Following your suggestion, I have posted a question to the owner of the YouTube video. I have also emailed Colonial Williamsburg (via the "Contact Us") asking about the dance. Both are long shots, but we shall see if anything comes of either.
Tom
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Tom --
That's really interesting!
This is clearly either a new composition or a fix-up of a triple-minor
into a three-couple set. The announcer sure sounds to me like he's
saying "The Pilgrim".
There's a well-known early-1700s playford dance-tune-combo called "The
Pilgrim".
http://www.izaak.unh.edu/nhltmd/indexes/dancingmaster/Dance/Play4291.htm
(This was reconstructed by Bernard Bentley, published in the Fallibroome
Collection, had the date 1721 attached to it at that time (which is what
then shows up on online in ball notes, etc, but according to Bob
Keller's index, referenced above, the dance with the same figures
appears first "The Pillgrim" in 1703 and on through 1728, and a quick
eyeball at the link above shows that Bentley's reconstruction isn't
fanciful.)
Here's a video of modern ECD dancers dancing Bentley's version.
http://dancevideos.childgrove.org/ecd/playford/202-the-pilgrim
Those don't sound like the same tune to me.
This is:
A1: 1-2: M1 cast to 2nd place, M2 moving up
3-4: M1 and W3 set
5-8: M1 and W3 crossed-arm allemande 1x
A2: as above with W1 leading
B1: bottom two couples face neighbor, top couple faces partner, start
complete
grand chain/rights and lefts around ring back to this place
B2: 1-2: 1s in middle place move to the top (chassee sideways, walk,
whatever)
3-4: 1s improvise something (setting, turn under, patty case)
5-8: 1s move to bottom as 3s move up to fill in.
So the figures are not wildly outre for stuff you'll find in period
sources [although my impression is that there's way more eight-count
setting than four-count setting in period sources] ,and I presume the
improv of B2 is added to make the performance more interesting, and the
tune sounds perfectly reasonable to my inexpert ears, but I have no idea
what it is or where it's from.
It seems like a fun dance and handy to have a three-couple with a figure
that involves everybody and isn't either another circle (*yawn*) or a
mirror hey.
Which is a very long way of saying "don't know, let us know if you find
out anything". Have you considered writing a comment on the youtube
video asking the poster for a source? I see the poster responded to an
earlier comment.
-- Alan
On 11/22/15 12:14 PM, Tom Willson tjwill3(a)sbcglobal.net
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> Hello All,
> Can anyone please identify the dance and the tune being played in this video?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BDGGlRo3OI
>
> I think the announcer says "The Pilgrim", but I have been unable to find a dance and/or tune with that title. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> thank you,
> Tom Willson
> Simi Valley, CA
>
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The Pilgrim; or, Lord Phoppington was published in the Dancing Master
Vol 1, 11th (1701)-18th (1728) editions. Bernard Bentley published his
interpretation in the Fallibroome Collection Book 2 in 1965. This is not
that dance! I cannot find any dance with the same figure sequence In the
Dance Figures Index, American Country Dances 1730-1810.
--
Michael Barraclough
michael(a)michaelbarraclough.com
www.michaelbarraclough.com
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Hello All,
Can anyone please identify the dance and the tune being played in this
video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BDGGlRo3OI
I think the announcer says "The Pilgrim", but I have been unable to find
a dance and/or tune with that title. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.
thank you,
Tom Willson
Simi Valley, CA
