Re: First composition! Has it been written?
by Richard Hopkins
A small request for choreographers: I really like dancing Petronella (the dance) (and its close relatives) to its own tunes (either Petronella or Green Mountain Petronella). The A part of the tune goes with the sequence of four balance-and-spin moves, and some of us really like dancing the eponymous turns to the ‘right’ part of the tune. When I am calling a dance like Salmonella Evening, with a series of Petronella turns in the B part, and when I can get the band to play the Petronella tune(…
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Sign me, “Old Fogey”.
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Re: One liners for callers
by Richard Hart
Yes, thank you for the spelling correction. My French background sometimes complicates my dance spelling!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 4, 2020, at 10:35 AM, John Sweeney via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
> I am pretty sure that it is not "a la main". The term Allemande has been used as a dance figure for many centuries. Like Dosido and Swing it has many meanings. See https://www.regencydances.org/paper001.php.
>
> …
[View More] The current use of it to mean a simple hand turn is referenced in the last paragraph of point 4 in that article.
>
> I believe that "a la main" arose from people who heard the term and had never seen it written.
>
> Petronella (just before the spin): You should be looking at someone's left ear.
> Allemande: It's dancing, nor arm-wrestling; if your hand gets closer to you then you lose.
> For callers who use words like "Men" and "Ladies", but want to reassure people that they can dance in either role: It's just a role, nothing to do with your plumbing!
>
> :-)
>
> Happy dancing,
> John
>
> John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
> http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
> http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
> http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Hart via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> Sent: 04 March 2020 14:03
> To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: [Callers] One liners for callers
>
> I sometimes hear callers use quick one liners to make dancers smile, to keep their attention, and to help them remember a move. Here’s a couple I have heard and use during walkthroughs sometimes.
>
> 1. For a petronella turn:
>
> “Take hands in a ring.
> Balance the ring.
> Look at the person in your right hand.
> They don’t know you are looking at them because they are looking at someone else.
> You will be standing exactly where they are...... “
>
> 2. For an a la main left:
>
> “Raise your left hand as if you were going to do an a la main left.
> Now do an a la main left.....”
>
> What other similar one liners do others use - if any?
>
> Rich Hart.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Contra Callers Digest, Vol 70, Issue 2
by Seth Seeger
Hi Linda,
Thank you for sending along this example. It’s very useful. I will see what can be done about it.
Seth
> On Mar 4, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Linda Thomas via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> I'm getting weird formatting on all of the posts here - coding, extra characters like "=20", "=D" etc. Anybody know how to fix this?
>
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Re: Contra Callers Digest, Vol 70, Issue 2
by Linda Thomas
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four (Katherine Kitching)
2. Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four (Jeff Kaufman)
3. Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four (Jeff Kaufman)
4. Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four (Martha Wild)
5. First composition! Has it been written? (Chet Gray)
6. Re: First composition! Has it been written? (Gregory Frock)
7. Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four (Becky Liddle)
8. Re: First composition! Has it been written? (Chet Gray)
9. Re: First composition! Has it been written? (Chet Gray)
10. Re: First composition! Has it been written? (Erik Hoffman)
11. Re: First composition! Has it been written? (Hal Bronk)
12. Re: First composition! Has it been written? (Jeff Kaufman)
13. Re: First composition! Has it been written? (John Sweeney)
14. Re: First composition! Has it been written? (Chet Gray)
15. Re: First composition! Has it been written? (Chet Gray)
16. Re: First composition! Has it been written? (Chet Gray)
17. Re: First composition! Has it been written? (John Sweeney)
18. Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four (Read Weaver)
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 09:13:41 -0400
From: Katherine Kitching <kat(a)outdooractive.ca>
Subject: [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
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Subject: Re: [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:23:10 -0400
From: Katherine Kitching <kat(a)outdooractive.ca>
To: contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
Hi all, wanted to thank everyone for all the super varied/interesting=20
and helpful feedback and suggestions!
I also wanted to report that my first Hey went very well on Saturday nigh=
t.
What I ended up doing was creating 2 "practice lines" in the centre of=20
our big teaching circle (I always teach new figures in a big circle) -=20
which each had 3 people set up in a line with generous space between,=20
and first=C2=A0 I walked through one of those lines myself starting first=
=20
from the middle, to demo how the Raven would proceed, and then from one=20
end to show how the Lark would proceed -- both to 16 counts -- showing=20
how I passed the person in the middle by the right shoulder and the=20
people on the ends by the left shoulder, and explaining how in reality=20
everyone is moving so there won't actually be a person to walk around at=20
the ends, but looping around that stationary person in the practice line=20
gives you a feel for how to do the figure.
Then I brought in a fourth person into the practice line and actually=20
got everyone to move at once, to demo how the Hey works (which blew the=20
new people's minds, they were laughing at how complicated it looked=20
compared to when 3 of the four people had been standing still)
Then I offered those who had never done a hey before the chance to try=20
it with the other 3 ppl being stationary, encouraging Ravens to try from=20
the middle and Larks to try from an end, to simulate what they'd be=20
experiencing in the dance...
So that was neat, cause those who wanted to try got to try, and those=20
who are visual learners and felt that they got the concept just from my=20
demo, along with those who have already done a hey before, didn't have=20
to do it....=C2=A0 - and having two practice lines sped things up and too=
k=20
attention off everyone just watching one person (I may actually do 3=20
practice lines in the future!)
Then when everyone got into their contra lines and we got to the Hey=20
part in the walk through (after a Raven's chain)=C2=A0 I used the patter =
that=20
you all gave feedback on for a couple of walkthroughs... (but also=20
emphasized that you could mess up the weaving all you wanted to, and it=20
didn't matter as long as you got back to your partner for a bal and=20
swing at the end of the 16 counts - that was probably the most helpful=20
thing for people to grasp).
It looked a bit rough during the walkthroughs but everyone indeed made=20
it back "home" on time for the swing, and then as the dance progressed=20
everyone nailed it eventually.
During the dance I used parts of the patter sometimes, but by the end=20
just said "into the Hey!" and it was all good.
I enjoy that patter though - like I said our previous caller did it and=20
it has a nice feel to it.=C2=A0 I got confirmation from our old caller th=
at=20
he did the patter concurrently with each sub-figure of they hey, rather=20
than preceding them.
We do do a lot of talking at our dances, with so many beginners each=20
time we basically never stop calling (or maybe we let people muddle=20
through without calls for the very last time through some dances - but I=20
assure you, many people falter without the instruction!) -- anyhow I=20
think our group is pretty used to dancing with lots of verbiage=20
accompanying the music, for better or for worse :)
- thanks again!!
Learned a lot from all you wrote, and I may try Diane's approach below=20
in the future!!
Also loved the idea that just came in this morning to say "pass right=20
with nobody" at the ends, to give an idea of how to walk that final loop.=
..
Kat in Halifax
Diane Silver via Contra Callers wrote on 2/28/2020 3:15 PM:
> Like Erik, I emphasize the loop-around as a critical part of the=20
> move.=C2=A0 Presuming the preceding move is an 8-count move and there's=
no=20
> short 4-count move that needs to be called, I use the entire preceding=20
> 8 beats to prompt the start of the hey before it needs to happen.=C2=A0=
I=20
> call the general move "Hey for four" and also pre-call the descriptive=20
> details for how it starts. (I teach the hey emphasizing that as the=20
> Robins start passing right, the Larks' first move is to slide over=20
> into the right-hand position, and then they'll follow the Robin=20
> through the weaving (and of course, vice-versa if it's a left-shoulder=20
> hey)). Then I continue to pre-call each piece of the hey while the=20
> preceding piece is taking place, in 4-count chunks.=C2=A0 Feels like pa=
tter=20
> calling because there's no stopping:
>
> /CAPital letters indicate calling on the downbeat, with emphasis.=20
> lower-case calls are like pick-up notes for the following downbeat://
> /
>
>
> Starting the call way back on beat 9 of the preceding part does not=20
> seem to be a problem for the dancers.=C2=A0 They finish the move they'r=
e=20
> doing (often swinging) and the extra thinking time helps them end that=20
> move and face across to start the hey on time.=C2=A0 I've never had any=
one=20
> start the hey early because the beginning of the call came so early.
>
> -- Diane
>
> On 2/28/2020 1:30 PM, Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers wrote:
>>
>> One of the problems with calling heys and this type of timing is the=20
>> **WHILE** problem:
>>
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 While a pair is passing in the middle, someone is looping=
at the=20
>> end=E2=80=94a sort of =E2=80=9Cghost=E2=80=9D pass. New dancers often =
abruptly about-face=20
>> actually cutting off the path of the next person they=E2=80=99re suppo=
sed to=20
>> pass, and often try to pass with the =E2=80=9Cother=E2=80=9D shoulder.
>>
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 Here=E2=80=99s the Robins (we=E2=80=99ve switched) as the=
Larks:
>>
>> Robins=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 WHILE=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 Larks
>>
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Robins pass Right=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks Loop Left (often=20
>> replaced by a =E2=80=9Cpause=E2=80=9D)
>>
>> Robins pass Larks by Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Larks pass Robins by Left
>>
>> Robins Loop Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Larks pass Right
>>
>> Robins pass Larks by Left =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 L=
arks pass Robins by left
>>
>> Robins pass Right=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks Loop L=
eft
>>
>> Robins pass Larks by Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Larks pass Robins by left
>>
>> Robins Loop Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Larks pass by Right
>>
>> Again, it=E2=80=99s that X Passes while Y Loops that often leads to pr=
oblems.=20
>> Thus, if the teaching didn=E2=80=99t click, when I notice this problem=
as I=20
>> watch the problems dancers have I might start calling to those=20
>> dancers who are doing the =E2=80=9Cabout-face=E2=80=9D and call =E2=80=
=9CLoop to the Left (or=20
>> right) to pass Left (right) Again.=E2=80=9D
>>
>> Erik Hoffman
>>
>> *From:* Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers=20
>> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 6:50 AM
>> *To:* Katherine Kitching <kat.kitching(a)gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
>> *Subject:* [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
>>
>> I don't think there's anything special about they hey: always cue=20
>> things so that they start on the beat after you finish speaking.
>>
>> You might find "ravens left" etc works better than "ravens pass=20
>> left", being shorter.=C2=A0 Otherwise it's hard to get all the words o=
ut.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:06 AM Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers=20
>> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net=20
>> <mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> hello - first time posting to this list so i'm sorry if I do it
>> wrong (looked in archives and couldn't see obvious answer)
>>
>> =C2=A0I am going to teach and call my first dance with a hey this
>> Saturday.. (ie tomorrow)
>>
>> our group takes things slow so i'd like to cue every interaction
>> for the first few times, as our previous caller did.... I don't
>> know how common this is but our previous caller would actually say=
--
>>
>> =C2=A0ravens pass right
>>
>> neighbours pass left
>>
>> larks pass right
>>
>> partners left
>>
>> ravens pass right
>>
>> neighbours pass left
>>
>> larks pass right
>>
>> =C2=A0partner balance and swing
>>
>> I'm wondering if someone can clarify for me about delivering the
>> calls for this hey....normally of course I deliver instructions
>> so the last bit of instruction ends on the beat prior to the
>> figure starting.
>>
>> But in the case of the Hey, if I remember correctly the caller
>> actually called out=C2=A0 the actions *as* they were happening....
>>
>> Am I remembering correctly and if so is this the best approach?
>>
>> In essence-- do I start by calling "ravens pass right" _just
>> before_ they do it, or _while_ they are doing it?
>>
>> thanks muchly :)
>>
>> Katherine Kitching in Hfx NS Canada
>>
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Hi all, wanted to=20
thank everyone for all the super varied/interesting and helpful feedback
and suggestions!<br>
<br>
I also wanted to report that my first Hey went very well on Saturday=20
night.<br>
<br>
What I ended up doing was creating 2 "practice lines" in the centre of=20
our big teaching circle (I always teach new figures in a big circle) -=20
which each had 3 people set up in a line with generous space between,=20
and first=C2=A0 I walked through one of those lines myself starting first=
=20
from the middle, to demo how the Raven would proceed, and then from one=20
end to show how the Lark would proceed -- both to 16 counts -- showing=20
how I passed the person in the middle by the right shoulder and the=20
people on the ends by the left shoulder, and explaining how in reality=20
everyone is moving so there won't actually be a person to walk around at
the ends, but looping around that stationary person in the practice=20
line gives you a feel for how to do the figure.<br>
<br>
Then I brought in a fourth person into the practice line and actually=20
got everyone to move at once, to demo how the Hey works (which blew the=20
new people's minds, they were laughing at how complicated it looked=20
compared to when 3 of the four people had been standing still)<br>
<br>
Then I offered those who had never done a hey before the chance to try=20
it with the other 3 ppl being stationary, encouraging Ravens to try from
the middle and Larks to try from an end, to simulate what they'd be=20
experiencing in the dance...<br>
<br>
So that was neat, cause those who wanted to try got to try, and those=20
who are visual learners and felt that they got the concept just from my=20
demo, along with those who have already done a hey before, didn't have=20
to do it....=C2=A0 - and having two practice lines sped things up and too=
k=20
attention off everyone just watching one person (I may actually do 3=20
practice=20
lines in the future!)<br>
<br>
Then when everyone got into their contra lines and we got to the Hey=20
part in the walk through (after a Raven's chain)=C2=A0 I used the patter =
that
you all gave feedback on for a couple of walkthroughs... (but also=20
emphasized that you could mess up the weaving all you wanted to, and it=20
didn't matter as long as you got back to your partner for a bal and=20
swing at the end of the 16 counts - that was probably the most helpful=20
thing for people to grasp).<br>
<br>
It looked a bit rough during the walkthroughs but everyone indeed made=20
it back "home" on time for the swing, and then as the dance progressed=20
everyone nailed it eventually.<br>
<br>
During the dance I used parts of the patter sometimes, but by the end=20
just said "into the Hey!" and it was all good.<br>
<br>
I enjoy that patter though - like I said our previous caller did it and=20
it has a nice feel to it.=C2=A0 I got confirmation from our old caller th=
at=20
he did the patter <span style=3D"text-decoration: underline;">concurrentl=
y</span>
with each sub-figure of they hey, rather than preceding them.<br>
We do do a lot of talking at our dances, with so many beginners each=20
time we basically never stop calling (or maybe we let people muddle=20
through without calls for the very last time through some dances - but I
assure you, many people falter without the instruction!) -- anyhow I=20
think our group is pretty used to dancing with lots of verbiage=20
accompanying the music, for better or for worse :)<br>
<br>
- thanks again!!<br>
Learned a lot from all you wrote, and I may try Diane's approach below=20
in the future!!<br>
Also loved the idea that just came in this morning to say "pass right=20
with nobody" at the ends, to give an idea of how to walk that final=20
loop...<br>
Kat in Halifax<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<span>Diane Silver via Contra Callers wrote on 2/28/2020 3:15 PM:</span><=
br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"=20
cite=3D"mid:010101708d39b014-858cb641-0e35-42a3-975b-b5542fdacbba-000000@=
us-west-2.amazonses.com"><meta
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">
=20
=20
<font face=3D"Arial">Like Erik, I emphasize the loop-around as a
critical part of the move.=C2=A0 Presuming the preceding move is an
8-count move and there's no short 4-count move that needs to be
called, I use the entire preceding 8 beats to prompt the start of
the hey before it needs to happen.=C2=A0 I call the general move "H=
ey
for four" and also pre-call the descriptive details for how it
starts. (I teach the hey emphasizing that as the Robins start
passing right, the Larks' first move is to slide over into the
right-hand position, and then they'll follow the Robin through the
weaving (and of course, vice-versa if it's a left-shoulder hey)).=C2=
=A0
Then I continue to pre-call each piece of the hey while the
preceding piece is taking place, in 4-count chunks.=C2=A0 Feels lik=
e
patter calling because there's no stopping:<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"-1"><i>CAPital letters indicate calling on the
downbeat, with emphasis. lower-case calls are like pick-up
notes for the following downbeat:</i><i><br>
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Starting the call way back on beat 9 of the preceding part does not
seem to be a problem for the dancers.=C2=A0 They finish the move they=
're
doing (often swinging) and the extra thinking time helps them end
that move and face across to start the hey on time.=C2=A0 I've never =
had
anyone start the hey early because the beginning of the call came so
early.<br>
<br>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">-- Diane<br>
<br>
On 2/28/2020 1:30 PM, Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers wrote:<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">One of the problems with
calling heys and this type of timing is the *<b>WHILE</b>*
problem:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 While a pair is p=
assing in
the middle, someone is looping at the end=E2=80=94a sort of =E2=
=80=9Cghost=E2=80=9D
pass. New dancers often abruptly about-face actually cutting
off the path of the next person they=E2=80=99re supposed to p=
ass,
and often try to pass with the =E2=80=9Cother=E2=80=9D should=
er.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Here=E2=80=99s th=
e Robins (we=E2=80=99ve
switched) as the Larks:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
Robins=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WHILE=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Robins pass
Right=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks Loop Left=
(often replaced by
a =E2=80=9Cpause=E2=80=9D)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:.5in"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">Robins pass Larks by
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks pa=
ss Robins by Left<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">Robins Loop
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
Larks pass Right<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">Robins pass Larks by Left
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks pass Robins =
by left<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">Robins pass
Right=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks Loop Left=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">Robins pass Larks by
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks pa=
ss Robins by left<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">Robins Loop
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
Larks pass by Right<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">Again, it=E2=80=99s that X Pas=
ses
while Y Loops that often leads to problems. Thus, if the
teaching didn=E2=80=99t click, when I notice this problem as =
I watch
the problems dancers have I might start calling to those
dancers who are doing the =E2=80=9Cabout-face=E2=80=9D and ca=
ll =E2=80=9CLoop to the
Left (or right) to pass Left (right) Again.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black">Erik Hoffman<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=20
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old
Style",serif;color:black"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jeff Kaufman via Contra
Callers <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"=20
href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net"=20
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"><contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net></a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 28, 2020 6:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Katherine Kitching <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E=
"
href=3D"mailto:kat.kitching@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send=3D"true"><kat.=
kitching(a)gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated"=20
href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net"=20
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey
for four<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don't think there's anything special
about they hey: always cue things so that they start on the
beat after you finish speaking.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You might find "ravens left" etc works
better than "ravens pass left", being shorter.=C2=A0 Otherw=
ise
it's hard to get all the words out.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jeff<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:06 AM
Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers <<a=20
href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net"=20
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
hello - first time posting to this list so i'm sorry if
I do it wrong (looked in archives and couldn't see
obvious answer)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0I am going to teach and call m=
y
first dance with a hey this Saturday.. (ie tomorrow)<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">our group takes things slow so i'd
like to cue every interaction for the first few times,
as our previous caller did.... I don't know how common
this is but our previous caller would actually say--<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0ravens pass right<o:p></o:p></=
p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">neighbours pass left<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">larks pass right<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">partners left<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ravens pass right<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">neighbours pass left<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">larks pass right=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p=
>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0partner balance and swing<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I'm wondering if someone can clarify
for me about delivering the calls for this
hey....normally of course I deliver instructions so the
last bit of instruction ends on the beat prior to the
figure starting.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But in the case of the Hey, if I
remember correctly the caller actually called out=C2=A0 t=
he
actions *as* they were happening....=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Am I remembering correctly and if so
is this the best approach?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In essence-- do I start by calling
"ravens pass right" <u>just before</u> they do it, or
<u>while</u> they are doing it?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">thanks muchly :)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div=20
id=3D"gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Katherine Kitching in Hfx NS Canada=C2=
=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 09:12:49 -0500
From: Jeff Kaufman <jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
To: Katherine Kitching <kat(a)outdooractive.ca>
Cc: contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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"We do do a lot of talking at our dances, with so many beginners each time
we basically never stop calling (or maybe we let people muddle through
without calls for the very last time through some dances - but I assure
you, many people falter without the instruction!)"
