rpdlw/syllabus2008.pdf#page=49b >> >> -Chris Page >> San Diego >> >

9 years, 8 months

Creating a safe dance space (was Shadow Swing Disclaimers)

by Ron Blechner via Callers

Erik, I'm alarmed at reading your reply in the shadow swing thread. I have seen, as a dancer, caller, and organizer, at a variety of dances, far too many incidents of inappropriate behavior. I refuse to simply wash my hands and say "oh, it's not the caller's place to worry about this." A caller is the MC, the coordinator, and often from the stage we can see everything happening in the room. It absolutely is our paid job to help create a safe dance space. I want to focus on what seems to be the crux of your statement from the shadow swing email: " that interpersonal conflicts will happen, and yet social interactions are required. They understand how to make everyone work together. Family schisms are inevitable." How many "conflicts" does it take before we take responsibility and address inappropriate behavior at a dance? I have seen many occasions where *one* conflict means a dancer who is new never returns, or an experienced dancer never returns, or they wind up having to spend every night avoiding *that creepy dude*. I know first hand what having a *single* bad experience can mean for a dancer. So if we leave these as "inevitable", then the people we lose aren't the people doing the inappropriate behavior - no, those jerks stay, stubbornly - we lose the nicer people who were victimized, harassed, made uncomfortable. Is that the kind of dance environment you want to promote? I don't believe so. Instead, asking questions, as Maia did, about things a caller can do to create a safe dance space, is essential to long term community building. This doesn't mean we are "dance police" or do anything extraordinary. But it does mean that we should be considerate to dancers and not write off their bad experiences as things that they need to merely tolerate and "be an adult" as you put it. Sincerely, Ron Blechner

9 years, 8 months

Amy dances

by Andrea Nettleton via Callers

Hi friends, I'm calling at my home dance this weekend, and my good friend Amy let me know it's her birthday. I want to call some dances with Amy in the title to honor her. Could you please share any Amy titled dances with me? Include instructions if you have them, so I don't have to hunt around. Amy and I thank you, Andrea N. Atlanta Sent from my iPad

9 years, 8 months

Re: [Callers] back, with a free choreography idea

by John Sweeney via Callers

Dave talked about, "Long lines balance and spin to the right within your line." There are already some dances with this: The Balanced Diet by Sue Rosen The Slithy Dance by John Sweeney http://www.contrafusion.co.uk/Dances/SlithyDance.html Happy dancing, John John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent

9 years, 8 months

back, with a free choreography idea

by Dave Merrill via Callers

Hey fellow members, i unsubscribed a while ago as i was working an online job that required ridiculous amounts of reading, so i burned out on keeping up with threads, but i'm back and looking forward to be part of the SW community. Meanwhile, amid composing a dance, i had an idea for a new (progressive! no pun intended) figure. Consider it the hybrid offspring of Moneymusk balances in non-wavy lines, and Petronella spins to the right. What do you get? Long lines balance and spin to the right within your line. I don't have a use for it in anything currently under construction, so thought i'd put it out there for y'all choreographers to play with if you so choose. If you do compose something with it, i'd love to see the result!

9 years, 8 months

Font choices

by Kalia Kliban via Callers

Hi Michael You may not be aware of how minuscule the font you've chosen for your email comes out at the email receiver's end, but it's close to unreadably tiny, as well as being a low-x-height, lightweight serif font in the first place. If you have any control over your outgoing font size, goosing it up a few points would be a kindness. Kalia

9 years, 8 months

Contra etiquette for the guys

by Michael Fuerst via Callers

9 years, 8 months

Re: [Callers] Shadow Swing Disclaimers?

by Jane Ewing via Callers

Maia - I have checked and the dance is in Carol's book "The Lizard Research Institute" which should be available thru CDSS. Anyway to quote Carol out of the book/"Because this dance has more satisfying interactions with one's shadow than with one's partner//, I have dancers line up in Becket formation, roll away with a half sashay and swing the one they meet, and take hands f//our from there ( with//a couple out at the top of the set ). I then explain that the person they asked to dance is now their shadow, the one they swung is their partner, and I tell them why. Inevitable, some dancers are not listening when I explain this, even if I repeat it a few times;try it at your own risk. /I have danced and called this dance and enjoyed it. This may not solve your dilemma but rather just moved it. Just a suggestion. Jane Ewing Grant, AL

9 years, 8 months

Contra- roll differences?

by Claire Takemori via Callers

In Contra dancing, what is the difference between "Roll your ___ Across/along" and "Roll away with a half sashay"? What are your favorite words to teach this move? thanks!! claire takemori (Bay Area, CA)

9 years, 8 months

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