2 Jul
2017
2 Jul
'17
1:06 p.m.
Rich's dance inspired this:
A1. Heads forward and back. Dosido opp.
A2. Swing opposit, face sides, circle left
B1. Same 4 star right, heads star left
B2. Bal. C, box, dosido, pull by
C1. Do paso (partner left, corner right, partner left)
C2. 4 ladies chain ........
The one thing I don't like is the dosido in the B2. It's there for timing. It
could be taken out is you wanted a more patter square feel.
The timing is easy in the first half and a bit tighter in the second. There isn't
much partner interaction so if I ever try this I'll use a break that includes a P
swing.
__________________________________________________________
1a. Question about a square
Posted by: "Rich Sbardella" richsbardella(a)gmail.com
Date: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:55 am ((PDT))
Here is a square with MWSD roots. I am wondering if is too much for an
experienced contra crowd? Is there a similar square in the trad circles?
Hds DSD and face sides (8)
Star R with the sides (8)
Hds to Center Star L (8)
With same outside two R&L Thru (6)
Rollaway with Half Sashay (4)
Box Gnat (4)
Pull By (2)
Allemande Left (4)
New Partner Swg (4)
Promenade (16)
Any thoughts?
Rich Sbardella
Stafford, CT
2 Jul
2 Jul
3:10 p.m.
Tom,
I actually like the Dosido, it gives callers an option to cal on phrase or
to abandon the phrase. There is also the option of a roll promenade in
lieu of the ladies chain. Thanks for sharing.
Rich
On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Tom Hinds twhinds(a)earthlink.net
[trad-dance-callers] <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Rich's dance inspired this:
A1. Heads forward and back. Dosido opp.
A2. Swing opposit, face sides, circle left
B1. Same 4 star right, heads star left
B2. Bal. C, box, dosido, pull by
C1. Do paso (partner left, corner right, partner left)
C2. 4 ladies chain ........
The one thing I don't like is the dosido in the B2. It's there for
timing. It could be taken out is you wanted a more patter square feel.
The timing is easy in the first half and a bit tighter in the second.
There isn't much partner interaction so if I ever try this I'll use a break
that includes a P swing.
__________________________________________________________
1a. Question about a square
Posted by: "Rich Sbardella" richsbardella(a)gmail.com
Date: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:55 am ((PDT))
Here is a square with MWSD roots. I am wondering if is too much for an
experienced contra crowd? Is there a similar square in the trad circles?
Hds DSD and face sides (8)
Star R with the sides (8)
Hds to Center Star L (8)
With same outside two R&L Thru (6)
Rollaway with Half Sashay (4)
Box Gnat (4)
Pull By (2)
Allemande Left (4)
New Partner Swg (4)
Promenade (16)
Any thoughts?
Rich Sbardella
Stafford, CT
8:34 p.m.
Can I jump in?
If I were to write for a standard MWSD singing call, I would make sure that it had 64
beats per verse. There would be an intro, 2 verses for heads, middle break, two verses for
sides and a closer. That equals 7 X 64 = 448 beats plus 16 beat start and 16 beat wrap and
that equals 480 total beats divided by 128 beats/minute = 3 min and 45 seconds. Remember,
MWSD use recorded music.
Here is my thoughts for the dance using seven verses:Music:_ _ _ _ _ _
_ __ _ _ _ Heads Sq Thru
_ _ _ _ Hds Star R with sides_ _ _ _ Hds Star L in
Center_ _ _ _ Pass Thru, Uturn Back_ _ _ _ _ _
DoSaDo
_ _ _ _ _ _ Swing New Partner_ _ _ _ _ _
Promenade_ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _
repeat for heads again and twice for the sides. The only problem would be the square
thru. The sides need to step back one step to allow the four shoulders to get between
them, but they don't remember to step forward to close the gap, making the square too
big. NOW to add flavor to the dance on beats 63 & 64 say Number one lady out and form
two stars one like Venus and one like Mars, now the ladies in and the men out change those
two stars round about and now the ladies out once again and the men in and this time
pickup your honey with an arm around in a star promenade. Now the men back out once and a
half putting the ladies in the middle with a R Hd star promenade. Now spread the star way
out wide and the girls duck under the men's right side to a left allemande, R & L
Grand and Promenade home.