I suspect that the reason things fall apart without calling is that people
are used to always having calling. Removing calling for one time through
the dance doesn't work well because it's abrupt and all-or-nothing.
Learning how to drop out gradually can get you and your dancers to a place
where you don't need to call the whole dance and where the dancers don't
feel like that calling is needed. This goes something like:
* Start with your standard full calls
* After a time or so through the dance, use shorter versions of the calls
("long lines" and not "long lines forwards and back"). Still have the calls
end right before the next figure. This means they have less time from the
call until the figure, and so practice anticipating the next figure.
* Continue using shorter and shorter calls ("lines")
* Leave out calls when it's pretty obvious and/or there's lots of catch-up
time. If the dance has a pass through, balance, and swing then you can
start leaving out the "swing" call because most people will learn quickly
that it follows the balance, and anyone who forgets has plenty of time to
look around them and figure it out. Then you can start leaving out the
"balance" because that will seem natural to the dancers after the pass
through.
* Pay attention to where the dancers are getting confused, and support the
tricky parts of the dance. If it's sometimes circle and swing, and other
times circle and pass through, call the swing/pass longer because it's hard
to remember.
If the dancers always have everything prompted for them, they don't learn
the choreography.
Jeff
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 8:13 AM Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:23:10 -0400
> From: Katherine Kitching <kat(a)outdooractive.ca> <kat(a)outdooractive.ca>
> To: contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
>
> Hi all, wanted to thank everyone for all the super varied/interesting and
> helpful feedback and suggestions!
>
> I also wanted to report that my first Hey went very well on Saturday nigh=
t.
>
> What I ended up doing was creating 2 "practice lines" in the centre of ou=
r
> big teaching circle (I always teach new figures in a big circle) - which
> each had 3 people set up in a line with generous space between, and first
> I walked through one of those lines myself starting first from the middle=
,
> to demo how the Raven would proceed, and then from one end to show how th=
e
> Lark would proceed -- both to 16 counts -- showing how I passed the perso=
n
> in the middle by the right shoulder and the people on the ends by the lef=
t
> shoulder, and explaining how in reality everyone is moving so there won't
> actually be a person to walk around at the ends, but looping around that
> stationary person in the practice line gives you a feel for how to do the
> figure.
>
> Then I brought in a fourth person into the practice line and actually got
> everyone to move at once, to demo how the Hey works (which blew the new
> people's minds, they were laughing at how complicated it looked compared =
to
> when 3 of the four people had been standing still)
>
> Then I offered those who had never done a hey before the chance to try it
> with the other 3 ppl being stationary, encouraging Ravens to try from the
> middle and Larks to try from an end, to simulate what they'd be
> experiencing in the dance...
>
> So that was neat, cause those who wanted to try got to try, and those who
> are visual learners and felt that they got the concept just from my demo,
> along with those who have already done a hey before, didn't have to do
> it.... - and having two practice lines sped things up and took attention
> off everyone just watching one person (I may actually do 3 practice lines
> in the future!)
>
> Then when everyone got into their contra lines and we got to the Hey part
> in the walk through (after a Raven's chain) I used the patter that you a=
ll
> gave feedback on for a couple of walkthroughs... (but also emphasized tha=
t
> you could mess up the weaving all you wanted to, and it didn't matter as
> long as you got back to your partner for a bal and swing at the end of th=
e
> 16 counts - that was probably the most helpful thing for people to grasp)=
.
>
> It looked a bit rough during the walkthroughs but everyone indeed made it
> back "home" on time for the swing, and then as the dance progressed
> everyone nailed it eventually.
>
> During the dance I used parts of the patter sometimes, but by the end jus=
t
> said "into the Hey!" and it was all good.
>
> I enjoy that patter though - like I said our previous caller did it and i=
t
> has a nice feel to it. I got confirmation from our old caller that he di=
d
> the patter concurrently with each sub-figure of they hey, rather than
> preceding them.
> We do do a lot of talking at our dances, with so many beginners each time
> we basically never stop calling (or maybe we let people muddle through
> without calls for the very last time through some dances - but I assure
> you, many people falter without the instruction!) -- anyhow I think our
> group is pretty used to dancing with lots of verbiage accompanying the
> music, for better or for worse :)
>
> - thanks again!!
> Learned a lot from all you wrote, and I may try Diane's approach below in
> the future!!
> Also loved the idea that just came in this morning to say "pass right wit=
h
> nobody" at the ends, to give an idea of how to walk that final loop...
> Kat in Halifax
>
>
>
>
>
> Diane Silver via Contra Callers wrote on 2/28/2020 3:15 PM:
>
> Like Erik, I emphasize the loop-around as a critical part of the move.
> Presuming the preceding move is an 8-count move and there's no short
> 4-count move that needs to be called, I use the entire preceding 8 beats =
to
> prompt the start of the hey before it needs to happen. I call the genera=
l
> move "Hey for four" and also pre-call the descriptive details for how it
> starts. (I teach the hey emphasizing that as the Robins start passing
> right, the Larks' first move is to slide over into the right-hand positio=
n,
> and then they'll follow the Robin through the weaving (and of course,
> vice-versa if it's a left-shoulder hey)). Then I continue to pre-call ea=
ch
> piece of the hey while the preceding piece is taking place, in 4-count
> chunks. Feels like patter calling because there's no stopping:
>
> *CAPital letters indicate calling on the downbeat, with emphasis.
> lower-case calls are like pick-up notes for the following downbeat:*
>
>
>
> Starting the call way back on beat 9 of the preceding part does not seem
> to be a problem for the dancers. They finish the move they're doing (oft=
en
> swinging) and the extra thinking time helps them end that move and face
> across to start the hey on time. I've never had anyone start the hey ear=
ly
> because the beginning of the call came so early.
>
> -- Diane
>
> On 2/28/2020 1:30 PM, Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers wrote:
>
> One of the problems with calling heys and this type of timing is the *
> *WHILE** problem:
>
> While a pair is passing in the middle, someone is looping at the end=
=E2=80=94a
> sort of =E2=80=9Cghost=E2=80=9D pass. New dancers often abruptly about-fa=
ce actually
> cutting off the path of the next person they=E2=80=99re supposed to pass,=
and often
> try to pass with the =E2=80=9Cother=E2=80=9D shoulder.
>
> Here=E2=80=99s the Robins (we=E2=80=99ve switched) as the Larks:
>
> Robins WHILE Larks
>
> Robins pass Right Larks Loop Left (often
> replaced by a =E2=80=9Cpause=E2=80=9D)
>
> Robins pass Larks by Left Larks pass Robins by Left
>
> Robins Loop Left Larks pass Right
>
> Robins pass Larks by Left Larks pass Robins by left
>
> Robins pass Right Larks Loop Left
>
> Robins pass Larks by Left Larks pass Robins by left
>
> Robins Loop Left Larks pass by Right
>
>
>
> Again, it=E2=80=99s that X Passes while Y Loops that often leads to probl=
ems.
> Thus, if the teaching didn=E2=80=99t click, when I notice this problem as=
I watch
> the problems dancers have I might start calling to those dancers who are
> doing the =E2=80=9Cabout-face=E2=80=9D and call =E2=80=9CLoop to the Left=
(or right) to pass Left
> (right) Again.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> Erik Hoffman
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers
> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 6:50 AM
> *To:* Katherine Kitching <kat.kitching(a)gmail.com> <kat.kitching(a)gmail.com=
>
> *Cc:* contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> *Subject:* [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
>
>
>
> I don't think there's anything special about they hey: always cue things
> so that they start on the beat after you finish speaking.
>
>
>
> You might find "ravens left" etc works better than "ravens pass left",
> being shorter. Otherwise it's hard to get all the words out.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:06 AM Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers <
> contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
> hello - first time posting to this list so i'm sorry if I do it wrong
> (looked in archives and couldn't see obvious answer)
>
>
>
> I am going to teach and call my first dance with a hey this Saturday..
> (ie tomorrow)
>
>
>
> our group takes things slow so i'd like to cue every interaction for the
> first few times, as our previous caller did.... I don't know how common
> this is but our previous caller would actually say--
>
>
>
> ravens pass right
>
> neighbours pass left
>
> larks pass right
>
> partners left
>
> ravens pass right
>
> neighbours pass left
>
> larks pass right
>
> partner balance and swing
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if someone can clarify for me about delivering the calls fo=
r
> this hey....normally of course I deliver instructions so the last bit of
> instruction ends on the beat prior to the figure starting.
>
>
>
> But in the case of the Hey, if I remember correctly the caller actually
> called out the actions *as* they were happening....
>
>
>
> Am I remembering correctly and if so is this the best approach?
>
>
>
> In essence-- do I start by calling "ravens pass right" *just before* they
> do it, or *while* they are doing it?
>
>
>
> thanks muchly :)
>
>
>
> Katherine Kitching in Hfx NS Canada
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">"We do do a lot of talking at our dances, with so ma=
ny beginners each time we basically never stop calling (or maybe we let peo=
ple muddle through without calls for the very last time through some dances=
- but I assure you, many people falter without the instruction!)"<div=
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I suspect that the reason things =
fall apart without calling is that people are used to always having calling=
. Removing calling for one time through the dance doesn't work well bec=
ause it's abrupt and all-or-nothing.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">Learning how to drop out gradually can get you and your da=
ncers to a place where you don't need to call the whole dance and where=
the dancers don't feel like that calling is needed. This goes somethin=
g like:</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">* Start with you=
r standard full calls</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">* =
After a time or so through the dance, use shorter versions of the calls (&q=
uot;long lines" and not "long lines forwards and back"). Sti=
ll have the calls end right before the next figure. This means they have le=
ss time from the call until the figure, and so practice anticipating the ne=
xt figure.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">* Continue us=
ing shorter and shorter calls ("lines")</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">* Leave out calls when it's pretty obvious an=
d/or there's lots of catch-up time. If the dance has a pass through, ba=
lance, and swing then you can start leaving out the "swing" call =
because most people will learn quickly that it follows the balance, and any=
one who forgets has plenty of time to look around them and figure it out. T=
hen you can start leaving out the "balance" because that will see=
m natural to the dancers after the pass through.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">* Pay attention to where the dancers are getting c=
onfused, and support the tricky parts of the dance. If it's sometimes c=
ircle and swing, and other times circle and pass through, call the swing/pa=
ss longer because it's hard to remember.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">If the dancers always have everything prompted for the=
m, they don't learn the choreography.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">Jeff</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 8:13 AM Katherine Kitchi=
ng via Contra Callers <<a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweigh=
t.net">contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockq=
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<th align=3D"RIGHT" nowrap valign=3D"BASELINE">Subject: </th><td>Re: [Calle=
rs] Re: actual timing of=20
calls for hey for four</td></tr><tr><th align=3D"RIGHT" nowrap valign=3D"BA=
SELINE">Date: </th><td>Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:23:10 -0400</td></tr><tr><th alig=
n=3D"RIGHT" nowrap valign=3D"BASELINE">From: </th><td>Katherine
Kitching <a href=3D"mailto:kat@outdooractive.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"=
noreferrer"><kat(a)outdooractive.ca></a></td></tr><tr><th align=3D"RIGH=
T" nowrap valign=3D"BASELINE">To: </th><td><a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@=
lists.sharedweight.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">contracallers@=
lists.sharedweight.net</a></td></tr></tbody></table>
<br><br>
Hi all, wanted to=20
thank everyone for all the super varied/interesting and helpful feedback
and suggestions!<br>
<br>
I also wanted to report that my first Hey went very well on Saturday=20
night.<br>
<br>
What I ended up doing was creating 2 "practice lines" in the cent=
re of=20
our big teaching circle (I always teach new figures in a big circle) -=20
which each had 3 people set up in a line with generous space between,=20
and first=C2=A0 I walked through one of those lines myself starting first=
=20
from the middle, to demo how the Raven would proceed, and then from one=20
end to show how the Lark would proceed -- both to 16 counts -- showing=20
how I passed the person in the middle by the right shoulder and the=20
people on the ends by the left shoulder, and explaining how in reality=20
everyone is moving so there won't actually be a person to walk around a=
t
the ends, but looping around that stationary person in the practice=20
line gives you a feel for how to do the figure.<br>
<br>
Then I brought in a fourth person into the practice line and actually=20
got everyone to move at once, to demo how the Hey works (which blew the=20
new people's minds, they were laughing at how complicated it looked=20
compared to when 3 of the four people had been standing still)<br>
<br>
Then I offered those who had never done a hey before the chance to try=20
it with the other 3 ppl being stationary, encouraging Ravens to try from
the middle and Larks to try from an end, to simulate what they'd be=20
experiencing in the dance...<br>
<br>
So that was neat, cause those who wanted to try got to try, and those=20
who are visual learners and felt that they got the concept just from my=20
demo, along with those who have already done a hey before, didn't have=
=20
to do it....=C2=A0 - and having two practice lines sped things up and took=
=20
attention off everyone just watching one person (I may actually do 3=20
practice=20
lines in the future!)<br>
<br>
Then when everyone got into their contra lines and we got to the Hey=20
part in the walk through (after a Raven's chain)=C2=A0 I used the patte=
r that
you all gave feedback on for a couple of walkthroughs... (but also=20
emphasized that you could mess up the weaving all you wanted to, and it=20
didn't matter as long as you got back to your partner for a bal and=20
swing at the end of the 16 counts - that was probably the most helpful=20
thing for people to grasp).<br>
<br>
It looked a bit rough during the walkthroughs but everyone indeed made=20
it back "home" on time for the swing, and then as the dance progr=
essed=20
everyone nailed it eventually.<br>
<br>
During the dance I used parts of the patter sometimes, but by the end=20
just said "into the Hey!" and it was all good.<br>
<br>
I enjoy that patter though - like I said our previous caller did it and=20
it has a nice feel to it.=C2=A0 I got confirmation from our old caller that=
=20
he did the patter <span style=3D"text-decoration:underline">concurrently</s=
pan>
with each sub-figure of they hey, rather than preceding them.<br>
We do do a lot of talking at our dances, with so many beginners each=20
time we basically never stop calling (or maybe we let people muddle=20
through without calls for the very last time through some dances - but I
assure you, many people falter without the instruction!) -- anyhow I=20
think our group is pretty used to dancing with lots of verbiage=20
accompanying the music, for better or for worse :)<br>
<br>
- thanks again!!<br>
Learned a lot from all you wrote, and I may try Diane's approach below=
=20
in the future!!<br>
Also loved the idea that just came in this morning to say "pass right=
=20
with nobody" at the ends, to give an idea of how to walk that final=20
loop...<br>
Kat in Halifax<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<span>Diane Silver via Contra Callers wrote on 2/28/2020 3:15 PM:</span><br=
>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
=20
<font face=3D"Arial">Like Erik, I emphasize the loop-around as a
critical part of the move.=C2=A0 Presuming the preceding move is an
8-count move and there's no short 4-count move that needs to be
called, I use the entire preceding 8 beats to prompt the start of
the hey before it needs to happen.=C2=A0 I call the general move &quo=
t;Hey
for four" and also pre-call the descriptive details for how it
starts. (I teach the hey emphasizing that as the Robins start
passing right, the Larks' first move is to slide over into the
right-hand position, and then they'll follow the Robin through th=
e
weaving (and of course, vice-versa if it's a left-shoulder hey)).=
=C2=A0
Then I continue to pre-call each piece of the hey while the
preceding piece is taking place, in 4-count chunks.=C2=A0 Feels like
patter calling because there's no stopping:<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"-1"><i>CAPital letters indicate calling on the
downbeat, with emphasis. lower-case calls are like pick-up
notes for the following downbeat:</i><i><br>
</i></font><br>
<img src=3D"cid:part1.2864E90A.BC28514D@outdooractive.ca" alt=3D"" na=
me=3D"m_-6096015094395771497_image.png"><br>
</font><br>
Starting the call way back on beat 9 of the preceding part does not
seem to be a problem for the dancers.=C2=A0 They finish the move they&#=
39;re
doing (often swinging) and the extra thinking time helps them end
that move and face across to start the hey on time.=C2=A0 I've neve=
r had
anyone start the hey early because the beginning of the call came so
early.<br>
<br>
=20
<div>-- Diane<br>
<br>
On 2/28/2020 1:30 PM, Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers wrote:<br>
</div>
=20
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
=20
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>One of the problems with
calling heys and this type of timing is the *<b>WHILE</b>*
problem:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0 While a pair is passing i=
n
the middle, someone is looping at the end=E2=80=94a sort of =E2=
=80=9Cghost=E2=80=9D
pass. New dancers often abruptly about-face actually cutting
off the path of the next person they=E2=80=99re supposed to pas=
s,
and often try to pass with the =E2=80=9Cother=E2=80=9D shoulder=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Here=E2=80=99s the Robins=
(we=E2=80=99ve
switched) as the Larks:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
Robins=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WHILE=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Robins pass
Right=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks Loop Left (=
often replaced by
a =E2=80=9Cpause=E2=80=9D)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:.5in"><span>Robins pass=
Larks by
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks pass=
Robins by Left<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span>Robins Loop
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
Larks pass Right<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span>Robins pass=
Larks by Left
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks pass Robins by=
left<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span>Robins pass
Right=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks Loop Left<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span>Robins pass=
Larks by
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks pass=
Robins by left<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span>Robins Loop
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
Larks pass by Right<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Again, it=E2=80=99s that X Passes
while Y Loops that often leads to problems. Thus, if the
teaching didn=E2=80=99t click, when I notice this problem as I =
watch
the problems dancers have I might start calling to those
dancers who are doing the =E2=80=9Cabout-face=E2=80=9D and call=
=E2=80=9CLoop to the
Left (or right) to pass Left (right) Again.=E2=80=9D<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Erik Hoffman<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jeff Kaufman via Contra
Callers <a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net" t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"><contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.ne=
t></a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 28, 2020 6:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Katherine Kitching <a href=3D"mailto:kat.kitching@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"><kat.kitching(a)gmail.com><=
/a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey
for four<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don't think there's anything spe=
cial
about they hey: always cue things so that they start on the
beat after you finish speaking.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You might find "ravens left" e=
tc works
better than "ravens pass left", being shorter.=C2=
=A0 Otherwise
it's hard to get all the words out.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jeff<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:06 AM
Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers <<a href=3D"mailto:c=
ontracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">c=
ontracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;=
padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div id=3D"m_=
-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
hello - first time posting to this list so i'm sorry if
I do it wrong (looked in archives and couldn't see
obvious answer)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0I am going to teach and call my
first dance with a hey this Saturday.. (ie tomorrow)<u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">our group takes things slow so i'd
like to cue every interaction for the first few times,
as our previous caller did.... I don't know how common
this is but our previous caller would actually say--<u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0ravens pass right<u></u><u></u><=
/p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">neighbours pass left<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">larks pass right<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">partners left<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ravens pass right<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">neighbours pass left<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">larks pass right=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0partner balance and swing<u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I'm wondering if someone can clari=
fy
for me about delivering the calls for this
hey....normally of course I deliver instructions so the
last bit of instruction ends on the beat prior to the
figure starting.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But in the case of the Hey, if I
remember correctly the caller actually called out=C2=A0 the
actions *as* they were happening....=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Am I remembering correctly and if so
is this the best approach?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In essence-- do I start by calling
"ravens pass right" <u>just before</u> they do it=
, or
<u>while</u> they are doing it?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">thanks muchly :)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_-6096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038resp=
onse_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Katherine Kitching in Hfx NS Canada=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 09:25:17 -0500
From: Jeff Kaufman <jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
To: Jeff Kaufman <jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu>
Cc: Katherine Kitching <kat(a)outdooractive.ca>,
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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I wrote more about my experience with dropping out:
https://www.jefftk.com/p/lessons-from-dropping-out
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:13 AM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> "We do do a lot of talking at our dances, with so many beginners each tim=
e
> we basically never stop calling (or maybe we let people muddle through
> without calls for the very last time through some dances - but I assure
> you, many people falter without the instruction!)"
