Proper Dance, gender free yet not too simple
A1 Neighbor allemande left 1 1/2
1st corners allemande right 1 1/2
A2 Scoop your partner as you go by, star promenade then butterfly
2nd corners swing in the center, then separate
B1 Partner balance and swing
B2 Take hands in a ring, balance and petranella
Couple 2 swing in the center, end facing up
Dances can have variety and challenges without gender reference. In this
dance, as long as you make clear in the teaching that after the neighbor
allemande left 1 1/2 if you are facing in, you are a 1st corner so you
allemande right, if facing out you are a 2nd corner, get ready to be scooped
you can end the swings any way you want.
Ron, you are certainly right that not all dances can be easily taught in
this manner, but in no way are all of these type of dances simple. I
struggled with translating a "choose your noun" for ladies or gents because
that is how I learned and think about the dance roles. The translation
process adds a layer of complexity for me. I am just offering a different
approach that works for me.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers
Clockwise / counterclockwise - too wordy, and some people have trouble
with this regardless.
Hey: What about on the left diagonal? Along the set?
I also really don't like the blaming of the dance if it's not 100%
intuitive. Plenty of dances flow great but have a counter-intuitive
element. Restricting dances to those without counter-intuitive moves
is basically saying, "Sorry, if we want to be genderfree, we need to
put a cap on how difficult a dance is. Sorry genderfree dancers, you
aren't allowed to dance too advanced." That's a big problem.
Rollaways can *not* be handled from left to right - who does the
rolling is not indicated at all!
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Dave Casserly
> Also with regard to Ron's questions, numbers 2 and 3 (who-leads-whom and
> who-walks-forward) can be handled by using the terms "clockwise" and
> "counterclockwise." As to 4 (who passes whom for a hey), I agree with
> that if the dance is good, it should be obvious, but even if not, "pass
> shoulders in the middle for a hey for four" can only be interpreted one
> so that fixes the issue of referring to roles. Roll-aways can be
> with "roll away from the left to the right" or "roll away from the
> the left."
> I'm not saying that it's perfect, but it is actually quite doable to
> call a
> dance without referring to roles at all, even without resorting to first
> second corners.
> Perry asked for an example of a dance with global terminology used.
> one (just picking a common, typical dance):
> Square Affair, by Becky Hill
> A1 Long Lines, 1st corners chain (or just say "chain" if you're
> experienced dancers and don't want to use the corners terminology)
> A2 Balance and pull by partner, pull by neighbor, balance and pull by
> partner, pull by neighbor
> B1 New neighbors balance and swing
> B2 Circle 3/4, partner swing
> Perry, you also mentioned that you are trying to figure out how global
> terminology would work for proper dances. I have always called proper
> dances using global terminology without even thinking about it. For
> Jig, for instance, why would you ever need to use the term "gent" or
> Down the outside, back, down the middle, back and neighbor
> turn, 1s turn contra corners, 1s balance and swing. Nothing that any
> particular role does that the other role isn't doing at the same time.
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Bob Morgan via Callers
> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>> With regard to Ron's questions
>> 1. Would be easily covered by 1st or 2nd corners walk forward to a wave
>> 2. Again can be done with reference to corners
>> 3. Not so familiar with these.
>> 4. You usually only need an obvious first pass person so not an issue I
>> 5. If you're facing out you turn, if you're facing across you walk is
>> I call it anyway
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers
>> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>> Andrea, how would you handle the following:
>>> 1. Lines of one role/position to the center to a wavy line, as in Trip
>>> Lambertville, et all?
>>> 2. Indication of who walks forward / backs up in a gypsy star?
>>> 3. Indication of who-leads-who, such as in Ramsay Chase, Pedal
>>> Jurassic Redheads, etc.
>>> 4. Indication of who is passing while calling a hey.
>>> 5. Indication of who crosses, who turns in a box circulate?
>>> 6. Indication any other role/position specific move that I haven't
>>> mentioned? Turn over right shoulder, as in Fairport Harbour?
>>> None of these fall under the "most unusual figures" as you
>>> On Jun 1, 2015 11:59 AM, "Andrea Nettleton via Callers"
>>> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>> In previous discussions here, on FB, and privately with organizers at
>>>> Hampshire over the last two years, I have discussed the possible use
>>>> global terminology for gender free contra. I would contend that if
>>>> everyone would become more aware of the structure of dances. Only
>>>> the most
>>>> unusual figures/sequences would be unable to be called. The addition
>>>> first and second corner positions to the arsenal makes it possible
>>>> for same
>>>> role dancers to also be called upon to dance together without
>>>> reference to
>>>> gender. Second corners chain, or first corners allemande L 1 1/2 for
>>>> example. It would have to be agreed that this refers to those
>>>> standing in
>>>> those positions at that moment. In ECD we use first and second
>>>> corners to
>>>> refer to the people, first and second diagonals for the positions.
>>>> since we use diagonal to refer to those across and over one set, this
>>>> unhelpful. Simply corner positions works better. I'm glad some
>>>> folks are
>>>> trying it out at last. I had hoped for an opportunity myself before
>>>> Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask
>>>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Jim Hemphill via Callers
>>>> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>> The recent discussions on this topic inspired me to try an experiment
>>>> gender free calling. Last night I called the contra dance in St.
>>>> using gender free calling without telling anyone. The experiment
>>>> was a
>>>> great success. I received lots of positive feedback on the evenings
>>>> At the break and after the dance I made a point to ask several
>>>> dancers, some
>>>> were callers as well, if they noticed anything different or unusual
>>>> the dances or how I taught them. One person noticed that there were
>>>> dances that included a swing in the center for couple 2 than usual.
>>>> No one
>>>> I talked to noticed that the calls and teaching were gender free.
>>>> It took some extra time to construct a fun, diverse 3 hour program,
>>>> it is certainly possible. Re-labeling the dancers is not the only
>>>> way to
>>>> call gender free.
>>>> If you are interested in the program I used or the larger collection
>>>> gender free dances I chose the program from, send me an email,
>>>> Jim Hemphill
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