Slide this after the verses for heads and one verse for sides and you should have
something for a dance if you first work it for one square without other people around and
then have them as your slow motion demo square.
Otto WartemanTrinity, Teaxs
From: "Tom Hinds twhinds(a)earthlink.net [trad-dance-callers]"
<trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
To: trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 8:07 AM
Subject: [trad-dance-callers] Bouncing square ideas
Rich's dance inspired this:
A1. Heads forward and back. Dosido opp.
A2. Swing opposit, face sides, circle left
B1. Same 4 star right, heads star left
B2. Bal. C, box, dosido, pull by
C1. Do paso (partner left, corner right, partner left)
C2. 4 ladies chain ........
The one thing I don't like is the dosido in the B2. It's there for timing. It
could be taken out is you wanted a more patter square feel.
The timing is easy in the first half and a bit tighter in the second. There isn't
much partner interaction so if I ever try this I'll use a break that includes a P
swing.
______________________________ ____________________________
1a. Question about a square
Posted by: "Rich Sbardella" richsbardella(a)gmail.com
Date: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:55 am ((PDT))
Here is a square with MWSD roots. I am wondering if is too much for an
experienced contra crowd? Is there a similar square in the trad circles?
Hds DSD and face sides (8)
Star R with the sides (8)
Hds to Center Star L (8)
With same outside two R&L Thru (6)
Rollaway with Half Sashay (4)
Box Gnat (4)
Pull By (2)
Allemande Left (4)
New Partner Swg (4)
Promenade (16)
Any thoughts?
Rich Sbardella
Stafford, CT
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9:07 p.m.
Hello Otto,
I think your modified square might take a lot of time to demo/walkthru, and
might be a bit much for most of the contra evenings I call.
Perhaps using your basic 7 verse dance, as modified would work well.
*_ _ _ _ _ _Heads Fwd & Bk*
*_ _ _ _ _ _Heads Sq Thru*
*_ _ _ _ _ _With outside 2*
*RH Star _ _ _ Hds to Center Center*
*Star Left_ _ _ _ Back to the Same two*
*Box Gnat _ _ DoSaDo _ _*
*Swing New Partner _ _ _ _** Promenade*
The Dosido is cut short to allow for a longer swing. I used a box the gnat
instead of pass thru-u turn back to provide some connectivity, but your
sequence would work as well.
Rich
On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Otto Warteman owarteman(a)yahoo.com
[trad-dance-callers] <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Can I jump in?
If I were to write for a standard MWSD singing call, I would make sure
that it had 64 beats per verse. There would be an intro, 2 verses for
heads, middle break, two verses for sides and a closer. That equals 7 X 64
= 448 beats plus 16 beat start and 16 beat wrap and that equals 480 total
beats divided by 128 beats/minute = 3 min and 45 seconds. Remember, MWSD
use recorded music.
Here is my thoughts for the dance using seven verses:
Music:
*_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _*
*_ _ _ _ Heads Sq Thru*
*_ _ _ _ Hds Star R with sides*
*_ _ _ _ Hds Star L in Center*
*_ _ _ _ Pass Thru, Uturn Back*
*_ _ _ _ _ _ DoSaDo*
*_ _ _ _ _ _ Swing New Partner*
*_ _ _ _ _ _ Promenade*
*_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _*
*_ _ _ _ _ _ *
repeat for heads again and twice for the sides. The only problem would be
the square thru. The sides need to step back one step to allow the four
shoulders to get between them, but they don't remember to step forward to
close the gap, making the square too big. *NOW* to add flavor to the
dance on beats 63 & 64 say Number one lady out and form two stars one like
Venus and one like Mars, now the ladies in and the men out change those two
stars round about and now the ladies out once again and the men in and this
time pickup your honey with an arm around in a star promenade. Now the men
back out once and a half putting the ladies in the middle with a R Hd star
promenade. Now spread the star way out wide and the girls duck under the
men's right side to a left allemande, R & L Grand and Promenade home.