>
> I suspect that the reason things fall apart without calling is that peopl=
e
> are used to always having calling. Removing calling for one time through
> the dance doesn't work well because it's abrupt and all-or-nothing.
>
> Learning how to drop out gradually can get you and your dancers to a plac=
e
> where you don't need to call the whole dance and where the dancers don't
> feel like that calling is needed. This goes something like:
>
> * Start with your standard full calls
>
> * After a time or so through the dance, use shorter versions of the calls
> ("long lines" and not "long lines forwards and back"). Still have the cal=
ls
> end right before the next figure. This means they have less time from the
> call until the figure, and so practice anticipating the next figure.
>
> * Continue using shorter and shorter calls ("lines")
>
> * Leave out calls when it's pretty obvious and/or there's lots of catch-u=
p
> time. If the dance has a pass through, balance, and swing then you can
> start leaving out the "swing" call because most people will learn quickly
> that it follows the balance, and anyone who forgets has plenty of time to
> look around them and figure it out. Then you can start leaving out the
> "balance" because that will seem natural to the dancers after the pass
> through.
>
> * Pay attention to where the dancers are getting confused, and support th=
e
> tricky parts of the dance. If it's sometimes circle and swing, and other
> times circle and pass through, call the swing/pass longer because it's ha=
rd
> to remember.
>
> If the dancers always have everything prompted for them, they don't learn
> the choreography.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 8:13 AM Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers <
> contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
>> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:23:10 -0400
>> From: Katherine Kitching <kat(a)outdooractive.ca> <kat(a)outdooractive.ca>
>> To: contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
>>
>> Hi all, wanted to thank everyone for all the super varied/interesting an=
d
>> helpful feedback and suggestions!
>>
>> I also wanted to report that my first Hey went very well on Saturday
>> night.
>>
>> What I ended up doing was creating 2 "practice lines" in the centre of
>> our big teaching circle (I always teach new figures in a big circle) -
>> which each had 3 people set up in a line with generous space between, an=
d
>> first I walked through one of those lines myself starting first from th=
e
>> middle, to demo how the Raven would proceed, and then from one end to sh=
ow
>> how the Lark would proceed -- both to 16 counts -- showing how I passed =
the
>> person in the middle by the right shoulder and the people on the ends by
>> the left shoulder, and explaining how in reality everyone is moving so
>> there won't actually be a person to walk around at the ends, but looping
>> around that stationary person in the practice line gives you a feel for =
how
>> to do the figure.
>>
>> Then I brought in a fourth person into the practice line and actually go=
t
>> everyone to move at once, to demo how the Hey works (which blew the new
>> people's minds, they were laughing at how complicated it looked compared=
to
>> when 3 of the four people had been standing still)
>>
>> Then I offered those who had never done a hey before the chance to try i=
t
>> with the other 3 ppl being stationary, encouraging Ravens to try from th=
e
>> middle and Larks to try from an end, to simulate what they'd be
>> experiencing in the dance...
>>
>> So that was neat, cause those who wanted to try got to try, and those wh=
o
>> are visual learners and felt that they got the concept just from my demo=
,
>> along with those who have already done a hey before, didn't have to do
>> it.... - and having two practice lines sped things up and took attentio=
n
>> off everyone just watching one person (I may actually do 3 practice line=
s
>> in the future!)
>>
>> Then when everyone got into their contra lines and we got to the Hey par=
t
>> in the walk through (after a Raven's chain) I used the patter that you =
all
>> gave feedback on for a couple of walkthroughs... (but also emphasized th=
at
>> you could mess up the weaving all you wanted to, and it didn't matter as
>> long as you got back to your partner for a bal and swing at the end of t=
he
>> 16 counts - that was probably the most helpful thing for people to grasp=
).
>>
>> It looked a bit rough during the walkthroughs but everyone indeed made i=
t
>> back "home" on time for the swing, and then as the dance progressed
>> everyone nailed it eventually.
>>
>> During the dance I used parts of the patter sometimes, but by the end
>> just said "into the Hey!" and it was all good.
>>
>> I enjoy that patter though - like I said our previous caller did it and
>> it has a nice feel to it. I got confirmation from our old caller that h=
e
>> did the patter concurrently with each sub-figure of they hey, rather
>> than preceding them.
>> We do do a lot of talking at our dances, with so many beginners each tim=
e
>> we basically never stop calling (or maybe we let people muddle through
>> without calls for the very last time through some dances - but I assure
>> you, many people falter without the instruction!) -- anyhow I think our
>> group is pretty used to dancing with lots of verbiage accompanying the
>> music, for better or for worse :)
>>
>> - thanks again!!
>> Learned a lot from all you wrote, and I may try Diane's approach below i=
n
>> the future!!
>> Also loved the idea that just came in this morning to say "pass right
>> with nobody" at the ends, to give an idea of how to walk that final loop=
...
>> Kat in Halifax
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Diane Silver via Contra Callers wrote on 2/28/2020 3:15 PM:
>>
>> Like Erik, I emphasize the loop-around as a critical part of the move.
>> Presuming the preceding move is an 8-count move and there's no short
>> 4-count move that needs to be called, I use the entire preceding 8 beats=
to
>> prompt the start of the hey before it needs to happen. I call the gener=
al
>> move "Hey for four" and also pre-call the descriptive details for how it
>> starts. (I teach the hey emphasizing that as the Robins start passing
>> right, the Larks' first move is to slide over into the right-hand positi=
on,
>> and then they'll follow the Robin through the weaving (and of course,
>> vice-versa if it's a left-shoulder hey)). Then I continue to pre-call e=
ach
>> piece of the hey while the preceding piece is taking place, in 4-count
>> chunks. Feels like patter calling because there's no stopping:
>>
>> *CAPital letters indicate calling on the downbeat, with emphasis.
>> lower-case calls are like pick-up notes for the following downbeat:*
>>
>>
>>
>> Starting the call way back on beat 9 of the preceding part does not seem
>> to be a problem for the dancers. They finish the move they're doing (of=
ten
>> swinging) and the extra thinking time helps them end that move and face
>> across to start the hey on time. I've never had anyone start the hey ea=
rly
>> because the beginning of the call came so early.
>>
>> -- Diane
>>
>> On 2/28/2020 1:30 PM, Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers wrote:
>>
>> One of the problems with calling heys and this type of timing is the *
>> *WHILE** problem:
>>
>> While a pair is passing in the middle, someone is looping at the end=
=E2=80=94a
>> sort of =E2=80=9Cghost=E2=80=9D pass. New dancers often abruptly about-f=
ace actually
>> cutting off the path of the next person they=E2=80=99re supposed to pass=
, and often
>> try to pass with the =E2=80=9Cother=E2=80=9D shoulder.
>>
>> Here=E2=80=99s the Robins (we=E2=80=99ve switched) as the Larks:
>>
>> Robins WHILE Larks
>>
>> Robins pass Right Larks Loop Left (often
>> replaced by a =E2=80=9Cpause=E2=80=9D)
>>
>> Robins pass Larks by Left Larks pass Robins by Left
>>
>> Robins Loop Left Larks pass Right
>>
>> Robins pass Larks by Left Larks pass Robins by left
>>
>> Robins pass Right Larks Loop Left
>>
>> Robins pass Larks by Left Larks pass Robins by left
>>
>> Robins Loop Left Larks pass by Right
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, it=E2=80=99s that X Passes while Y Loops that often leads to prob=
lems.
>> Thus, if the teaching didn=E2=80=99t click, when I notice this problem a=
s I watch
>> the problems dancers have I might start calling to those dancers who are
>> doing the =E2=80=9Cabout-face=E2=80=9D and call =E2=80=9CLoop to the Lef=
t (or right) to pass Left
>> (right) Again.=E2=80=9D
>>
>>
>>
>> Erik Hoffman
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers
>> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
>> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 6:50 AM
>> *To:* Katherine Kitching <kat.kitching(a)gmail.com>
>> <kat.kitching(a)gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
>> *Subject:* [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think there's anything special about they hey: always cue things
>> so that they start on the beat after you finish speaking.
>>
>>
>>
>> You might find "ravens left" etc works better than "ravens pass left",
>> being shorter. Otherwise it's hard to get all the words out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:06 AM Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers <
>> contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> hello - first time posting to this list so i'm sorry if I do it wrong
>> (looked in archives and couldn't see obvious answer)
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to teach and call my first dance with a hey this Saturday..
>> (ie tomorrow)
>>
>>
>>
>> our group takes things slow so i'd like to cue every interaction for the
>> first few times, as our previous caller did.... I don't know how common
>> this is but our previous caller would actually say--
>>
>>
>>
>> ravens pass right
>>
>> neighbours pass left
>>
>> larks pass right
>>
>> partners left
>>
>> ravens pass right
>>
>> neighbours pass left
>>
>> larks pass right
>>
>> partner balance and swing
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm wondering if someone can clarify for me about delivering the calls
>> for this hey....normally of course I deliver instructions so the last bi=
t
>> of instruction ends on the beat prior to the figure starting.
>>
>>
>>
>> But in the case of the Hey, if I remember correctly the caller actually
>> called out the actions *as* they were happening....
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I remembering correctly and if so is this the best approach?
>>
>>
>>
>> In essence-- do I start by calling "ravens pass right" *just before*
>> they do it, or *while* they are doing it?
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks muchly :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Katherine Kitching in Hfx NS Canada
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I wrote more about my experience with dropping out:=C2=A0<=
a href=3D"https://www.jefftk.com/p/lessons-from-dropping-out">https://www.j=
efftk.com/p/lessons-from-dropping-out</a></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:13 AM Jef=
f Kaufman via Contra Callers <<a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.shar=
edweight.net">contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">"W=
e do do a lot of talking at our dances, with so many beginners each time we=
basically never stop calling (or maybe we let people muddle through withou=
t calls for the very last time through some dances - but I assure you, many=
people falter without the instruction!)"<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">I suspect that the reason things fall apart without callin=
g is that people are used to always having calling. Removing calling for on=
e time through the dance doesn't work well because it's abrupt and =
all-or-nothing.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Learning=
how to drop out gradually can get you and your dancers to a place where yo=
u don't need to call the whole dance and where the dancers don't fe=
el like that calling is needed. This goes something like:</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">* Start with your standard full calls</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">* After a time or so throug=
h the dance, use shorter versions of the calls ("long lines" and =
not "long lines forwards and back"). Still have the calls end rig=
ht before the next figure. This means they have less time from the call unt=
il the figure, and so practice anticipating the next figure.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">* Continue using shorter and shorter =
calls ("lines")</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">* Leave out calls when it's pretty obvious and/or there's lots of=
catch-up time. If the dance has a pass through, balance, and swing then yo=
u can start leaving out the "swing" call because most people will=
learn quickly that it follows the balance, and anyone who forgets has plen=
ty of time to look around them and figure it out. Then you can start leavin=
g out the "balance" because that will seem natural to the dancers=
after the pass through.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>* Pay attention to where the dancers are getting confused, and support the=
tricky parts of the dance. If it's sometimes circle and swing, and oth=
er times circle and pass through, call the swing/pass longer because it'=
;s hard to remember.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If =
the dancers always have everything prompted for them, they don't learn =
the choreography.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Jeff</=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 8:13 AM Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers <=
<a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net" target=3D"_blank">c=
ontracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><br>
<div><br><br>-------- Forwarded Message=20
--------<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr>=
<th align=3D"RIGHT" nowrap valign=3D"BASELINE">Subject: </th><td>Re: [Calle=
rs] Re: actual timing of=20
calls for hey for four</td></tr><tr><th align=3D"RIGHT" nowrap valign=3D"BA=
SELINE">Date: </th><td>Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:23:10 -0400</td></tr><tr><th alig=
n=3D"RIGHT" nowrap valign=3D"BASELINE">From: </th><td>Katherine
Kitching <a href=3D"mailto:kat@outdooractive.ca" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank"><kat(a)outdooractive.ca></a></td></tr><tr><th align=3D"RIGH=
T" nowrap valign=3D"BASELINE">To: </th><td><a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@=
lists.sharedweight.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">contracallers@=
lists.sharedweight.net</a></td></tr></tbody></table>
<br><br>
Hi all, wanted to=20
thank everyone for all the super varied/interesting and helpful feedback
and suggestions!<br>
<br>
I also wanted to report that my first Hey went very well on Saturday=20
night.<br>
<br>
What I ended up doing was creating 2 "practice lines" in the cent=
re of=20
our big teaching circle (I always teach new figures in a big circle) -=20
which each had 3 people set up in a line with generous space between,=20
and first=C2=A0 I walked through one of those lines myself starting first=
=20
from the middle, to demo how the Raven would proceed, and then from one=20
end to show how the Lark would proceed -- both to 16 counts -- showing=20
how I passed the person in the middle by the right shoulder and the=20
people on the ends by the left shoulder, and explaining how in reality=20
everyone is moving so there won't actually be a person to walk around a=
t
the ends, but looping around that stationary person in the practice=20
line gives you a feel for how to do the figure.<br>
<br>
Then I brought in a fourth person into the practice line and actually=20
got everyone to move at once, to demo how the Hey works (which blew the=20
new people's minds, they were laughing at how complicated it looked=20
compared to when 3 of the four people had been standing still)<br>
<br>
Then I offered those who had never done a hey before the chance to try=20
it with the other 3 ppl being stationary, encouraging Ravens to try from
the middle and Larks to try from an end, to simulate what they'd be=20
experiencing in the dance...<br>
<br>
So that was neat, cause those who wanted to try got to try, and those=20
who are visual learners and felt that they got the concept just from my=20
demo, along with those who have already done a hey before, didn't have=
=20
to do it....=C2=A0 - and having two practice lines sped things up and took=
=20
attention off everyone just watching one person (I may actually do 3=20
practice=20
lines in the future!)<br>
<br>
Then when everyone got into their contra lines and we got to the Hey=20
part in the walk through (after a Raven's chain)=C2=A0 I used the patte=
r that
you all gave feedback on for a couple of walkthroughs... (but also=20
emphasized that you could mess up the weaving all you wanted to, and it=20
didn't matter as long as you got back to your partner for a bal and=20
swing at the end of the 16 counts - that was probably the most helpful=20
thing for people to grasp).<br>
<br>
It looked a bit rough during the walkthroughs but everyone indeed made=20
it back "home" on time for the swing, and then as the dance progr=
essed=20
everyone nailed it eventually.<br>
<br>
During the dance I used parts of the patter sometimes, but by the end=20
just said "into the Hey!" and it was all good.<br>
<br>
I enjoy that patter though - like I said our previous caller did it and=20
it has a nice feel to it.=C2=A0 I got confirmation from our old caller that=
=20
he did the patter <span style=3D"text-decoration:underline">concurrently</s=
pan>
with each sub-figure of they hey, rather than preceding them.<br>
We do do a lot of talking at our dances, with so many beginners each=20
time we basically never stop calling (or maybe we let people muddle=20
through without calls for the very last time through some dances - but I
assure you, many people falter without the instruction!) -- anyhow I=20
think our group is pretty used to dancing with lots of verbiage=20
accompanying the music, for better or for worse :)<br>
<br>
- thanks again!!<br>
Learned a lot from all you wrote, and I may try Diane's approach below=
=20
in the future!!<br>
Also loved the idea that just came in this morning to say "pass right=
=20
with nobody" at the ends, to give an idea of how to walk that final=20
loop...<br>
Kat in Halifax<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<span>Diane Silver via Contra Callers wrote on 2/28/2020 3:15 PM:</span><br=
>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
=20
<font face=3D"Arial">Like Erik, I emphasize the loop-around as a
critical part of the move.=C2=A0 Presuming the preceding move is an
8-count move and there's no short 4-count move that needs to be
called, I use the entire preceding 8 beats to prompt the start of
the hey before it needs to happen.=C2=A0 I call the general move &quo=
t;Hey
for four" and also pre-call the descriptive details for how it
starts. (I teach the hey emphasizing that as the Robins start
passing right, the Larks' first move is to slide over into the
right-hand position, and then they'll follow the Robin through th=
e
weaving (and of course, vice-versa if it's a left-shoulder hey)).=
=C2=A0
Then I continue to pre-call each piece of the hey while the
preceding piece is taking place, in 4-count chunks.=C2=A0 Feels like
patter calling because there's no stopping:<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"-1"><i>CAPital letters indicate calling on the
downbeat, with emphasis. lower-case calls are like pick-up
notes for the following downbeat:</i><i><br>
</i></font><br>
<img alt=3D"" name=3D"m_7263368326247720247_m_-6096015094395771497_im=
age.png"><br>
</font><br>
Starting the call way back on beat 9 of the preceding part does not
seem to be a problem for the dancers.=C2=A0 They finish the move they&#=
39;re
doing (often swinging) and the extra thinking time helps them end
that move and face across to start the hey on time.=C2=A0 I've neve=
r had
anyone start the hey early because the beginning of the call came so
early.<br>
<br>
=20
<div>-- Diane<br>
<br>
On 2/28/2020 1:30 PM, Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers wrote:<br>
</div>
=20
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
=20
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>One of the problems with
calling heys and this type of timing is the *<b>WHILE</b>*
problem:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0 While a pair is passing i=
n
the middle, someone is looping at the end=E2=80=94a sort of =E2=
=80=9Cghost=E2=80=9D
pass. New dancers often abruptly about-face actually cutting
off the path of the next person they=E2=80=99re supposed to pas=
s,
and often try to pass with the =E2=80=9Cother=E2=80=9D shoulder=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Here=E2=80=99s the Robins=
(we=E2=80=99ve
switched) as the Larks:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
Robins=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WHILE=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Robins pass
Right=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks Loop Left (=
often replaced by
a =E2=80=9Cpause=E2=80=9D)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:0.5in"><span>Robins pas=
s Larks by
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks pass=
Robins by Left<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><span>Robins Loo=
p
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
Larks pass Right<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><span>Robins pas=
s Larks by Left
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks pass Robins by=
left<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><span>Robins pas=
s
Right=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks Loop Left<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><span>Robins pas=
s Larks by
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Larks pass=
Robins by left<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:0.5in"><span>Robins Loo=
p
Left=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
Larks pass by Right<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Again, it=E2=80=99s that X Passes
while Y Loops that often leads to problems. Thus, if the
teaching didn=E2=80=99t click, when I notice this problem as I =
watch
the problems dancers have I might start calling to those
dancers who are doing the =E2=80=9Cabout-face=E2=80=9D and call=
=E2=80=9CLoop to the
Left (or right) to pass Left (right) Again.=E2=80=9D<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Erik Hoffman<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jeff Kaufman via Contra
Callers <a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net" r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"><contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.ne=
t></a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 28, 2020 6:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Katherine Kitching <a href=3D"mailto:kat.kitching@gmai=
l.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"><kat.kitching(a)gmail.com><=
/a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net=
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</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey
for four<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don't think there's anything spe=
cial
about they hey: always cue things so that they start on the
beat after you finish speaking.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You might find "ravens left" e=
tc works
better than "ravens pass left", being shorter.=C2=
=A0 Otherwise
it's hard to get all the words out.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jeff<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:06 AM
Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers <<a href=3D"mailto:c=
ontracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">c=
ontracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bot=
tom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;mar=
gin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6=
096015094395771497gmail-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
hello - first time posting to this list so i'm sorry if
I do it wrong (looked in archives and couldn't see
obvious answer)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0I am going to teach and call my
first dance with a hey this Saturday.. (ie tomorrow)<u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">our group takes things slow so i'd
like to cue every interaction for the first few times,
as our previous caller did.... I don't know how common
this is but our previous caller would actually say--<u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0ravens pass right<u></u><u></u><=
/p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">neighbours pass left<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">larks pass right<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">partners left<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ravens pass right<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">neighbours pass left<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">larks pass right=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0partner balance and swing<u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I'm wondering if someone can clari=
fy
for me about delivering the calls for this
hey....normally of course I deliver instructions so the
last bit of instruction ends on the beat prior to the
figure starting.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But in the case of the Hey, if I
remember correctly the caller actually called out=C2=A0 the
actions *as* they were happening....=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Am I remembering correctly and if so
is this the best approach?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In essence-- do I start by calling
"ravens pass right" <u>just before</u> they do it=
, or
<u>while</u> they are doing it?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">thanks muchly :)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7263368326247720247m_-6096015094395771497gma=
il-m_267665629212681038response_container_BBPPID">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Katherine Kitching in Hfx NS Canada=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 07:11:38 -0800
From: Martha Wild <mawild(a)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
To: contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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When I first danced, I couldn’t get the hey for weeks and weeks until someone drew a figure 8 with an extra loop on a blackboard for me. Then it all made sense.
