Hi All,
Ladies' Chain to Allemande Left is actually the original version of
the Ladies' Chain! I believe that the Courtesy Turn was added sometime late
in the 19th century, or maybe in the first half of the 20th century.
Prior to that the "Chaine des Dames" was always danced as Ladies
Pull By Right, Allemande Left the Man You Meet - and always there and back
again.
It occurs in countless dances over the last few hundred years, going
back to the 18th century quadrilles and probably earlier.
The Ladies' Chains in Chestnut contras were probably danced that way
originally.
Of course If the man maintains that Allemande position he will end
up facing the wrong way in most dances. So he will usually have to make a
quick turn to his left at the end of the Allemande. I find it quite hard to
persuade the men NOT to touch the lady with their right arm. Many ECD
dances contain this move and I understand that some American ladies hate it
when the man guides her with his right arm.
So, between the two extremes of the man ending up facing out, and
the man putting his right arm around the lady, you have the compromise of
starting the Allemande normally, but then the man turning towards the lady
as the move ends - this is known in some circles as a Polite Turn.
Happy dancing,
John
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My dance You Married My Daughter (written in 1987) has a Ladies Chain into
an Allemande Left, although I find it less confusing to teach it as "ladies
pull by, allemande left with the opposite gent.
You Married My Daughter
Jacob Bloom
Duple Improper
Balance in long lines (gents facing out), slide past to right
Balance left and right, slide to left
Balance in long lines, allemande right 3/4
Gents allemande left once and a half
Balance and swing partner
end facing across
Promenade across
Ladies pull by, allemande left with opposite gent to long lines
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Don Veino via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Hi Esther,
>
> Such a move is in my Greenfield Tornado dance. Choreo and a video link is
> on my blog post <http://veino.com/blog/?p=1363>. I'm not aware of any
> other dance until now which used this combination, but would be happy to
> give credit to a prior pioneer.
>
> -Don
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Esther Fraser via Callers <
> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> Also interested in other dances that have a Ladies' Chain to into
>> Allemande Left (with the one you chain to) combo. I think I might have seen
>> it somewhere, but I can't remember where.
>
>
>
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I was given this dance years ago, but failed to note who wrote it.
A1. DSD 1.25 to a short wave (women in the middle) (8), balance the wave TWICE (8)
A2. With Crnt Nbr Allm Rt 0.75. With Nxt Nbr (along the line) Allm Lft 1.0.
With Crnt Nbr Allm Rt 0.75. Men pull by Lft
B1. B&S P
B2. R&L thru, Circ Lft 0.75, ready to pass thru and DSD
April Blum
Hi Martha,
Interesting idea about transitions and poise points. I’m working on a dance with transitions I think are interesting, but worry they could be too jarring (have not tried it on human salt shakers yet). Here’s the first part:
Start: improper
A1 1-4 Ladies chain up and down set to neighbor, courtesy turn (at end releasing right hand, hold on to the left, facing each other across the set)
5-8 Swat the flea
A2 1-8 (turn up/down the set to) Balance and swing partner
One possible way to “smooth” the transition from the courtesy turn might be to release the right hand early and use left hands to turn the lady under (clockwise, lady turn right) before going into the balance for the swat, but I resist having it be a forced twirl. Perhaps folks would “discover” that on their own.
What other transistions or poise points do folks find interesting?
Thanx, Ric Goldman
letsdance(a)rgoldman.org
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Hi, all. Actually, I think the transition from the petronella to the ladies chain is a good one. There are certain moves in dancing, that I’ve heard called “poise points,” where one purposefully switches direction, and it can be very satisfying. For me, the spin to the right feels like the winding up of a spring that you then unleash in the other direction. Some dances that look as if they have good flow end up having so much clockwise spin that it tires people.
On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > wrote:
Hi Esther,
If anyone has not mentioned it, I feel there is a kink in the flow trying to go from a petronella to a chain. As you spin R, it is the left hand which feels available as you face the set because your body has been rotating clockwise, even as it move CCW around the minor set. So there will be this washing machine action to get into the chain. You might be counting on the claps to arrest that movement, but I still feel it's not an especially satisfying entry into the chain. A gents chain, otoh, would be peachy.
What, to you, is the hook in this dance? What were you going for?
Best,
Andrea
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On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Esther Fraser via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > wrote:
Hey folks,
Has anyone seen this dance already?
A1: Balance the ring & petronella
Ladies Chain
A2: Full Hey, Ladies pass R (16)
B1: Ladies Chain
P Allemande L
B2: Balance the ring & Petronella
Balance the ring & California twirl
Also interested in other dances that have a Ladies' Chain to into Allemande Left (with the one you chain to) combo. I think I might have seen it somewhere, but I can't remember where.
Thanks,
Esther Fraser
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I am looking for a dance titled either Rapid City Reel, or Rocket City Reel.
The dance has back to back interrupted square thru two hands.
Can anyone help me with this one?
Rich
Stafford, CT
I am at the point that I want to reorganize my dance box to be able to better program an evening. I plan to go to “categories of dance features”, and have listed what I am thinking for possible categories below.
I am wondering how others organize their boxes - if categories, what do you include ? Do you file Becket and/or Double Progression separately from “dance categories”, or just note on card ?
Or do you have another suggestion ?
Possible Categories:
Easy and ONS Contras
California Twirl
Full Hey
1/2 Hey
Down the Hall
Petronella
Mad Robin
Short Wavy Lines
Long Wavy Lines
Zig Zag
Balance the Ring
Box The Gnat
? Four Facing Four
? Becket
? Double Progression
? Unique (e.g. Wizards Walk)
Appreciate your suggestions !! Thanks - Cheryl
Cheryl Joyal
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Hey folks,
Has anyone seen this dance already?
A1: Balance the ring & petronella
Ladies Chain
A2: Full Hey, Ladies pass R (16)
B1: Ladies Chain
P Allemande L
B2: Balance the ring & Petronella
Balance the ring & California twirl
Also interested in other dances that have a Ladies' Chain to into Allemande
Left (with the one you chain to) combo. I think I might have seen it
somewhere, but I can't remember where.
Thanks,
Esther Fraser
I am looking for a contra dance titled, "If You Can Walk, You can Dance",
or maybe, "If you Can Dance, You Can Walk".
Would someone please share it, or a link.
Thanks,
Rich
Hi! Had an idea and wanted to share it with y'all!
Venturing Vortices
Improper by Kelsey Hartman 3.18.2017
{Started out as a dance written for the Ides of March (called Berkeley
dance 3.15.2017) called "Take a Stab at It,"
(Sharon Gavin suggested the title)
but the B1's timing didn't quite work. Loved the flow of the A1 and A2 so
re-wrote the ending and renamed it.}
A1: (16) Balance the ring and jersey twirl to swing neighbor
A2: (16) Gents start 1/2 hey and ladies ricochet back to partner SWING
B1: (16) (eFace away from partner) pass Shadow #1 by left, Shadow #2 by
right, LEFT shoulder round Shadow #3, RETURN pass #2 by right, #1 by left
B2: (8) Circle Left with partner and current neighbors 3/4, CA twirl and
(8) Circle Right 1x around (move it!)
Would love comments...thanks, Dan Veino for sharing the jersey twirl...
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