Slide this after the verses for heads and one verse for sides and you
should have something for a dance if you first work it for one square
without other people around and then have them as your slow motion demo
square.
Otto Warteman
Trinity, Teaxs
------------------------------
*From:* "Tom Hinds twhinds(a)earthlink.net [trad-dance-callers]" <
trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
*To:* trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, July 2, 2017 8:07 AM
*Subject:* [trad-dance-callers] Bouncing square ideas
Rich's dance inspired this:
A1. Heads forward and back. Dosido opp.
A2. Swing opposit, face sides, circle left
B1. Same 4 star right, heads star left
B2. Bal. C, box, dosido, pull by
C1. Do paso (partner left, corner right, partner left)
C2. 4 ladies chain ........
The one thing I don't like is the dosido in the B2. It's there for
timing. It could be taken out is you wanted a more patter square feel.
The timing is easy in the first half and a bit tighter in the second.
There isn't much partner interaction so if I ever try this I'll use a break
that includes a P swing.
______________________________ ____________________________
1a. Question about a square
Posted by: "Rich Sbardella" richsbardella(a)gmail.com
Date: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:55 am ((PDT))
Here is a square with MWSD roots. I am wondering if is too much for an
experienced contra crowd? Is there a similar square in the trad circles?
Hds DSD and face sides (8)
Star R with the sides (8)
Hds to Center Star L (8)
With same outside two R&L Thru (6)
Rollaway with Half Sashay (4)
Box Gnat (4)
Pull By (2)
Allemande Left (4)
New Partner Swg (4)
Promenade (16)
Any thoughts?
Rich Sbardella
Stafford, CT
9:33 p.m.
Another bounce -- or maybe a ricochet
Here's a figure I've used with my "Wrinkle in time" dance in NJ. I
think
of it as the "Tilt-A-Whirl" dance, and I have a modern urban contra
variation.
A1 Heads (sides) fwd and back; h/s promenade halfway around the outside
A2 H/S meet couple on the right (ie. cpl 1 and couple 4; couple 3 and
couple 2)
join hands and circle left
B1 Turn your circles and go around them, ride the tilt a whirl
(two circles of four continue circling left while going around the other
group of four
moving counterclockwise)
B2 Keep that circle turning then head back home and swing with your own
I call this using the "My Little Girl" music by Von Tilzer (Take Me Out to
the Ballgame composer)
I'll write out the lyrics some time -- I'm sort of improvising it now --
cross between patter and singing square.
With contra dancers, it's (in the B1) circle and swing your corner -- then
the tilt-a whirl (bouquet waltz; pokey eight) and end up home swinging with
. . . "my little girl". That actually smooths out the "go home and swing
partner" with gents leading ladies nicely back to home.
Just sharing.
Ridge
--
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance. - Anonymous
And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least
once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at
least one laugh. - Friedrich Nietzsche
11:25 p.m.
Ridge,
Is this one of your own? It's a real dandy.
In your second variation, there are two swings. How does the timing
work out? It looks like you are including more action in the second
version than in the first. Or maybe I'm missing something.
I'm not clear on the timing in the A2. Lead right would take 4 beats
and circle left 8. So I'm assuming that the figures just blend from
one to the other and it all ends with a swing at the end of the B2.
In other words the sum of the figures equal 64 but the moves
themselves don't clearly fit the music as some other dances.
T
On Jul 2, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Ridge Kennedy srk3nn3dy(a)gmail.com [trad-
dance-callers] wrote:
Another bounce -- or maybe a ricochet
Here's a figure I've used with my "Wrinkle in time" dance in NJ. I
think of it as the "Tilt-A-Whirl" dance, and I have a modern urban
contra variation.