For that reason, now, I keep a large hand-drawn with dark thick magic marker figure 8 with extra loop on a piece of stiff light paper (like a manilla folder thickness) that I can hold up and show briefly as I am teaching the figure. It doesn’t get everyone, but it gets people like me. There are always one or two -
“ahas” that I hear. I could never learn it from the pass this shoulder or that instruction. I needed the floor pattern. Everyone learns differently.
Martha
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 11:38:37 -0500
From: Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Callers] First composition! Has it been written?
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The Louisville Callers Collective, at our meet-up this past Sunday 3/1,
collaboratively wrote our first dance! I searched for homologous
choreography in ContraDB and The Callers Box, and to a reasonable extent
via Google, and couldn't find any extant dances. Anybody know of something
I missed?
[name pending]
hook: stompy A, circle > progress > circle B
by: *Louisville Callers Collective
<https://contradb.com/choreographers/330>*
formation: improper
A1 8
balance & petronella
8
balance & petronella
A2 8
balance & petronella
8
Partners swing
B1 8
Robins chain
8
circle right 4 places
B2 2
turn alone to face Next Neighbors =E2=81=8B
4
circle left 2 places
10
Neighbors swing
2020-03-01 Louisville Callers Collective meeting collaboration.
Co-coreographers: Bob Crawford, Callie Allison, Chet Gray, Elisabeth
Monica, John Murner, Nedra McNeil, Susan Pope.
We began with a blank whiteboard, and brainstormed some of our favorite
elements of dances, among them: circle > progress > circle, group balances,
good flow, swings with partner and neighbor. We then divided the whiteboard
into space for A1 A2 B1 B2, put a partner balance & swing in the B2, and
began expanding from there, diagramming where each dancer was after each
figure. Alright, what can go into a circle right? A right hand chain. Let's
put it after the partner swing. That trades the Robins' places, so circle
once around will put couples ready to progress to new neighbors. Circle
left from there. Now, where can we put a neighbor swing? Well, unless we
want to end it mid-phrase, either after the circle left or before the
partner balance and swing. We need to get partners to the same side for
that, so that might be awkward. Circle left into swing, then. Is this the
hand that flows into the swing? It is! How far, then? Oh, only circle
halfway. Not the usual, might need to emphasize that calling. Okay, now to
get the Larks across for the partner swing, and we have 16 counts to do it.
Hmm. Hey? Allemande? Petronellas move people around. Maybe with a give and
take? Petronella into a swing? Let's try it. Ah-ha!
We tested it out, with music, beginning in three different places: the
circle left, the chain, and the Petronellas. Each had some things we like
and disliked about the flow (and we named each rotated variation in
succession), but we thought that beginning with the Petronellas was the
most generally successful version.
Anyway, maybe it's been written before, maybe not. We're really proud of
our group (and, I think, rightfully so), which includes some brand new
rising callers. I look forward to seeing where we all go from here.
=E2=80=94 Chet Gray
dance caller
Louisville, KY
<chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
(502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The Louisville Callers Collective, at our meet-up thi=
s past Sunday 3/1, collaboratively wrote our first dance! I searched for ho=
mologous choreography in ContraDB and The Callers Box, and to a reasonable =
extent via Google, and couldn't find any extant dances. Anybody know of=
something I missed?</div><div><div class=3D"gmail-row" style=3D"box-sizing=
:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT Sans",sans-serif;=
font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div class=3D"gmail-col-x=
s-12" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;padding-right:15px;padd=
ing-left:15px;float:left;width:1170px"><h1 class=3D"gmail-dance-show-title"=
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-size:36px;margin:20px 0px 10px;font-fa=
mily:"PT Serif",serif;font-weight:500;line-height:1.1;color:inher=
it">[name pending]</h1></div></div><div class=3D"gmail-row" style=3D"box-si=
zing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT Sans",sans-se=
rif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div class=3D"gmail-c=
ol-sm-8 gmail-col-print-12" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;p=
adding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;float:left;width:780px"><p class=3D"gma=
il-dance-show-hook" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font=
-family:"PT Serif",serif">hook: stompy A,=C2=A0<span style=3D"box=
-sizing:border-box">circle</span>=C2=A0> progress >=C2=A0<span style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box">circle</span>=C2=A0B</p><p class=3D"gmail-dance-=
show-choreographer" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font=
-family:"PT Serif",serif">by:=C2=A0<strong style=3D"box-sizing:bo=
rder-box"><a href=3D"https://contradb.com/choreographers/330" style=3D"box-=
sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-d=
ecoration-line:none">Louisville Callers Collective</a></strong></p><p class=
=3D"gmail-dance-show-formation" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0=
px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif">formation: improper</p><div=
class=3D"gmail-dance-show-preamble" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-fa=
mily:"PT Serif",serif"><div class=3D"gmail-contra-markdown-block"=
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"></div></div><table class=3D"gmail-table gm=
ail-table-bordered gmail-table-condensed gmail-contra-table-nonfluid" style=
=3D"border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px;background-color:white;max-=
width:100%;margin-bottom:20px;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221);width:auto"=
><tbody style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"><tr class=3D"gmail-a1b1" style=3D"b=
ox-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-fam=
ily:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:=
5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221=
)">A1</td><td class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=3D"box-sizing:border-b=
ox;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bord=
er:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;pad=
ding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1p=
x;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div class=3D"gmail-sho=
w-figure" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",s=
erif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr><tr class=3D=
"gmail-a1b1" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,24=
3);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-siz=
ing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1p=
x solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;=
vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bord=
er-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)">=
<div class=3D"gmail-show-figure" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family=
:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella</div=
></td></tr><tr class=3D"gmail-a2b2" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.=
4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-=
box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb=
(221,221,221)">A2</td><td class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=3D"box-siz=
ing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-al=
ign:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:bo=
rder-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1p=
x 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div class=
=3D"gmail-show-figure" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT =
Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr=
><tr class=3D"gmail-a2b2" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-f=
amily:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;paddin=
g:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,2=
21)"></td><td class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=3D"box-sizing:border-b=
ox;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bord=
er:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;pad=
ding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1p=
x;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div class=3D"gmail-sho=
w-figure" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",s=
erif;padding-left:1em">Partners swing</div></td></tr><tr class=3D"gmail-a1b=
1" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1=
.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border=
-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rg=
b(221,221,221)">B1</td><td class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=3D"box-si=
zing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-a=
lign:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:b=
order-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1=
px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div class=
=3D"gmail-show-figure" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT =
Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Robins chain</div></td></tr><tr class=
=3D"gmail-a1b1" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243=
,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-=
sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border=
:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857=
;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"b=
ox-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bor=
der-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"=
><div class=3D"gmail-show-figure" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-famil=
y:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">circle right 4 places</div><=
/td></tr><tr class=3D"gmail-a2b2" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4e=
m;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-bo=
x;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(2=
21,221,221)">B2</td><td class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=3D"box-sizin=
g:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-alig=
n:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:bord=
er-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px =
0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div class=3D=
"gmail-show-figure" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Ser=
if",serif;padding-left:1em">turn alone to face=C2=A0<span style=3D"box=
-sizing:border-box">Next Neighbors</span>=C2=A0=E2=81=8B</div></td></tr><tr=
class=3D"gmail-a2b2" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-famil=
y:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5p=
x;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"=
></td><td class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;p=
adding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1=
px solid rgb(221,221,221)">4</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding=
:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;bo=
rder-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div class=3D"gmail-show-fi=
gure" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif=
;padding-left:1em">circle left 2 places</div></td></tr><tr class=3D"gmail-a=
2b2" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif&=
quot;,serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.4=
2857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td class=
=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text=
-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(22=
1,221,221)">10</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-heig=
ht:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:sol=
id;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div class=3D"gmail-show-figure" style=3D=
"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:=
1em">Neighbors swing</div></td></tr></tbody></table><div class=3D"gmail-dan=
ce-show-notes" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif&qu=
ot;,serif"><div class=3D"gmail-contra-markdown-block" style=3D"box-sizing:b=
order-box"><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">2020-03-0=
1 Louisville Callers Collective meeting collaboration.</p><p style=3D"box-s=
izing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">Co-coreographers: Bob Crawford, Calli=
e Allison, Chet Gray, Elisabeth Monica, John Murner, Nedra McNeil, Susan Po=
pe.</p></div></div></div></div></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">We b=
egan with a blank whiteboard, and brainstormed some of our favorite element=
s of dances, among them: circle > progress > circle, group balances, =
good flow, swings with partner and neighbor. We then divided the whiteboard=
into space for A1 A2 B1 B2, put a partner balance & swing in the B2, a=
nd began expanding from there, diagramming where each dancer was after each=
figure. Alright, what can go into a circle right? A right hand chain. Let&=
#39;s put it after the partner swing. That trades the Robins' places, s=
o circle once around will put couples ready to progress to new neighbors. C=
ircle left from there. Now, where can we put a neighbor swing? Well, unless=
we want to end it mid-phrase, either after the circle left or before the p=
artner balance and swing. We need to get partners to the same side for that=
, so that might be awkward. Circle left into swing, then. Is this the hand =
that flows into the swing? It is! How far, then? Oh, only circle halfway. N=
ot the usual, might need to emphasize that calling. Okay, now to get the La=
rks across for the partner swing, and we have 16 counts to do it. Hmm. Hey?=
Allemande? Petronellas move people around. Maybe with a give and take? Pet=
ronella into a swing? Let's try it. Ah-ha!</span></div><div style=3D"">=
<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style=3D""><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12.8px">We tested it out, with music, beginning in three di=
fferent places: the circle left, the chain, and the Petronellas. Each had s=
ome things we like and disliked about the flow (and we named each rotated v=
ariation in succession), but we=C2=A0thought that beginning with the Petron=
ellas was the most generally successful version.</span></div><div style=3D"=
"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style=3D""><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12.8px">Anyway, maybe it's been written before, maybe=
not. We're really proud of our group (and, I think, rightfully so), wh=
ich includes some brand new rising callers. I look forward to seeing where =
we all go from here.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=
=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=E2=80=94 Chet Gray</=
span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 dance calle=
r<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=
=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 Louisville, KY<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" sty=
le=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 <<a href=3D"mailto:chetgray+calling@gma=
il.com" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">chetgray+calling@g=
mail.com</a>><div>=E2=80=83=C2=A0<a href=3D"tel:+1-502-419-7008" value=
=3D"+15024197008" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">(502) 41=
9-7008</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:16:25 -0500
From: Gregory Frock <gregfrock(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
To: Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
Cc: contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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Hi Chet,
I probably missed something in the instructions, but it looks to me like
the dance is indecent (robins left, larks right facing up and down). Due to
a peculiarity of the choreography, it can start improper, but will end
indecent every time after that. Is that correct? Can anyone else confirm?
If I am correct, I would label the dance as "indecent" with a note that the
dance can start from improper or indecent position.
Regards,
Greg
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:39 AM Chet Gray via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> The Louisville Callers Collective, at our meet-up this past Sunday 3/1,
> collaboratively wrote our first dance! I searched for homologous
> choreography in ContraDB and The Callers Box, and to a reasonable extent
> via Google, and couldn't find any extant dances. Anybody know of somethin=
g
> I missed?
> [name pending]
>
> hook: stompy A, circle > progress > circle B
>
> by: *Louisville Callers Collective
> <https://contradb.com/choreographers/330>*
>
> formation: improper
> A1 8
> balance & petronella
> 8
> balance & petronella
> A2 8
> balance & petronella
> 8
> Partners swing
> B1 8
> Robins chain
> 8
> circle right 4 places
> B2 2
> turn alone to face Next Neighbors =E2=81=8B
> 4
> circle left 2 places
> 10
> Neighbors swing
>
> 2020-03-01 Louisville Callers Collective meeting collaboration.
>
> Co-coreographers: Bob Crawford, Callie Allison, Chet Gray, Elisabeth
> Monica, John Murner, Nedra McNeil, Susan Pope.
>
> We began with a blank whiteboard, and brainstormed some of our favorite
> elements of dances, among them: circle > progress > circle, group balance=
s,
> good flow, swings with partner and neighbor. We then divided the whiteboa=
rd
> into space for A1 A2 B1 B2, put a partner balance & swing in the B2, and
> began expanding from there, diagramming where each dancer was after each
> figure. Alright, what can go into a circle right? A right hand chain. Let=
's
> put it after the partner swing. That trades the Robins' places, so circle
> once around will put couples ready to progress to new neighbors. Circle
> left from there. Now, where can we put a neighbor swing? Well, unless we
> want to end it mid-phrase, either after the circle left or before the
> partner balance and swing. We need to get partners to the same side for
> that, so that might be awkward. Circle left into swing, then. Is this the
> hand that flows into the swing? It is! How far, then? Oh, only circle
> halfway. Not the usual, might need to emphasize that calling. Okay, now t=
o
> get the Larks across for the partner swing, and we have 16 counts to do i=
t.
> Hmm. Hey? Allemande? Petronellas move people around. Maybe with a give an=
d
> take? Petronella into a swing? Let's try it. Ah-ha!
>
> We tested it out, with music, beginning in three different places: the
> circle left, the chain, and the Petronellas. Each had some things we like
> and disliked about the flow (and we named each rotated variation in
> succession), but we thought that beginning with the Petronellas was the
> most generally successful version.
>
> Anyway, maybe it's been written before, maybe not. We're really proud of
> our group (and, I think, rightfully so), which includes some brand new
> rising callers. I look forward to seeing where we all go from here.
>
> =E2=80=94 Chet Gray
> dance caller
> Louisville, KY
> <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
> (502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Chet,<br><br>I probably missed something in the instruc=
tions, but it looks to me like the dance is indecent (robins left, larks ri=
ght facing up and down). Due to a peculiarity of the choreography, it can s=
tart improper, but will end indecent every time after that. Is that correct=
? Can anyone=C2=A0else confirm?<br><br>If I am correct, I would label the=
=C2=A0dance as "indecent" with a note that the dance can start fr=
om improper or indecent position.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Greg</div><br><div=
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 3,=
2020 at 11:39 AM Chet Gray via Contra Callers <<a href=3D"mailto:contra=
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net">contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>>=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div>The Louisville Callers Collective, at our meet-up this past =
Sunday 3/1, collaboratively wrote our first dance! I searched for homologou=
s choreography in ContraDB and The Callers Box, and to a reasonable extent =
via Google, and couldn't find any extant dances. Anybody know of someth=
ing I missed?</div><div><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51=
,51);font-family:"PT Sans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-c=
olor:rgb(250,247,224)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;p=
adding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;float:left;width:1170px"><h1 style=3D"b=
ox-sizing:border-box;font-size:36px;margin:20px 0px 10px;font-family:"=
PT Serif",serif;font-weight:500;line-height:1.1;color:inherit">[name p=
ending]</h1></div></div><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51=
,51);font-family:"PT Sans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-c=
olor:rgb(250,247,224)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;p=
adding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;float:left;width:780px"><p style=3D"box=
-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",ser=
if">hook: stompy A,=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box">circle</span=
>=C2=A0> progress >=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box">circle=
</span>=C2=A0B</p><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;fon=
t-family:"PT Serif",serif">by:=C2=A0<strong style=3D"box-sizing:b=
order-box"><a href=3D"https://contradb.com/choreographers/330" style=3D"box=
-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-=
decoration-line:none" target=3D"_blank">Louisville Callers Collective</a></=
strong></p><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-famil=
y:"PT Serif",serif">formation: improper</p><div style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><div style=3D"box-siz=
ing:border-box"></div></div><table style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;border=
-spacing:0px;background-color:white;max-width:100%;margin-bottom:20px;borde=
r:1px solid rgb(221,221,221);width:auto"><tbody style=3D"box-sizing:border-=
box"><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);w=
idth:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:=
border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px so=
lid rgb(221,221,221)">A1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px=
;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid r=
gb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-=
height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style=
:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;f=
ont-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petro=
nella</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rg=
b(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:t=
op;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-b=
ox;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bord=
er:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;pad=
ding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1p=
x;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizin=
g:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balan=
ce & petronella</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width=
:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:bord=
er-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid =
rgb(221,221,221)">A2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;tex=
t-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(2=
21,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-heig=
ht:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:sol=
id;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-=
family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronell=
a</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family=
:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px=
;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">=
</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-h=
eight:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><=
td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-=
align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(=
221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Seri=
f",serif;padding-left:1em">Partners swing</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"=
box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-fa=
mily:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding=
:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,22=
1)">B1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;=
line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8=
</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;ver=
tical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-colo=
r:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"P=
T Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Robins chain</div></td></tr><tr style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;fon=
t-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;pad=
ding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,22=
1,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:righ=
t;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"=
>8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;v=
ertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-co=
lor:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"=
;PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">circle right 4 places</div></td></t=
r><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif=
",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.=
42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">B2</td><td styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857=
;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">2</td><td style=3D"b=
ox-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bor=
der-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"=
><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif=
;padding-left:1em">turn alone to face=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border=
-box">Next Neighbors</span>=C2=A0=E2=81=8B</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-=
sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td s=
tyle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-alig=
n:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:borde=
r-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;b=
order:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">4</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;=
padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px=
1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-si=
zing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">ci=
rcle left 2 places</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:=
1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:borde=
r-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid r=
gb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-a=
lign:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,=
221,221)">10</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height=
:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid=
;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-fa=
mily:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Neighbors swing</div></td=
></tr></tbody></table><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"=
;PT Serif",serif"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"><p style=3D"box=
-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">2020-03-01 Louisville Callers Colle=
ctive meeting collaboration.</p><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0p=
x 0px 10px">Co-coreographers: Bob Crawford, Callie Allison, Chet Gray, Elis=
abeth Monica, John Murner, Nedra McNeil, Susan Pope.</p></div></div></div><=
/div></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">We began with a blank white=
board, and brainstormed some of our favorite elements of dances, among them=
: circle > progress > circle, group balances, good flow, swings with =
partner and neighbor. We then divided the whiteboard into space for A1 A2 B=
1 B2, put a partner balance & swing in the B2, and began expanding from=
there, diagramming where each dancer was after each figure. Alright, what =
can go into a circle right? A right hand chain. Let's put it after the =
partner swing. That trades the Robins' places, so circle once around wi=
ll put couples ready to progress to new neighbors. Circle left from there. =
Now, where can we put a neighbor swing? Well, unless we want to end it mid-=
phrase, either after the circle left or before the partner balance and swin=
g. We need to get partners to the same side for that, so that might be awkw=
ard. Circle left into swing, then. Is this the hand that flows into the swi=
ng? It is! How far, then? Oh, only circle halfway. Not the usual, might nee=
d to emphasize that calling. Okay, now to get the Larks across for the part=
ner swing, and we have 16 counts to do it. Hmm. Hey? Allemande? Petronellas=
move people around. Maybe with a give and take? Petronella into a swing? L=
et's try it. Ah-ha!</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><=
br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">We tested it out, wit=
h music, beginning in three different places: the circle left, the chain, a=
nd the Petronellas. Each had some things we like and disliked about the flo=
w (and we named each rotated variation in succession), but we=C2=A0thought =
that beginning with the Petronellas was the most generally successful versi=
on.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Anyway, maybe it's been written befor=
e, maybe not. We're really proud of our group (and, I think, rightfully=
so), which includes some brand new rising callers. I look forward to seein=
g where we all go from here.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-siz=
e:small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=E2=80=94 Chet =
Gray</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 dance=
caller<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 Louisville, KY<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 <<a href=3D"mailto:chetgray+calling=
@gmail.com" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">chetgray+calli=
ng(a)gmail.com</a>><div>=E2=80=83=C2=A0<a href=3D"tel:+1-502-419-7008" val=
ue=3D"+15024197008" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">(502) =
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:22:11 -0500
From: Becky Liddle <beckyliddle(a)bell.net>
Subject: [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
To: Martha Wild <mawild(a)sbcglobal.net>
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I=E2=80=99m with you, Martha!
All that =E2=80=9Cravens pass left, neighbours pass right=E2=80=9D stuff =
is just noise to me (and always was, even as a new dancer)=E2=80=94I =
always wondered who they were talking to up there=E2=80=94I couldn=E2=80=99=
t imagine how anyone could process all that information coming at them =
like a machine gun!). I just needed the floor pattern and I was fine. =
Personally I=E2=80=99ve settled on =E2=80=9Ceveryone passes by right =
shoulders when in middle of the set and everyone passes by left =
shoulders on the sides=E2=80=9D as a compromise between too much info =
vs. too little. But I like the drawing of the floor pattern idea as a =
quick adjunct for the visual learners out there like me. I toyed for a =
while with bringing a fan belt (rubber loop) and crossing it in the =
middle to show the weaving pattern, but magic marker on manilla folder =
is considerably more practical! :-)
Yes, everyone learns differently, so it=E2=80=99s helpful to teach it in =
more than one way.
Thanks, everyone, for all the useful suggestions!
Becky (Toronto)
> On Mar 3, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Martha Wild via Contra Callers =
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
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> When I first danced, I couldn=E2=80=99t get the hey for weeks and =
weeks until someone drew a figure 8 with an extra loop on a blackboard =
for me. Then it all made sense.=20
>=20
> For that reason, now, I keep a large hand-drawn with dark thick magic =
marker figure 8 with extra loop on a piece of stiff light paper (like a =
manilla folder thickness) that I can hold up and show briefly as I am =
teaching the figure. It doesn=E2=80=99t get everyone, but it gets people =
like me. There are always one or two -=20
> =E2=80=9Cahas=E2=80=9D that I hear. I could never learn it from the =
pass this shoulder or that instruction. I needed the floor pattern. =
Everyone learns differently.
>=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I=E2=80=
=99m with you, Martha!<div class=3D"">All that =E2=80=9Cravens pass =
left, neighbours pass right=E2=80=9D stuff is just noise to me (and =
always was, even as a new dancer)=E2=80=94I always wondered who they =
were talking to up there=E2=80=94I couldn=E2=80=99t imagine how anyone =
could process all that information coming at them like a machine gun!). =
I just needed the floor pattern and I was fine. Personally I=E2=80=99ve =
settled on =E2=80=9C<u class=3D"">everyone</u> passes by right shoulders =
when in middle of the set and everyone passes by left shoulders on the =
sides=E2=80=9D as a compromise between too much info vs. too little. But =
I like the drawing of the floor pattern idea as a quick adjunct for the =
visual learners out there like me. I toyed for a while with bringing a =
fan belt (rubber loop) and crossing it in the middle to show the weaving =
pattern, but magic marker on manilla folder is considerably more =
practical! :-)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Yes, everyone learns differently, so it=E2=80=99s helpful to =
teach it in more than one way.</div><div class=3D"">Thanks, everyone, =
for all the useful suggestions!</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Becky (Toronto)</div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar =
3, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Martha Wild via Contra Callers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net" =
class=3D"">contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">When =
I first danced, I couldn=E2=80=99t get the hey for weeks and weeks until =
someone drew a figure 8 with an extra loop on a blackboard for me. Then =
it all made sense. <br class=3D""><br class=3D"">For that reason, now, I =
keep a large hand-drawn with dark thick magic marker figure 8 with extra =
loop on a piece of stiff light paper (like a manilla folder thickness) =
that I can hold up and show briefly as I am teaching the figure. It =
doesn=E2=80=99t get everyone, but it gets people like me. There are =
always one or two - <br class=3D"">=E2=80=9Cahas=E2=80=9D that I hear. I =
could never learn it from the pass this shoulder or that instruction. I =
needed the floor pattern. Everyone learns differently.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Martha<br =
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:35:26 -0500
From: Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
To: Gregory Frock <gregfrock(a)gmail.com>
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Whoops, you're entirely correct, Greg, thanks for the correction, I
neglected to change the formation after I rotated the sequence. It is
indecent, and it could indeed begin either indecent or improper.
=E2=80=94 Chet Gray
dance caller
Louisville, KY
<chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
(502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:16 PM Gregory Frock via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Hi Chet,
>
> I probably missed something in the instructions, but it looks to me like
> the dance is indecent (robins left, larks right facing up and down). Due =
to
> a peculiarity of the choreography, it can start improper, but will end
> indecent every time after that. Is that correct? Can anyone else confirm?
>
> If I am correct, I would label the dance as "indecent" with a note that
> the dance can start from improper or indecent position.
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Whoops, you're entirely correct, Greg=
, thanks for the correction,=C2=A0I neglected to change the formation after=
I rotated the sequence. It is indecent, and it could indeed begin either i=
ndecent or improper. <div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-smar=
tmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=E2=80=
=94 Chet Gray</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=
=83 dance caller<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 Louisville, KY<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 <<a href=3D"mailto:chetgr=
ay+calling(a)gmail.com" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">chet=
gray+calling(a)gmail.com</a>><div>=E2=80=83=C2=A0<a href=3D"tel:+1-502-419=
-7008" value=3D"+15024197008" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_bla=
nk">(502) 419-7008</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:16 PM Gregory Frock via Contra Callers <<a href=
=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net" target=3D"_blank">contraca=
llers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Chet,<br><br>I probably mis=
sed something in the instructions, but it looks to me like the dance is ind=
ecent (robins left, larks right facing up and down). Due to a peculiarity o=
f the choreography, it can start improper, but will end indecent every time=
after that. Is that correct? Can anyone=C2=A0else confirm?<br><br>If I am =
correct, I would label the=C2=A0dance as "indecent" with a note t=
hat the dance can start from improper or indecent position.<br><br>Regards,=
<br><br>Greg</div>
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 13:12:08 -0500
From: Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
To: Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
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I realized it does bear some similarity to "Don't Think, Dance" by Tavi
Merrill:
Don't Think, Dance
by: *Tavi Merrill <https://contradb.com/choreographers/69>*
formation: indecent
A1 8
balance & petronella directly into...
8
Partners swing
A2 8
Robins chain
8
Robins start a half hey - rights in center, lefts on ends - look away to Ne=
xt
Neighbors =E2=81=8B
B1 16
Next Neighbors balance & swing - join hands four
B2 8
balance & petronella
8
balance & petronella
Similar intentions, different starting place, different progression.
=E2=80=94 Chet Gray
dance caller
Louisville, KY
<chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
(502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:39 AM Chet Gray via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> The Louisville Callers Collective, at our meet-up this past Sunday 3/1,
> collaboratively wrote our first dance! I searched for homologous
> choreography in ContraDB and The Callers Box, and to a reasonable extent
> via Google, and couldn't find any extant dances. Anybody know of somethin=
g
> I missed?
> [name pending]
>
> hook: stompy A, circle > progress > circle B
>
> by: *Louisville Callers Collective
> <https://contradb.com/choreographers/330>*
>
> formation: improper
> A1 8
> balance & petronella
> 8
> balance & petronella
> A2 8
> balance & petronella
> 8
> Partners swing
> B1 8
> Robins chain
> 8
> circle right 4 places
> B2 2
> turn alone to face Next Neighbors =E2=81=8B
> 4
> circle left 2 places
> 10
> Neighbors swing
>
> 2020-03-01 Louisville Callers Collective meeting collaboration.
>
> Co-coreographers: Bob Crawford, Callie Allison, Chet Gray, Elisabeth
> Monica, John Murner, Nedra McNeil, Susan Pope.
>
> We began with a blank whiteboard, and brainstormed some of our favorite
> elements of dances, among them: circle > progress > circle, group balance=
s,
> good flow, swings with partner and neighbor. We then divided the whiteboa=
rd
> into space for A1 A2 B1 B2, put a partner balance & swing in the B2, and
> began expanding from there, diagramming where each dancer was after each
> figure. Alright, what can go into a circle right? A right hand chain. Let=
's
> put it after the partner swing. That trades the Robins' places, so circle
> once around will put couples ready to progress to new neighbors. Circle
> left from there. Now, where can we put a neighbor swing? Well, unless we
> want to end it mid-phrase, either after the circle left or before the
> partner balance and swing. We need to get partners to the same side for
> that, so that might be awkward. Circle left into swing, then. Is this the
> hand that flows into the swing? It is! How far, then? Oh, only circle
> halfway. Not the usual, might need to emphasize that calling. Okay, now t=
o
> get the Larks across for the partner swing, and we have 16 counts to do i=
t.
> Hmm. Hey? Allemande? Petronellas move people around. Maybe with a give an=
d
> take? Petronella into a swing? Let's try it. Ah-ha!
>
> We tested it out, with music, beginning in three different places: the
> circle left, the chain, and the Petronellas. Each had some things we like
> and disliked about the flow (and we named each rotated variation in
> succession), but we thought that beginning with the Petronellas was the
> most generally successful version.
>
> Anyway, maybe it's been written before, maybe not. We're really proud of
> our group (and, I think, rightfully so), which includes some brand new
> rising callers. I look forward to seeing where we all go from here.
>
> =E2=80=94 Chet Gray
> dance caller
> Louisville, KY
> <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
> (502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I realized it does bear some similarity to "Don&=
#39;t Think, Dance" by Tavi Merrill:</div><div><div class=3D"gmail-row=
" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT S=
ans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div=
class=3D"gmail-col-xs-12" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;pa=
dding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;float:left;width:1170px"><h1 class=3D"gm=
ail-dance-show-title" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-size:36px;margin:=
20px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;font-weight:500;line-h=
eight:1.1;color:inherit">Don't Think, Dance</h1></div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail-row" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-fami=
ly:"PT Sans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(250,2=
47,224)"><div class=3D"gmail-col-sm-8 gmail-col-print-12" style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;min-height:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;float:lef=
t;width:780px"><p class=3D"gmail-dance-show-choreographer" style=3D"box-siz=
ing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif">=
by:=C2=A0<strong style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"><a href=3D"https://contrad=
b.com/choreographers/69" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:tr=
ansparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none">Tavi Merrill</a>=
</strong></p><p class=3D"gmail-dance-show-formation" style=3D"box-sizing:bo=
rder-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif">format=
ion: indecent</p><div class=3D"gmail-dance-show-preamble" style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><div class=3D"gmail-c=
ontra-markdown-block" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"></div></div><table cl=
ass=3D"gmail-table gmail-table-bordered gmail-table-condensed gmail-contra-=
table-nonfluid" style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px;backgr=
ound-color:white;max-width:100%;margin-bottom:20px;border:1px solid rgb(221=
,221,221);width:auto"><tbody style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"><tr class=3D"g=
mail-a1b1" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243)=
;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizin=
g:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px =
solid rgb(221,221,221)">A1</td><td class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;=
vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bord=
er-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)">=
<div class=3D"gmail-show-figure" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family=
:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella dire=
ctly into...</div></td></tr><tr class=3D"gmail-a1b1" style=3D"box-sizing:bo=
rder-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT=
Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-hei=
ght:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td =
class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px=
;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid r=
gb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-=
height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style=
:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div class=3D"gmail-show-figure" styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-l=
eft:1em">Partners swing</div></td></tr><tr class=3D"gmail-a2b2" style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td=
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-al=
ign:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">A2</td><td class=3D"gmail-dance-=
show-beats" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;lin=
e-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</t=
d><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertic=
al-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:r=
gb(221,221,221)"><div class=3D"gmail-show-figure" style=3D"box-sizing:borde=
r-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Robins chain=
</div></td></tr><tr class=3D"gmail-a2b2" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;wid=
th:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:bo=
rder-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px soli=
d rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=3D"box-=
sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical=
-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing=
:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width=
:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail-show-figure" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"P=
T Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Robins start a half hey - rights in c=
enter, lefts on ends - look away to=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-b=
ox">Next Neighbors</span>=C2=A0=E2=81=8B</div></td></tr><tr class=3D"gmail-=
a1b1 gmail-dance-show-long-figure" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;backgroun=
d-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif=
"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertic=
al-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">B1</td><td class=3D"gmail-d=
ance-show-beats" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:righ=
t;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"=
>16</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;=
vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-c=
olor:rgb(221,221,221)"><div class=3D"gmail-show-figure" style=3D"box-sizing=
:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Next N=
eighbors balance & swing - join hands four</div></td></tr><tr class=3D"=
gmail-a2b2" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT=
Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-hei=
ght:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">B2</td><t=
d class=3D"gmail-dance-show-beats" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5=
px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid=
rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;lin=
e-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-sty=
le:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div class=3D"gmail-show-figure" st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding=
-left:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr><tr class=3D"gmail-a2b2"=
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif"=
;,serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857=
;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td class=3D"gm=
ail-dance-show-beats" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align=
:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,=
221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42=
857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;bord=
er-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div class=3D"gmail-show-figure" style=3D"box-si=
zing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">ba=
lance & petronella</div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div><di=
v><br></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signatur=
e" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v style=3D"font-size:small">Similar intentions, d<span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.8px">ifferent starting place, different progression.</span></div><div sty=
le=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=
=E2=80=94 Chet Gray</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=
=E2=80=83 dance caller<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 Louisville, KY<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 <<a href=3D"mailto:c=
hetgray+calling(a)gmail.com" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank"=
>chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com</a>><div>=E2=80=83=C2=A0<a href=3D"tel:+1-50=
2-419-7008" value=3D"+15024197008" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D=
"_blank">(502) 419-7008</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, =
Mar 3, 2020 at 11:39 AM Chet Gray via Contra Callers <<a href=3D"mailto:=
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net">contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net<=
/a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The Louisville Callers Collective, at our meet-up this=
past Sunday 3/1, collaboratively wrote our first dance! I searched for hom=
ologous choreography in ContraDB and The Callers Box, and to a reasonable e=
xtent via Google, and couldn't find any extant dances. Anybody know of =
something I missed?</div><div><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb=
(51,51,51);font-family:"PT Sans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-height=
:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;float:left;width:1170px"><h1 styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-size:36px;margin:20px 0px 10px;font-family:=
"PT Serif",serif;font-weight:500;line-height:1.1;color:inherit">[=
name pending]</h1></div></div><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb=
(51,51,51);font-family:"PT Sans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-height=
:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;float:left;width:780px"><p style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif&qu=
ot;,serif">hook: stompy A,=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box">circl=
e</span>=C2=A0> progress >=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"=
>circle</span>=C2=A0B</p><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 1=
0px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif">by:=C2=A0<strong style=3D"box-s=
izing:border-box"><a href=3D"https://contradb.com/choreographers/330" style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183=
);text-decoration-line:none" target=3D"_blank">Louisville Callers Collectiv=
e</a></strong></p><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;fon=
t-family:"PT Serif",serif">formation: improper</p><div style=3D"b=
ox-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><div style=3D"=
box-sizing:border-box"></div></div><table style=3D"border-collapse:collapse=
;border-spacing:0px;background-color:white;max-width:100%;margin-bottom:20p=
x;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221);width:auto"><tbody style=3D"box-sizing:=
border-box"><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243=
,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-=
sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border=
:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">A1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padd=
ing:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px =
solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5p=
x;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;borde=
r-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:borde=
r-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance &=
; petronella</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-c=
olor:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><=
td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-=
align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:b=
order-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:t=
op;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-=
box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px=
1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em=
">balance & petronella</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-bo=
x;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px=
solid rgb(221,221,221)">A2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:=
5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px soli=
d rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;li=
ne-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-st=
yle:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-bo=
x;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & pe=
tronella</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font=
-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padd=
ing:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221=
,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right=
;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">=
8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;ve=
rtical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-col=
or:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"=
PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Partners swing</div></td></tr><tr st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;=
font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;=
padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221=
,221,221)">B1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align=
:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,=
221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42=
857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;bord=
er-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:=
"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Robins chain</div></td></tr><t=
r style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.=
4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-=
box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb=
(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-ali=
gn:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,22=
1,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.=
42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;bo=
rder-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-famil=
y:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">circle right 4 places</div><=
/td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"P=
T Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-he=
ight:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">B2</td><=
td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:=
1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">2</td><td sty=
le=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:=
top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,22=
1,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif"=
;,serif;padding-left:1em">turn alone to face=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing=
:border-box">Next Neighbors</span>=C2=A0=E2=81=8B</div></td></tr><tr style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",seri=
f"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;verti=
cal-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-ali=
gn:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">4</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:bor=
der-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px=
0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-le=
ft:1em">circle left 2 places</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-=
box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-si=
zing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1=
px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:=
5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px soli=
d rgb(221,221,221)">10</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;l=
ine-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-s=
tyle:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-b=
ox;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Neighbors swing=
</div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-fa=
mily:"PT Serif",serif"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"><p st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">2020-03-01 Louisville Cal=
lers Collective meeting collaboration.</p><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box=
;margin:0px 0px 10px">Co-coreographers: Bob Crawford, Callie Allison, Chet =
Gray, Elisabeth Monica, John Murner, Nedra McNeil, Susan Pope.</p></div></d=
iv></div></div></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">We began with a b=
lank whiteboard, and brainstormed some of our favorite elements of dances, =
among them: circle > progress > circle, group balances, good flow, sw=
ings with partner and neighbor. We then divided the whiteboard into space f=
or A1 A2 B1 B2, put a partner balance & swing in the B2, and began expa=
nding from there, diagramming where each dancer was after each figure. Alri=
ght, what can go into a circle right? A right hand chain. Let's put it =
after the partner swing. That trades the Robins' places, so circle once=
around will put couples ready to progress to new neighbors. Circle left fr=
om there. Now, where can we put a neighbor swing? Well, unless we want to e=
nd it mid-phrase, either after the circle left or before the partner balanc=
e and swing. We need to get partners to the same side for that, so that mig=
ht be awkward. Circle left into swing, then. Is this the hand that flows in=
to the swing? It is! How far, then? Oh, only circle halfway. Not the usual,=
might need to emphasize that calling. Okay, now to get the Larks across fo=
r the partner swing, and we have 16 counts to do it. Hmm. Hey? Allemande? P=
etronellas move people around. Maybe with a give and take? Petronella into =
a swing? Let's try it. Ah-ha!</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size=
:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">We tested i=
t out, with music, beginning in three different places: the circle left, th=
e chain, and the Petronellas. Each had some things we like and disliked abo=
ut the flow (and we named each rotated variation in succession), but we=C2=
=A0thought that beginning with the Petronellas was the most generally succe=
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 20:21:16 +0000
From: Erik Hoffman <erik(a)erikhoffman.com>
Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
To: Shared Weight - Contra Callers
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 15:33:15 -0500
From: Hal Bronk <hal.bronk(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
To: Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
Cc: contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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It bears some similarity, but it is different enough to be its own dance. I
like it!