A1 Heads (sides) fwd and back; h/s promenade halfway around the
outside
A2 H/S meet couple on the right (ie. cpl 1 and couple 4; couple 3
and couple 2)
join hands and circle left
B1 Turn your circles and go around them, ride the tilt a whirl
(two circles of four continue circling left while going around the
other group of four
moving counterclockwise)
B2 Keep that circle turning then head back home and swing with your
own
I call this using the "My Little Girl" music by Von Tilzer (Take Me
Out to the Ballgame composer)
I'll write out the lyrics some time -- I'm sort of improvising it
now -- cross between patter and singing square.
With contra dancers, it's (in the B1) circle and swing your corner
-- then the tilt-a whirl (bouquet waltz; pokey eight) and end up
home swinging with . . . "my little girl". That actually smooths
out the "go home and swing partner" with gents leading ladies
nicely back to home.
Just sharing.
Ridge
--
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance. - Anonymous
And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced
at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not
accompanied by at least one laugh. - Friedrich Nietzsche
3 Jul
3 Jul
1:09 a.m.
Tom said:
In your second variation, there are two swings. How
does the timing work
out? It looks like you are including more action in the second
version
than in the first. Or maybe I'm missing something.
The corner swing ends at the end of A2. Contra dancers are accustomed to
ending swings on the end of the musical phrase, so it works out ok. That
puts the gent behind his partner lady during the bouquet waltz and you end
up with a nicer, smoother transition into the swing back at home.
I'm not clear on the timing in the A2.
Lead right would take 4 beats and circle left 8.
Promenade half and lead right is more like 8 or 10. So the circle and
swing end up pretty well phrased.
So I'm assuming that the figures just blend from
one to the other and it
all ends with a swing at the end of the B2. In other words the sum of the
figures equal 64 but the moves themselves don't clearly fit the music as
some other dances.
Yes, that sums it up. For a dance party crowd especially -- no corner
swing, that's how it works. Folks are doing elbow swings and the timing is
pretty ragged, so you allow lots of time for the bouquet waltz and get them
home and swinging and then, since the next figure is a fwd and back to
start things off again, there is still more recovery time.
As noted, it works well with Tucker's Waltz. I'll try to write out the
lyric/patter I've been using this week. It would be good for me to get
that settled down. I've been faking it and that is not a good thing to do.
R
5 Jul
5 Jul
8:42 p.m.
Ridge,
I’d be interested in the patter/lyric. And apologies if you already sent it to the list
and I somehow deleted it.
sue
Sue Hulsether
shulsether(a)mac.com
www.suehulsether.com
608-632-1267 Cell
608-629-6250 Home
P.O. Box 363
Viroqua, WI 54665
On Jul 2, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Ridge Kennedy
srk3nn3dy(a)gmail.com [trad-dance-callers] <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Tom said:
In your second variation, there are two swings.
How does the timing work out? It looks like you are including more action in the second
version than in the first. Or maybe I'm missing something.
The corner swing ends at the end of A2. Contra dancers are accustomed to ending swings
on the end of the musical phrase, so it works out ok. That puts the gent behind his
partner lady during the bouquet waltz and you end up with a nicer, smoother transition
into the swing back at home.
I'm not clear on the timing in the A2.
Lead right would take 4 beats and circle left 8.
Promenade half and lead right is more like 8 or 10. So the circle and swing end up
pretty well phrased.
So I'm assuming that the figures just blend from one to the other and it all ends
with a swing at the end of the B2. In other words the sum of the figures equal 64 but the
moves themselves don't clearly fit the music as some other dances.
Yes, that sums it up. For a dance party crowd especially -- no corner swing, that's
how it works. Folks are doing elbow swings and the timing is pretty ragged, so you allow
lots of time for the bouquet waltz and get them home and swinging and then, since the next
figure is a fwd and back to start things off again, there is still more recovery time.
As noted, it works well with Tucker's Waltz. I'll try to write out the
lyric/patter I've been using this week. It would be good for me to get that settled
down. I've been faking it and that is not a good thing to do.
R
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