Hal
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 1:13 PM Chet Gray via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> I realized it does bear some similarity to "Don't Think, Dance" by Tavi
> Merrill:
> Don't Think, Dance
>
> by: *Tavi Merrill <https://contradb.com/choreographers/69>*
>
> formation: indecent
> A1 8
> balance & petronella directly into...
> 8
> Partners swing
> A2 8
> Robins chain
> 8
> Robins start a half hey - rights in center, lefts on ends - look away to =
Next
> Neighbors =E2=81=8B
> B1 16
> Next Neighbors balance & swing - join hands four
> B2 8
> balance & petronella
> 8
> balance & petronella
>
>
> Similar intentions, different starting place, different progression.
>
> =E2=80=94 Chet Gray
> dance caller
> Louisville, KY
> <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
> (502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:39 AM Chet Gray via Contra Callers <
> contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> The Louisville Callers Collective, at our meet-up this past Sunday 3/1,
>> collaboratively wrote our first dance! I searched for homologous
>> choreography in ContraDB and The Callers Box, and to a reasonable extent
>> via Google, and couldn't find any extant dances. Anybody know of somethi=
ng
>> I missed?
>> [name pending]
>>
>> hook: stompy A, circle > progress > circle B
>>
>> by: *Louisville Callers Collective
>> <https://contradb.com/choreographers/330>*
>>
>> formation: improper
>> A1 8
>> balance & petronella
>> 8
>> balance & petronella
>> A2 8
>> balance & petronella
>> 8
>> Partners swing
>> B1 8
>> Robins chain
>> 8
>> circle right 4 places
>> B2 2
>> turn alone to face Next Neighbors =E2=81=8B
>> 4
>> circle left 2 places
>> 10
>> Neighbors swing
>>
>> 2020-03-01 Louisville Callers Collective meeting collaboration.
>>
>> Co-coreographers: Bob Crawford, Callie Allison, Chet Gray, Elisabeth
>> Monica, John Murner, Nedra McNeil, Susan Pope.
>>
>> We began with a blank whiteboard, and brainstormed some of our favorite
>> elements of dances, among them: circle > progress > circle, group balanc=
es,
>> good flow, swings with partner and neighbor. We then divided the whitebo=
ard
>> into space for A1 A2 B1 B2, put a partner balance & swing in the B2, and
>> began expanding from there, diagramming where each dancer was after each
>> figure. Alright, what can go into a circle right? A right hand chain. Le=
t's
>> put it after the partner swing. That trades the Robins' places, so circl=
e
>> once around will put couples ready to progress to new neighbors. Circle
>> left from there. Now, where can we put a neighbor swing? Well, unless we
>> want to end it mid-phrase, either after the circle left or before the
>> partner balance and swing. We need to get partners to the same side for
>> that, so that might be awkward. Circle left into swing, then. Is this th=
e
>> hand that flows into the swing? It is! How far, then? Oh, only circle
>> halfway. Not the usual, might need to emphasize that calling. Okay, now =
to
>> get the Larks across for the partner swing, and we have 16 counts to do =
it.
>> Hmm. Hey? Allemande? Petronellas move people around. Maybe with a give a=
nd
>> take? Petronella into a swing? Let's try it. Ah-ha!
>>
>> We tested it out, with music, beginning in three different places: the
>> circle left, the chain, and the Petronellas. Each had some things we lik=
e
>> and disliked about the flow (and we named each rotated variation in
>> succession), but we thought that beginning with the Petronellas was the
>> most generally successful version.
>>
>> Anyway, maybe it's been written before, maybe not. We're really proud of
>> our group (and, I think, rightfully so), which includes some brand new
>> rising callers. I look forward to seeing where we all go from here.
>>
>> =E2=80=94 Chet Gray
>> dance caller
>> Louisville, KY
>> <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
>> (502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>It bears some similarity, but it is different enough=
to be its own dance. I like it!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Hal<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 1:13 PM Chet Gray via Contra C=
allers <<a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net">contraca=
llers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I realized it does bear some similarity to &=
quot;Don't Think, Dance" by Tavi Merrill:</div><div><div style=3D"=
box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT Sans",s=
ans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div style=3D"b=
ox-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;fl=
oat:left;width:1170px"><h1 style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-size:36px;ma=
rgin:20px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;font-weight:500;l=
ine-height:1.1;color:inherit">Don't Think, Dance</h1></div></div><div s=
tyle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT Sans=
",sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-left=
:15px;float:left;width:780px"><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px =
0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif">by:=C2=A0<strong style=3D"=
box-sizing:border-box"><a href=3D"https://contradb.com/choreographers/69" s=
tyle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122=
,183);text-decoration-line:none" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Tavi =
Merrill</a></strong></p><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10=
px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif">formation: indecent</p><div styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><div sty=
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box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bor=
der:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;pa=
dding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1=
px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">bala=
nce & petronella directly into...</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizin=
g:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:&quo=
t;PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line=
-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td>=
<td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height=
:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align=
:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,2=
21,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif&quo=
t;,serif;padding-left:1em">Partners swing</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-s=
izing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align=
:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">A2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:bord=
er-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;=
border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box=
;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1p=
x 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-s=
izing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">R=
obins chain</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;f=
ont-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;p=
adding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,=
221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:ri=
ght;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221=
)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857=
;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-=
color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:&qu=
ot;PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Robins start a half hey - rights =
in center, lefts on ends - look away to=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:bord=
er-box">Next Neighbors</span>=C2=A0=E2=81=8B</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-fami=
ly:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5=
px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)=
">B1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;li=
ne-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">16<=
/td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vert=
ical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color=
:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT=
Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Next Neighbors balance & swing - j=
oin hands four</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4e=
m;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-bo=
x;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(2=
21,221,221)">B2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-ali=
gn:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,22=
1,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.=
42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;bo=
rder-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-famil=
y:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella</di=
v></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:&quo=
t;PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line=
-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td>=
<td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height=
:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align=
:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,2=
21,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif&quo=
t;,serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr></tbody>=
</table></div></div></div><div><br></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div style=3D"font-size:small">Similar intentions, d<span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.8px">ifferent starting place, different progression.</span></div><div =
style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px=
">=E2=80=94 Chet Gray</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small=
">=E2=80=83 dance caller<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 Louisville, KY<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 <<a href=3D"mailto=
:chetgray+calling@gmail.com" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"noreferrer">chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com</a>><div>=E2=80=83=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"tel:+1-502-419-7008" value=3D"+15024197008" style=3D"color:rg=
b(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">(502) 419-7008</a></div>=
</div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:39 AM Chet Gray=
via Contra Callers <<a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.=
net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.=
net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The Louisville Callers Collective, at our meet-up =
this past Sunday 3/1, collaboratively wrote our first dance! I searched for=
homologous choreography in ContraDB and The Callers Box, and to a reasonab=
le extent via Google, and couldn't find any extant dances. Anybody know=
of something I missed?</div><div><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT Sans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;ba=
ckground-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-he=
ight:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;float:left;width:1170px"><h1 =
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-size:36px;margin:20px 0px 10px;font-fam=
ily:"PT Serif",serif;font-weight:500;line-height:1.1;color:inheri=
t">[name pending]</h1></div></div><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT Sans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;ba=
ckground-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-he=
ight:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;float:left;width:780px"><p st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif=
",serif">hook: stompy A,=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box">ci=
rcle</span>=C2=A0> progress >=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-b=
ox">circle</span>=C2=A0B</p><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0p=
x 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif">by:=C2=A0<strong style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box"><a href=3D"https://contradb.com/choreographers/330" st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,=
183);text-decoration-line:none" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Louisv=
ille Callers Collective</a></strong></p><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;m=
argin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif">formation: impro=
per</p><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif"=
,serif"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"></div></div><table style=3D"bo=
rder-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px;background-color:white;max-width:=
100%;margin-bottom:20px;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221);width:auto"><tbod=
y style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",se=
rif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;ver=
tical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">A1</td><td style=3D"box-=
sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical=
-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing=
:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width=
:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div sty=
le=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-=
left:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:b=
order-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"P=
T Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-he=
ight:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td=
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.=
42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:to=
p;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,=
221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",=
serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr><tr style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",seri=
f"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;verti=
cal-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">A2</td><td style=3D"box-si=
zing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-a=
lign:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:b=
order-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1=
px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-le=
ft:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:bor=
der-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bord=
er:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padd=
ing:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px =
solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5p=
x;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;borde=
r-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:borde=
r-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Partners swi=
ng</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(2=
43,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:to=
p;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">B1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-=
box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bor=
der:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;pa=
dding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1=
px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Robi=
ns chain</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color=
:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td s=
tyle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-alig=
n:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:borde=
r-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;b=
order:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;=
padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px=
1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-si=
zing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">ci=
rcle right 4 places</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width=
:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:bord=
er-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid =
rgb(221,221,221)">B2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;tex=
t-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(2=
21,221,221)">2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-heig=
ht:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:sol=
id;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-=
family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">turn alone to face=C2=
=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box">Next Neighbors</span>=C2=A0=E2=81=
=8B</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-fami=
ly:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5=
px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)=
"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line=
-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">4</td=
><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertica=
l-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rg=
b(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Se=
rif",serif;padding-left:1em">circle left 2 places</div></td></tr><tr s=
tyle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",=
serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;v=
ertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-=
sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical=
-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">10</td><td style=3D"box-sizin=
g:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-widt=
h:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding=
-left:1em">Neighbors swing</div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style=3D"box=
-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><div style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box"><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px"=
>2020-03-01 Louisville Callers Collective meeting collaboration.</p><p styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">Co-coreographers: Bob Crawf=
ord, Callie Allison, Chet Gray, Elisabeth Monica, John Murner, Nedra McNeil=
, Susan Pope.</p></div></div></div></div></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"font-size=
:12.8px">We began with a blank whiteboard, and brainstormed some of our fav=
orite elements of dances, among them: circle > progress > circle, gro=
up balances, good flow, swings with partner and neighbor. We then divided t=
he whiteboard into space for A1 A2 B1 B2, put a partner balance & swing=
in the B2, and began expanding from there, diagramming where each dancer w=
as after each figure. Alright, what can go into a circle right? A right han=
d chain. Let's put it after the partner swing. That trades the Robins&#=
39; places, so circle once around will put couples ready to progress to new=
neighbors. Circle left from there. Now, where can we put a neighbor swing?=
Well, unless we want to end it mid-phrase, either after the circle left or=
before the partner balance and swing. We need to get partners to the same =
side for that, so that might be awkward. Circle left into swing, then. Is t=
his the hand that flows into the swing? It is! How far, then? Oh, only circ=
le halfway. Not the usual, might need to emphasize that calling. Okay, now =
to get the Larks across for the partner swing, and we have 16 counts to do =
it. Hmm. Hey? Allemande? Petronellas move people around. Maybe with a give =
and take? Petronella into a swing? Let's try it. Ah-ha!</span></div><di=
v><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.8px">We tested it out, with music, beginning in three different p=
laces: the circle left, the chain, and the Petronellas. Each had some thing=
s we like and disliked about the flow (and we named each rotated variation =
in succession), but we=C2=A0thought that beginning with the Petronellas was=
the most generally successful version.</span></div><div><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Anywa=
y, maybe it's been written before, maybe not. We're really proud of=
our group (and, I think, rightfully so), which includes some brand new ris=
ing callers. I look forward to seeing where we all go from here.</span></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8p=
x"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.8px">=E2=80=94 Chet Gray</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" styl=
e=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 dance caller<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px=
"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 Lou=
isville, KY<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chetgray+calling@gmail.com" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,2=
04)" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com</a>>=
;<div>=E2=80=83=C2=A0<a href=3D"tel:+1-502-419-7008" value=3D"+15024197008"=
style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">(502) =
419-7008</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 15:45:19 -0500
From: Jeff Kaufman <jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
To: Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
Cc: contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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FWIW it's a lot easier to pick and play music for a dance that is "repeated
balances in the A, smooth in the B" than "repeated balances at the
beginning of the A and end of the B".
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 1:12 PM Chet Gray via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> I realized it does bear some similarity to "Don't Think, Dance" by Tavi
> Merrill:
> Don't Think, Dance
>
> by: *Tavi Merrill <https://contradb.com/choreographers/69>*
>
> formation: indecent
> A1 8
> balance & petronella directly into...
> 8
> Partners swing
> A2 8
> Robins chain
> 8
> Robins start a half hey - rights in center, lefts on ends - look away to =
Next
> Neighbors =E2=81=8B
> B1 16
> Next Neighbors balance & swing - join hands four
> B2 8
> balance & petronella
> 8
> balance & petronella
>
>
> Similar intentions, different starting place, different progression.
>
> =E2=80=94 Chet Gray
> dance caller
> Louisville, KY
> <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
> (502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:39 AM Chet Gray via Contra Callers <
> contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> The Louisville Callers Collective, at our meet-up this past Sunday 3/1,
>> collaboratively wrote our first dance! I searched for homologous
>> choreography in ContraDB and The Callers Box, and to a reasonable extent
>> via Google, and couldn't find any extant dances. Anybody know of somethi=
ng
>> I missed?
>> [name pending]
>>
>> hook: stompy A, circle > progress > circle B
>>
>> by: *Louisville Callers Collective
>> <https://contradb.com/choreographers/330>*
>>
>> formation: improper
>> A1 8
>> balance & petronella
>> 8
>> balance & petronella
>> A2 8
>> balance & petronella
>> 8
>> Partners swing
>> B1 8
>> Robins chain
>> 8
>> circle right 4 places
>> B2 2
>> turn alone to face Next Neighbors =E2=81=8B
>> 4
>> circle left 2 places
>> 10
>> Neighbors swing
>>
>> 2020-03-01 Louisville Callers Collective meeting collaboration.
>>
>> Co-coreographers: Bob Crawford, Callie Allison, Chet Gray, Elisabeth
>> Monica, John Murner, Nedra McNeil, Susan Pope.
>>
>> We began with a blank whiteboard, and brainstormed some of our favorite
>> elements of dances, among them: circle > progress > circle, group balanc=
es,
>> good flow, swings with partner and neighbor. We then divided the whitebo=
ard
>> into space for A1 A2 B1 B2, put a partner balance & swing in the B2, and
>> began expanding from there, diagramming where each dancer was after each
>> figure. Alright, what can go into a circle right? A right hand chain. Le=
t's
>> put it after the partner swing. That trades the Robins' places, so circl=
e
>> once around will put couples ready to progress to new neighbors. Circle
>> left from there. Now, where can we put a neighbor swing? Well, unless we
>> want to end it mid-phrase, either after the circle left or before the
>> partner balance and swing. We need to get partners to the same side for
>> that, so that might be awkward. Circle left into swing, then. Is this th=
e
>> hand that flows into the swing? It is! How far, then? Oh, only circle
>> halfway. Not the usual, might need to emphasize that calling. Okay, now =
to
>> get the Larks across for the partner swing, and we have 16 counts to do =
it.
>> Hmm. Hey? Allemande? Petronellas move people around. Maybe with a give a=
nd
>> take? Petronella into a swing? Let's try it. Ah-ha!
>>
>> We tested it out, with music, beginning in three different places: the
>> circle left, the chain, and the Petronellas. Each had some things we lik=
e
>> and disliked about the flow (and we named each rotated variation in
>> succession), but we thought that beginning with the Petronellas was the
>> most generally successful version.
>>
>> Anyway, maybe it's been written before, maybe not. We're really proud of
>> our group (and, I think, rightfully so), which includes some brand new
>> rising callers. I look forward to seeing where we all go from here.
>>
>> =E2=80=94 Chet Gray
>> dance caller
>> Louisville, KY
>> <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
>> (502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">FWIW it's a lot easier to pick and play music=C2=A0for=
a dance that is "repeated balances in the A, smooth in the B" th=
an "repeated balances at the beginning of the A and end of the B"=
.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 1:12 PM Chet Gray via Contra Callers <<a href=3D=
"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net">contracallers(a)lists.sharedwei=
ght.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I realized it does bear some similarity to &qu=
ot;Don't Think, Dance" by Tavi Merrill:</div><div><div style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT Sans",san=
s-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div style=3D"box=
-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;floa=
t:left;width:1170px"><h1 style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-size:36px;marg=
in:20px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;font-weight:500;lin=
e-height:1.1;color:inherit">Don't Think, Dance</h1></div></div><div sty=
le=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT Sans&q=
uot;,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-left:1=
5px;float:left;width:780px"><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0p=
x 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif">by:=C2=A0<strong style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box"><a href=3D"https://contradb.com/choreographers/69" sty=
le=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,1=
83);text-decoration-line:none" target=3D"_blank">Tavi Merrill</a></strong><=
/p><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:"=
PT Serif",serif">formation: indecent</p><div style=3D"box-sizing:borde=
r-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><div style=3D"box-sizing:bord=
er-box"></div></div><table style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing=
:0px;background-color:white;max-width:100%;margin-bottom:20px;border:1px so=
lid rgb(221,221,221);width:auto"><tbody style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"><tr=
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4=
em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-b=
ox;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(=
221,221,221)">A1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-al=
ign:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,2=
21,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1=
.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;b=
order-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-fami=
ly:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella di=
rectly into...</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background=
-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"=
><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertica=
l-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing=
:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align=
:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:borde=
r-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0=
px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"=
box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1=
em">Partners swing</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:=
1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:borde=
r-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid r=
gb(221,221,221)">A2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text=
-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(22=
1,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-heigh=
t:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:soli=
d;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-f=
amily:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Robins chain</div></td><=
/tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Ser=
if",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:=
1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857=
;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"b=
ox-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bor=
der-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"=
><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif=
;padding-left:1em">Robins start a half hey - rights in center, lefts on end=
s - look away to=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box">Next Neighbors<=
/span>=C2=A0=E2=81=8B</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;bac=
kground-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif"=
,serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;=
vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">B1</td><td style=3D"b=
ox-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;verti=
cal-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">16</td><td style=3D"box-si=
zing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-w=
idth:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div=
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padd=
ing-left:1em">Next Neighbors balance & swing - join hands four</div></t=
d></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT =
Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-heig=
ht:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">B2</td><td=
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.=
42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:to=
p;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,=
221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",=
serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr><tr style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",seri=
f"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;verti=
cal-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-ali=
gn:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:bor=
der-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px=
0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-le=
ft:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div=
></div><div><br></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:small">Similar intentions, d<s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12.8px">ifferent starting place, different progressi=
on.</span></div><div style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.8px">=E2=80=94 Chet Gray</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" sty=
le=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 dance caller<span style=3D"font-size:12.8p=
x"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 Lo=
uisville, KY<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 =
<<a href=3D"mailto:chetgray+calling@gmail.com" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,=
204)" target=3D"_blank">chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com</a>><div>=E2=80=83=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"tel:+1-502-419-7008" value=3D"+15024197008" style=3D"color:rg=
b(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">(502) 419-7008</a></div></div></div></div><=
/div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:39 AM Chet Gray via Contra Caller=
s <<a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net" target=3D"_bl=
ank">contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The Louisvil=
le Callers Collective, at our meet-up this past Sunday 3/1, collaboratively=
wrote our first dance! I searched for homologous choreography in ContraDB =
and The Callers Box, and to a reasonable extent via Google, and couldn'=
t find any extant dances. Anybody know of something I missed?</div><div><di=
v style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT S=
ans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div=
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-l=
eft:15px;float:left;width:1170px"><h1 style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-s=
ize:36px;margin:20px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;font-w=
eight:500;line-height:1.1;color:inherit">[name pending]</h1></div></div><di=
v style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT S=
ans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(250,247,224)"><div=
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-l=
eft:15px;float:left;width:780px"><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0=
px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",serif">hook: stompy A,=C2=A0<s=
pan style=3D"box-sizing:border-box">circle</span>=C2=A0> progress >=
=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box">circle</span>=C2=A0B</p><p styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif&q=
uot;,serif">by:=C2=A0<strong style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"><a href=3D"htt=
ps://contradb.com/choreographers/330" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;backgr=
ound-color:transparent;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration-line:none" tar=
get=3D"_blank">Louisville Callers Collective</a></strong></p><p style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px;font-family:"PT Serif",se=
rif">formation: improper</p><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family=
:"PT Serif",serif"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"></div></d=
iv><table style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px;background-c=
olor:white;max-width:100%;margin-bottom:20px;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,2=
21);width:auto"><tbody style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"><tr style=3D"box-siz=
ing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:&q=
uot;PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;li=
ne-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">A1<=
/td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-he=
ight:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><t=
d style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-a=
lign:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(2=
21,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif=
",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr><tr =
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4e=
m;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-bo=
x;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(2=
21,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align=
:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,=
221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42=
857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;bord=
er-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:=
"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella</div>=
</td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"=
PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-h=
eight:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">A2</td>=
<td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height=
:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td st=
yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align=
:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,2=
21,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif&quo=
t;,serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr><tr styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",ser=
if"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vert=
ical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-siz=
ing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-al=
ign:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:bo=
rder-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1p=
x 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-le=
ft:1em">Partners swing</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;ba=
ckground-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif"=
;,serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857=
;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">B1</td><td style=3D"=
box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vert=
ical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"box-si=
zing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-w=
idth:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div=
style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padd=
ing-left:1em">Robins chain</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-bo=
x;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif&=
quot;,serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.4=
2857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;=
vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">8</td><td style=3D"bo=
x-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bord=
er-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)">=
<div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;=
padding-left:1em">circle right 4 places</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-siz=
ing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:t=
op;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">B2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border=
-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;bo=
rder:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;p=
adding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px =
1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-siz=
ing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">tur=
n alone to face=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box">Next Neighbors</=
span>=C2=A0=E2=81=8B</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;widt=
h:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:bor=
der-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid=
rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text=
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1,221,221)">4</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-heigh=
t:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:soli=
d;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-f=
amily:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">circle left 2 places</di=
v></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:&quo=
t;PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line=
-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td>=
<td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height=
:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">10</td><td s=
tyle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-alig=
n:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,=
221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif&qu=
ot;,serif;padding-left:1em">Neighbors swing</div></td></tr></tbody></table>=
<div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"=
><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;mar=
gin:0px 0px 10px">2020-03-01 Louisville Callers Collective meeting collabor=
ation.</p><p style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">Co-coreogr=
aphers: Bob Crawford, Callie Allison, Chet Gray, Elisabeth Monica, John Mur=
ner, Nedra McNeil, Susan Pope.</p></div></div></div></div></div><br clear=
=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span=
style=3D"font-size:12.8px">We began with a blank whiteboard, and brainstor=
med some of our favorite elements of dances, among them: circle > progre=
ss > circle, group balances, good flow, swings with partner and neighbor=
. We then divided the whiteboard into space for A1 A2 B1 B2, put a partner =
balance & swing in the B2, and began expanding from there, diagramming =
where each dancer was after each figure. Alright, what can go into a circle=
right? A right hand chain. Let's put it after the partner swing. That =
trades the Robins' places, so circle once around will put couples ready=
to progress to new neighbors. Circle left from there. Now, where can we pu=
t a neighbor swing? Well, unless we want to end it mid-phrase, either after=
the circle left or before the partner balance and swing. We need to get pa=
rtners to the same side for that, so that might be awkward. Circle left int=
o swing, then. Is this the hand that flows into the swing? It is! How far, =
then? Oh, only circle halfway. Not the usual, might need to emphasize that =
calling. Okay, now to get the Larks across for the partner swing, and we ha=
ve 16 counts to do it. Hmm. Hey? Allemande? Petronellas move people around.=
Maybe with a give and take? Petronella into a swing? Let's try it. Ah-=
ha!</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">We tested it out, with music, beginning i=
n three different places: the circle left, the chain, and the Petronellas. =
Each had some things we like and disliked about the flow (and we named each=
rotated variation in succession), but we=C2=A0thought that beginning with =
the Petronellas was the most generally successful version.</span></div><div=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font=
-size:12.8px">Anyway, maybe it's been written before, maybe not. We'=
;re really proud of our group (and, I think, rightfully so), which includes=
some brand new rising callers. I look forward to seeing where we all go fr=
om here.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:=
small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=E2=80=94 Chet Gray</span></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 dance caller<span style=
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Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 16:10:37 -0500
From: Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
To: Erik Hoffman <erik(a)erikhoffman.com>
Cc: Shared Weight - Contra Callers
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Dancers stand out Improper on the ends, to prepare for the progressing new
neighbors with whom they'll circle left.
A1 indecent
L1 R1
R2 L2
balance & petronella
indecent
Becket-ccw
R1 L2
L1 R2
balance & petronella
A2 progressed
improper
L2 R2
R1 L1
balance & petronella
indecent
Becket
R2 L1
L2 R1
Partners swing
B1 Becket
L2 R1
R2 L1
Robins chain
progressed
improper
L2 R2
R1 L1
circle right 4 places
B2 progressed
improper
L2 R2
R1 L1
turn alone to face Next Neighbors =E2=81=8B
new set
improper
L2 R2
---------
R1 L1
L2 R2
---------
R1L2
circle left 2 places
progressed
indecent
R2 L2
L1 R1
Neighbors swing
My concern with "reverse-improper" is confusion with what some might call
"reverse-progression improper", with 1s below 2s, Lark left and Robin when
facing into the minor set. Chris Page (among others) have called this
"progressed indecent", see
https://contrachoreography.wordpress.com/2013/11/06/the-twenty-four-duple-m=
inor-formations/.
That said, I'm generally fine with whatever folks use, so long as they
clarify themselves when needed.
=E2=80=94 Chet Gray
dance caller
Louisville, KY
<chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
(502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 3:21 PM Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> On this new dance, *Name Impending*, it=E2=80=99s interesting, and it too=
k me 5
> minutes to figure this out but:
>
>
>
> It can start either improper or reverse-improper. That=E2=80=99s because,=
either
> way, three Petronella turns put you on the Lark=E2=80=99s side with your =
partner
> (one with the Lark on the left, the other with the Robin on the left). Th=
en
> the partner swing puts everything in order. So you can start this dance
> improper, then let it flow. When couples come in on the end they can stan=
d
> =E2=80=9Ccrossed over=E2=80=9D or not. It might be confusing, if one does=
n=E2=80=99t cross over, to
> do the Petronellas in a Lark-Lark-Robin-Robin circle, but it=E2=80=99ll, =
as noted,
> straighten out momentarily.
>
>
>
> As I=E2=80=99m considering this, we may note that, when circling left =C2=
=BE into a
> swing, it=E2=80=99s far smoother for the Robin to draw into that swing wi=
th the
> Lark on the right. Using Petronella turns makes it smooth either way.
>
>
>
> An aside: I=E2=80=99m not sure if others feel this way but, I really don=
=E2=80=99t like
> calling the reverse-improper formation =E2=80=9Cindecent.=E2=80=9D I thin=
k using that name
> is, well, sort of ugly and, to me, not funny. Maybe I=E2=80=99ve finally =
made it to
> being an old curmudgeon=E2=80=A6 At any rate, I=E2=80=99ll continue to ca=
ll it
> reverse-improper.
>
>
>
> ~Erik Hoffman
>
> Oakland, CA
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Dancers stand out Improper on the ends, to prepare fo=
r the progressing new neighbors with whom they'll circle left.</div><di=
v><br></div><div><table style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"PT S=
ans",sans-serif;font-size:14px;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing=
:0px;max-width:100%;margin-bottom:20px;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221);wi=
dth:auto"><tbody style=3D"box-sizing:border-box"><tr style=3D"box-sizing:bo=
rder-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT=
Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-hei=
ght:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">A1</td><t=
d style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1=
.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">indecent<br>L1=
R1<br>R2 L2<br></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-he=
ight:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:s=
olid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;fon=
t-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petrone=
lla</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(=
243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:to=
p;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-bo=
x;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;borde=
r:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">indecent<br>Becket-ccw<br>R1 L2<br>L1 R2</td>=
<td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical=
-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb=
(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Ser=
if",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petronella</div></td></tr><t=
r style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif&quo=
t;,serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.4285=
7;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">A2</td><td style=3D=
"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;ver=
tical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">progressed<br>improper<b=
r>L2 R2<br>R1 L1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-he=
ight:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:s=
olid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;fon=
t-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">balance & petrone=
lla</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;font-fami=
ly:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5=
px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)=
"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line=
-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">indec=
ent<br>Becket<br>R2 L1<br>L2 R1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padd=
ing:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px=
;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing=
:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">Partne=
rs swing</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;background-color=
:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td s=
tyle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-alig=
n:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">B1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:bor=
der-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top=
;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">Becket<br>L2 R1<br>R2 L1</td><td style=
=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:to=
p;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,=
221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",=
serif;padding-left:1em">Robins chain</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing=
:border-box;background-color:rgb(243,243,243);width:1.4em;font-family:"=
;PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-=
height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><=
td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:=
1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)">progressed<br=
>improper<br>L2 R2<br>R1 L1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:=
5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1px;bor=
der-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizing:bor=
der-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">circle rig=
ht 4 places</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4em;f=
ont-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;p=
adding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,=
221,221)">B2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-align:=
right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,2=
21)">progressed<br>improper<br>L2 R2<br>R1 L1<br></td><td style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-wid=
th:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div s=
tyle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;paddin=
g-left:1em">turn alone to face=C2=A0<span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box">N=
ext Neighbors</span>=C2=A0=E2=81=8B</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:=
border-box;width:1.4em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D=
"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;b=
order:1px solid rgb(221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;p=
adding:5px;text-align:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1=
px solid rgb(221,221,221)">new set<br>improper<br>L2 R2<br>---------<br>R1 =
L1<br>L2 R2<br>---------<br>R1L2</td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;pad=
ding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width:1px 0px 1px 1p=
x;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div style=3D"box-sizin=
g:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-left:1em">circl=
e left 2 places</div></td></tr><tr style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;width:1.4=
em;font-family:"PT Serif",serif"><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-b=
ox;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(=
221,221,221)"></td><td style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;padding:5px;text-alig=
n:right;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border:1px solid rgb(221,221=
,221)">progressed<br>indecent<br>R2 L2<br>L1 R1</td><td style=3D"box-sizing=
:border-box;padding:5px;line-height:1.42857;vertical-align:top;border-width=
:1px 0px 1px 1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(221,221,221)"><div sty=
le=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"PT Serif",serif;padding-=
left:1em">Neighbors swing</div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div><br></d=
iv><div>My concern with "reverse-improper" is confusion with what=
some might call "reverse-progression improper", with 1s below 2s=
, Lark left and Robin when facing into the minor set. Chris Page (among oth=
ers) have called this "progressed indecent", see=C2=A0<a href=3D"=
https://contrachoreography.wordpress.com/2013/11/06/the-twenty-four-duple-m=
inor-formations/">https://contrachoreography.wordpress.com/2013/11/06/the-t=
wenty-four-duple-minor-formations/</a>. That said, I'm generally fine w=
ith whatever folks use, so long as they clarify themselves when needed.</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_s=
ignature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.8px">=E2=80=94 Chet Gray</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small">=E2=80=83 dance caller<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 Louisville, KY<=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 <<a href=
=3D"mailto:chetgray+calling@gmail.com" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" targe=
t=3D"_blank">chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com</a>><div>=E2=80=83=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"tel:+1-502-419-7008" value=3D"+15024197008" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,20=
4)" target=3D"_blank">(502) 419-7008</a></div></div></div></div></div></div=
></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 3:21 PM Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net">contracallers@li=
sts.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1858192541679076600WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Book=
man Old Style",serif;color:black">On this new dance,
<i>Name Impending</i>, it=E2=80=99s interesting, and it took me 5 minutes t=
o figure this out but:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Book=
man Old Style",serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Book=
man Old Style",serif;color:black">It can start either improper or reve=
rse-improper. That=E2=80=99s because, either way, three Petronella turns pu=
t you on the Lark=E2=80=99s side with your partner (one with
the Lark on the left, the other with the Robin on the left). Then the part=
ner swing puts everything in order. So you can start this dance improper, t=
hen let it flow. When couples come in on the end they can stand =E2=80=9Ccr=
ossed over=E2=80=9D or not. It might be confusing,
if one doesn=E2=80=99t cross over, to do the Petronellas in a Lark-Lark-Ro=
bin-Robin circle, but it=E2=80=99ll, as noted, straighten out momentarily.<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Book=
man Old Style",serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Book=
man Old Style",serif;color:black">As I=E2=80=99m considering this, we =
may note that, when circling left =C2=BE into a swing, it=E2=80=99s far smo=
other for the Robin to draw into that swing with the Lark on the
right. Using Petronella turns makes it smooth either way.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Book=
man Old Style",serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Book=
man Old Style",serif;color:black">An aside: I=E2=80=99m not sure if ot=
hers feel this way but, I really don=E2=80=99t like calling the reverse-imp=
roper formation =E2=80=9Cindecent.=E2=80=9D I think using that name is, wel=
l,
sort of ugly and, to me, not funny. Maybe I=E2=80=99ve finally made it to =
being an old curmudgeon=E2=80=A6 At any rate, I=E2=80=99ll continue to call=
it reverse-improper.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Book=
man Old Style",serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Book=
man Old Style",serif;color:black">~Erik Hoffman<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:"Book=
man Old Style",serif;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Oakland, CA</span></p><=
/div></div>
</blockquote></div></div>
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 16:17:02 -0500
From: Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
To: John Sweeney <john(a)modernjive.com>
Cc: Shared Weight - Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
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I'm fine with that. There's clearly overlap between using "proper" and
"improper" to refer to the orientation of a couple and to refer to the
orientation of a (duple) minor set, and I suspect some regionalism as to
which is intended by the speaker.
=E2=80=94 Chet Gray
dance caller
Louisville, KY
<chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
(502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> What=E2=80=99s wrong with =E2=80=9CSecond Couples Improper=E2=80=9D if yo=
u don=E2=80=99t want to say
> =E2=80=9CIndecent=E2=80=9D?
>
>
>
> Happy dancing,
>
> John
>
>
>
> John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802
> 940 574
>
> http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music
> Ceilidhs
>
> http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
>
>
> http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I'm fine with that. There's =
clearly overlap between using "proper" and "improper" t=
o refer to the orientation of a couple and to refer to the orientation of a=
(duple) minor set, and I suspect some regionalism as to which is intended =
by the speaker.</div><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_si=
gnature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.8px">=E2=80=94 Chet Gray</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small">=E2=80=83 dance caller<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 Louisville, KY<=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 <<a href=
=3D"mailto:chetgray+calling@gmail.com" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" targe=
t=3D"_blank">chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com</a>><div>=E2=80=83=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"tel:+1-502-419-7008" value=3D"+15024197008" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,20=
4)" target=3D"_blank">(502) 419-7008</a></div></div></div></div></div></div=
></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_attr">On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net">contracallers@li=
sts.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB"><div class=3D"gmail-m_5730632169559=
468687WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>What=E2=80=99s wrong with =
=E2=80=9CSecond Couples Improper=E2=80=9D if you don=E2=80=99t want to say =
=E2=80=9CIndecent=E2=80=9D?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Happy dancing,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 John=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sa=
ns-serif">John Sweeney, Dancer, England=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:john@=
modernjive.com" target=3D"_blank">john(a)modernjive.com</a> 01233 625 362 &am=
p; 07802 940 574=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href=3D"http://contr=
afusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html" target=3D"_blank">http://contrafusion.co.u=
k/KentCeilidhs.html</a> for Live Music Ceilidhs=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href=
=3D"http://www.contrafusion.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">http://www.contrafusio=
n.co.uk</a> for Dancing in Kent</span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,=
sans-serif"><a href=3D"http://www.modernjive.com" target=3D"_blank">http://=
www.modernjive.com</a> for Modern Jive DVDs</span></p></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div>
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 16:21:05 -0500
From: Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
To: Jeff Kaufman <jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu>
Cc: Shared Weight - Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
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Jeff,
Grouping the stompy bits in the A and the flowy bits in the B was part of
our calculus for settling on the final starting point.
=E2=80=94 Chet Gray
dance caller
Louisville, KY
<chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
(502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008>
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 3:45 PM Jeff Kaufman <jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu>
wrote:
> FWIW it's a lot easier to pick and play music for a dance that is
> "repeated balances in the A, smooth in the B" than "repeated balances at
> the beginning of the A and end of the B".
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Jeff,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><di=
v>Grouping the stompy bits in the A and the flowy bits in the B was part of=
our calculus for settling on the final starting point.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signatur=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=E2=80=94 Chet Gray</span></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:small">=E2=80=83 dance caller<span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size=
:small">=E2=80=83 Louisville, KY<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small">=E2=80=83 <<a href=3D"mailto:chetgray+calling@gmail.com" style=
=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com</a>&=
gt;<div>=E2=80=83=C2=A0<a href=3D"tel:+1-502-419-7008" value=3D"+1502419700=
8" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">(502) 419-7008</a></div=
></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 3:45 PM Jef=
f Kaufman <<a href=3D"mailto:jeff@alum.swarthmore.edu" target=3D"_blank"=
>jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">FWIW it's a lot easier to pic=
k and play music=C2=A0for a dance that is "repeated balances in the A,=
smooth in the B" than "repeated balances at the beginning of the=
A and end of the B".</div>
</blockquote></div></div>
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 23:34:33 -0000
From: "John Sweeney" <john(a)modernjive.com>
Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
To: "'Shared Weight - Contra Callers'"
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Hmmm=E2=80=A6 One side is the Men=E2=80=99s side (as defined by the need =
to be able to draw your sword easily when facing the presence, even if =
your partner has a wide dress). The other is the Ladies=E2=80=99 Side. =
If you are on your own side you are Proper, if not you are Improper. =
(Substitute your favourite words as necessary.)
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I have never heard of any logical way that it can be used to refer to a =
couple=E2=80=99s orientation without being confusing or ambiguous.
=20
:-)
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Happy dancing, =20
John =20
=20
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & =
07802 940 574 =20
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs =
=20
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent =
=20
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
=20
=20
From: Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>=20
Sent: 03 March 2020 21:17
To: John Sweeney <john(a)modernjive.com>
Cc: Shared Weight - Contra Callers =
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
=20
I'm fine with that. There's clearly overlap between using "proper" and =
"improper" to refer to the orientation of a couple and to refer to the =
orientation of a (duple) minor set, and I suspect some regionalism as to =
which is intended by the speaker.
=20
=E2=80=94 Chet Gray
=E2=80=83 dance caller
=E2=80=83 Louisville, KY
=E2=80=83 < <mailto:chetgray+calling@gmail.com> =
chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
=E2=80=83 <tel:+1-502-419-7008> (502) 419-7008
=20
=20
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers =
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net =
<mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> > wrote:
What=E2=80=99s wrong with =E2=80=9CSecond Couples Improper=E2=80=9D if =
you don=E2=80=99t want to say =E2=80=9CIndecent=E2=80=9D?
=20
Happy dancing, =20
John =20
=20
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com =
<mailto:john@modernjive.com> 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574 =
=20
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs =
=20
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent =
=20
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hmmm=E2=80=A6 One side is the =
Men=E2=80=99s side (as defined by the need to be able to draw your sword =
easily when facing the presence, even if your partner has a wide =
dress).=C2=A0 The other is the Ladies=E2=80=99 Side.=C2=A0 If you are on =
your own side you are Proper, if not you are Improper.=C2=A0 (Substitute =
your favourite words as necessary.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have =
never heard of any logical way that it can be used to refer to a =
couple=E2=80=99s orientation without being confusing or =
ambiguous.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>:-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> =
Happy =
dancing,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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=A0=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> &nb=
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p; =
John=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>John Sweeney, =
Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & =
07802 940 =
574=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>http://contrafu=
sion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music =
Ceilidhs=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>http://www.cont=
rafusion.co.uk for Dancing in =
Kent</span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>http://www.mode=
rnjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com> =
<br><b>Sent:</b> 03 March 2020 21:17<br><b>To:</b> John Sweeney =
<john(a)modernjive.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Shared Weight - Contra Callers =
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been =
written?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I'm fine with that. There's clearly overlap between =
using "proper" and "improper" to refer to the =
orientation of a couple and to refer to the orientation of a (duple) =
minor set, and I suspect some regionalism as to which is intended by the =
speaker.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.5pt'>=E2=80=94 Chet =
Gray</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>=E2=80=83 dance =
caller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>=E2=80=83 Louisville, =
KY<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>=E2=80=83 <<a =
href=3D"mailto:chetgray+calling@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:#1155CC'>chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com</span></a>><o:p></o=
:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>=E2=80=83 <a =
href=3D"tel:+1-502-419-7008" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:#1155CC'>(502) =
419-7008</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></=
div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net">contracallers(a)lists.=
sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What=E2=80=99=
s wrong with =E2=80=9CSecond Couples Improper=E2=80=9D if you =
don=E2=80=99t want to say =E2=80=9CIndecent=E2=80=9D?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> =
Happy =
dancing,  =
; =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p; =
John &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p; =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p;  =
; =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>John Sweeney, =
Dancer, England <a href=3D"mailto:john@modernjive.com" =
target=3D"_blank">john(a)modernjive.com</a> 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 =
574 &nbs=
p;  =
; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a =
href=3D"http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html</a> for =
Live Music =
Ceilidhs  =
; =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a =
href=3D"http://www.contrafusion.co.uk" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.contrafusion.co.uk</a> for Dancing in =
Kent</span> &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a =
href=3D"http://www.modernjive.com" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.modernjive.com</a> for Modern Jive =
DVDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></di=
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 00:00:33 -0500
From: Read Weaver <rweaver(a)igc.org>
Subject: [Callers] Re: actual timing of calls for hey for four
To: Katherine Kitching <kat.kitching(a)gmail.com>
Cc: Joe Kwiatkowski via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
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Hmm. Not a fan of this way of calling heys=E2=80=94not really a fan of =
called heys at all. There=E2=80=99s too much going on at once: I have to =
figure out (e.g., with me a raven) in quick succession: now I=E2=80=99m =
being a raven, now I=E2=80=99m being a neighbor, now I=E2=80=99m not a =
lark so I guess I don=E2=80=99t do anything, now I=E2=80=99m being a =
partner, now I=E2=80=99m being a raven...
I=E2=80=99ve concluded that a quicker version of what I do in a =
beginners=E2=80=99 workshop works fine as a demo on the dance floor: =
find 3 others who can hey, plus me. I walk and explain what I=E2=80=99m =
doing (ideally with quiet music behind me): =E2=80=9Cright in the =
middle, left on the end, right with no one, left on the end, right in =
the middle, left on the end, right with no one, and I=E2=80=99m home=E2=80=
=9D: the rhythm of what I=E2=80=99m saying conveys the timing, =E2=80=9Cri=
ght with no one=E2=80=9D is memorable for explaining how you can think =
of it as R-L-R-L-R-L-R, and =E2=80=9Cright with no one=E2=80=9D explains =
the =E2=80=9Cbig loop=E2=80=9D timing. Have everyone do it, then demo it =
again, pointing out that the lark is a couple beats behind because they =
start by taking a couple beats to move over to the right while the raven =
moves in=E2=80=94but you really don=E2=80=99t need to have them repeat =
doing it. There=E2=80=99s also no need to re-demo a left-shoulder hey: =
people won=E2=80=99t even notice that it=E2=80=99s different from what =
they=E2=80=99ve already learned.
Read Weaver
Jamaica Plain, MA
http://lcfd.org
> On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers =
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> hello - first time posting to this list so i'm sorry if I do it wrong =
(looked in archives and couldn't see obvious answer)
>=20
> I am going to teach and call my first dance with a hey this =
Saturday.. (ie tomorrow)
>=20
> our group takes things slow so i'd like to cue every interaction for =
the first few times, as our previous caller did.... I don't know how =
common this is but our previous caller would actually say--
>=20
> ravens pass right
> neighbours pass left
> larks pass right
> partners left
> ravens pass right
> neighbours pass left
> larks pass right=20
> partner balance and swing
>=20
> I'm wondering if someone can clarify for me about delivering the calls =
for this hey....normally of course I deliver instructions so the last =
bit of instruction ends on the beat prior to the figure starting.
>=20
> But in the case of the Hey, if I remember correctly the caller =
actually called out the actions *as* they were happening....=20
>=20
> Am I remembering correctly and if so is this the best approach?
>=20
> In essence-- do I start by calling "ravens pass right" just before =
they do it, or while they are doing it?
>=20
> thanks muchly :)
>=20
> Katherine Kitching in Hfx NS Canada=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hmm. =
Not a fan of this way of calling heys=E2=80=94not really a fan of called =
heys at all. There=E2=80=99s too much going on at once: I have to figure =
out (e.g., with me a raven) in quick succession: now I=E2=80=99m being a =
raven, now I=E2=80=99m being a neighbor, now I=E2=80=99m not a lark so I =
guess I don=E2=80=99t do anything, now I=E2=80=99m being a partner, now =
I=E2=80=99m being a raven...<div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ve concluded that a quicker =
version of what I do in a beginners=E2=80=99 workshop works fine as a =
demo on the dance floor: find 3 others who can hey, plus me. I walk and =
explain what I=E2=80=99m doing (ideally with quiet music behind me): =
=E2=80=9Cright in the middle, left on the end, right with no one, left =
on the end, right in the middle, left on the end, right with no one, and =
I=E2=80=99m home=E2=80=9D: the rhythm of what I=E2=80=99m saying conveys =
the timing, =E2=80=9Cright with no one=E2=80=9D is memorable for =
explaining how you can think of it as R-L-R-L-R-L-R, and =E2=80=9Cright =
with no one=E2=80=9D explains the =E2=80=9Cbig loop=E2=80=9D timing. =
Have everyone do it, then demo it again, pointing out that the lark is a =
couple beats behind because they start by taking a couple beats to move =
over to the right while the raven moves in=E2=80=94but you really =
don=E2=80=99t need to have them repeat doing it. There=E2=80=99s also no =
need to re-demo a left-shoulder hey: people won=E2=80=99t even notice =
that it=E2=80=99s different from what they=E2=80=99ve already =
learned.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><div class=3D"">Read Weaver</div><div class=3D"">Jamaica =
Plain, MA</div><div class=3D""><a href=3D"http://lcfd.org" =
class=3D"">http://lcfd.org</a></div></div>
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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Katherine Kitching via Contra =
Callers <<a href=3D"mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net" =
class=3D"">contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br style=3D"display:initial" class=3D"">hello - first time =
posting to this list so i'm sorry if I do it wrong (looked in archives =
and couldn't see obvious answer)</div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" =
style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" class=3D""> I am going to teach =
and call my first dance with a hey this Saturday.. (ie =
tomorrow)</div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" =
style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">our group takes things slow so i'd like to cue every =
interaction for the first few times, as our previous caller did.... I =
don't know how common this is but our previous caller would actually =
say--</div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""> ravens pass right</div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">neighbours pass left</div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID"=
style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">larks pass =
right</div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">partners left</div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">ravens pass right</div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" =
style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">neighbours pass =
left</div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">larks pass right </div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""> partner balance and swing</div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" =
style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">I'm wondering if someone =
can clarify for me about delivering the calls for this hey....normally =
of course I deliver instructions so the last bit of instruction ends on =
the beat prior to the figure starting.</div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" =
style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">But in the case of the =
Hey, if I remember correctly the caller actually called out the =
actions *as* they were happening.... </div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" =
style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Am I remembering =
correctly and if so is this the best approach?</div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" =
style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">In essence-- do I start =
by calling "ravens pass right" <u class=3D"">just before</u> they do it, =
or <u class=3D"">while</u> they are doing it?</div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" =
style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">thanks muchly :)<div =
id=3D"blackberry_signature_BBPPID" name=3D"BB10" dir=3D"auto" class=3D""> =
<div id=3D"_signaturePlaceholder_BBPPID" name=3D"BB10" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""></div> </div></div><div id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" =
style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:none" dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Katherine Kitching in Hfx NS Canada </div>
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Re: One liners for callers
by John Sweeney
Hi Rick,
I am pretty sure that it is not "a la main". The term Allemande has been used as a dance figure for many centuries. Like Dosido and Swing it has many meanings. See https://www.regencydances.org/paper001.php.
The current use of it to mean a simple hand turn is referenced in the last paragraph of point 4 in that article.
I believe that "a la main" arose from people who heard the term and had never seen it written.
Petronella (just before the spin): You should be looking at …
[View More]someone's left ear.
Allemande: It's dancing, nor arm-wrestling; if your hand gets closer to you then you lose.
For callers who use words like "Men" and "Ladies", but want to reassure people that they can dance in either role: It's just a role, nothing to do with your plumbing!
:-)
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hart via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: 04 March 2020 14:03
To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Subject: [Callers] One liners for callers
I sometimes hear callers use quick one liners to make dancers smile, to keep their attention, and to help them remember a move. Here’s a couple I have heard and use during walkthroughs sometimes.
1. For a petronella turn:
“Take hands in a ring.
Balance the ring.
Look at the person in your right hand.
They don’t know you are looking at them because they are looking at someone else.
You will be standing exactly where they are...... “
2. For an a la main left:
“Raise your left hand as if you were going to do an a la main left.
Now do an a la main left.....”
What other similar one liners do others use - if any?
Rich Hart.
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Re: First composition! Has it been written?
by John Sweeney
Hi Diane,
Your reference to home sides is not just relevant to modern “improper” dances. It also applies to ancient and traditional ones. The concept of “First Couples Improper” goes way back; the earliest dance I know is “Old Simon the King” from 1679! “First man being on his wo. side”. :-)
http://playforddances.com/dances/old-simon-the-king/
I tend to say, “YOUR side” rather than “home side”. The concept is especially useful when the man does both a …
[View More]neighbour swing and a partner swing on their own side.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
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http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
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From: Diane Silver via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: 04 March 2020 14:02
To: contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
Subject: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
I have always referred to the two sides of the set in terms of the starting position ("home side") for each partner, in a given dance.
In a traditional "proper" dance, all ladies have the same home side, as do all the gents; thus there is a ladies' line and gents' line.
In a modern "improper" dance, with 1s crossed over, each partner has a home side. There is no ladies' or gents' line, but when you swing with your partner, it's either on the gents' home side or the ladies' home side, from your perspective as a couple. The same is true for "indecent" formation; each partner has their own home side.
In Becket formation, both partners have the same home side. I often emphasize to dancers to really notice that "this is OUR home side." It remains your home side all the way up or down the set, but then switches to the other side when you reach the end of the line, wait out, and then begin progressing the other direction up or down the line.
- Diane
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name of dance?
by Emily Addison
Hi folks :)
Wondering if any of you might know the name/author for the following dance.
I picked it up a while ago but don't have any other info
A1 N Bal&Box-the-Gnat /// N DSD
A2 N Al R 1.5 // Robins Al L 1.5
B1 P B&Sw
B2 Robin Chain /// LH Star
Thanks!
Emily
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One liners for callers
by Richard Hart
I sometimes hear callers use quick one liners to make dancers smile, to keep their attention, and to help them remember a move. Here’s a couple I have heard and use during walkthroughs sometimes.
1. For a petronella turn:
“Take hands in a ring.
Balance the ring.
Look at the person in your right hand.
They don’t know you are looking at them because they are looking at someone else.
You will be standing exactly where they are...... “
2. For an a la main left:
“Raise your left hand as if you …
[View More]were going to do an a la main left.
Now do an a la main left.....”
What other similar one liners do others use - if any?
Rich Hart.
Sent from my iPhone
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Re: First composition! Has it been written?
by Diane Silver
I have always referred to the two sides of the set in terms of the
starting position ("home side") for each partner, in a given dance.
In a traditional "proper" dance, all ladies have the same home side, as
do all the gents; thus there is a ladies' line and gents' line.
In a modern "improper" dance, with 1s crossed over, each partner has a
home side. There is no ladies' or gents' line, but when you swing with
your partner, it's either on the gents' home side or the ladies' home
…
[View More]side, from your perspective as a couple. The same is true for
"indecent" formation; each partner has their own home side.
In Becket formation, both partners have the same home side. I often
emphasize to dancers to really notice that "this is OUR home side." It
remains your home side all the way up or down the set, but then switches
to the other side when you reach the end of the line, wait out, and then
begin progressing the other direction up or down the line.
- Diane
On 3/3/2020 6:34 PM, John Sweeney via Contra Callers wrote:
>
> Hmmm… One side is the Men’s side (as defined by the need to be able to
> draw your sword easily when facing the presence, even if your partner
> has a wide dress). The other is the Ladies’ Side. If you are on your
> own side you are Proper, if not you are Improper. (Substitute your
> favourite words as necessary.)
>
> I have never heard of any logical way that it can be used to refer to
> a couple’s orientation without being confusing or ambiguous.
>
> :-)
>
> Happy dancing,
>
> John
>
> John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 &
> 07802 940 574
>
> http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
>
> http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
>
> http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
>
> *From:*Chet Gray <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 03 March 2020 21:17
> *To:* John Sweeney <john(a)modernjive.com>
> *Cc:* Shared Weight - Contra Callers
> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Re: First composition! Has it been written?
>
> I'm fine with that. There's clearly overlap between using "proper" and
> "improper" to refer to the orientation of a couple and to refer to the
> orientation of a (duple) minor set, and I suspect some regionalism as
> to which is intended by the speaker.
>
> — Chet Gray
>
> dance caller
>
> Louisville, KY
>
> <chetgray+calling(a)gmail.com <mailto:chetgray+calling@gmail.com>>
>
> (502) 419-7008 <tel:+1-502-419-7008>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> <mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
>
> What’s wrong with “Second Couples Improper” if you don’t want to
> say “Indecent”?
>
> Happy dancing,
>
> John
>
> John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com
> <mailto:john@modernjive.com> 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
>
> http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
>
> http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
>
> http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
>
>
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Re: First composition! Has it been written?
by Bill Baritompa
Hi Chet and all,
Nice dance. This video shows the formations you mapped out.
https://youtu.be/m15ePORDKlc
Cheers, Bill
On 4/03/2020 10:11 am, Chet Gray via Contra Callers wrote:
> A1 indecent
> balance & petronella
> indecent Becket-ccw
> balance & petronella
> A2 progressed improper
> balance & petronella
> indecent Becket
> Partners swing
> B1 Becket
> Robins chain
> progressed improper
> circle right 4 places
> B2 progressed …
[View More]improper
> turn alone to face Next Neighbors ⁋
> new set improper
> circle left 2 places
> progressed indecent
> Neighbors swing
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