10 Oct
2023
10 Oct
'23
11:41 a.m.
Hey all,
I have a bit of a quandary. I just found out two incredible contra
musicians will be in my area. They will be here the day after our local
dance. I have a small quasi local band booked already.
Here is the question - is it ethical to ask booked band to change their
date (they play a lot in our dance) IF visiting musicians are available &
willing?
Thanks in advance,
Mary (Buffalo)
10 Oct
10 Oct
12:04 p.m.
Hi Mary,
I think it's fine to ask them so long as you are able to swap them to
another date. People end up trading around dates for all kinds of reasons.
Just my opinion, though.
Chloe
Local band booking for PATMAD contra in Philadelphia
On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 7:42 AM Mary Collins via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hey all,
I have a bit of a quandary. I just found out two incredible contra
musicians will be in my area. They will be here the day after our local
dance. I have a small quasi local band booked already.
Here is the question - is it ethical to ask booked band to change their
date (they play a lot in our dance) IF visiting musicians are available &
willing?
Thanks in advance,
Mary (Buffalo)
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12:46 p.m.
Totally agree. Life happens good/bad and sometimes organizers (and performers also!)
need/want to swap things. Being transparent often leads to good results.
DonnaEmail: dhuntdancer(a)aol.com
Cell: 215-565-6050
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 08:40:56 AM EDT, Kimbi Hagen via Organizers
<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I totally agree with Chloe. I’ve been in this exact situation more than once before and
it was fine. The key is simply to be transparent and equitable. I.e., just make sure your
local band knows two things: that this is only an attempt to take advantage of an unusual
opportunity, so they don’t assume you are doing it because you like the other band
“better,” and that you will ensure they still end up with the same number of gigs for the
month/quarter/year as any other band in your local rotation, so they don’t feel short
changed or taken for granted.
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On Oct 10, 2023, at 8:07 AM, Chloe Maryam Mohr via Organizers
<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Mary,
I think it's fine to ask them so long as you are able to swap them to another date.
People end up trading around dates for all kinds of reasons.
Just my opinion, though.
ChloeLocal band booking for PATMAD contra in Philadelphia
On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 7:42 AM Mary Collins via Organizers
<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hey all,
I have a bit of a quandary. I just found out two incredible contra musicians will be in my
area. They will be here the day after our local dance. I have a small quasi local band
booked already.
Here is the question - is it ethical to ask booked band to change their date (they play a
lot in our dance) IF visiting musicians are available & willing?
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1:48 p.m.
As a musician who's been asked about rescheduling, it's a very reasonable
thing to do as long as you communicate well.
Agreed with Kimbi that you don't want to make the local band think you're
saying "we think they're better than you" -- the important thing is that
the local band is very likely to be able to make other dates work while the
visiting musicians would need the specific date.
Jeff
On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 8:47 AM Donna Hunt via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Totally agree.
Life happens good/bad and sometimes organizers (and performers also!)
need/want to swap things. Being transparent often leads to good results.
Donna
Email: dhuntdancer(a)aol.com
Cell: 215-565-6050
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 08:40:56 AM EDT, Kimbi Hagen via
Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I totally agree with Chloe. I’ve been in this exact situation more than
once before and it was fine. The key is simply to be transparent and
equitable. I.e., just make sure your local band knows two things: that
this is only an attempt to take advantage of an unusual opportunity, so
they don’t assume you are doing it because you like the other band
“better,” and that you will ensure they still end up with the same number
of gigs for the month/quarter/year as any other band in your local
rotation, so they don’t feel short changed or taken for granted.
Sent from my "Smart" Phone
(so please excuse bizarre and nonsensical Auto-corrects)
On Oct 10, 2023, at 8:07 AM, Chloe Maryam Mohr via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Mary,
I think it's fine to ask them so long as you are able to swap them to
another date. People end up trading around dates for all kinds of reasons.
Just my opinion, though.
Chloe
Local band booking for PATMAD contra in Philadelphia
On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 7:42 AM Mary Collins via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hey all,
I have a bit of a quandary. I just found out two incredible contra
musicians will be in my area. They will be here the day after our local
dance. I have a small quasi local band booked already.
Here is the question - is it ethical to ask booked band to change their
date (they play a lot in our dance) IF visiting musicians are available &
willing?
Thanks in advance,
Mary (Buffalo)
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12:11 p.m.
Yes.
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Subject: [Organizers] Ethical question
Hey all,
I have a bit of a quandary. I just found out two incredible contra musicians will be in my
area. They will be here the day after our local dance. I have a small quasi local band
booked already.
Here is the question - is it ethical to ask booked band to change their date (they play a
lot in our dance) IF visiting musicians are available & willing?
Thanks in advance,
Mary (Buffalo)
5:30 p.m.
Have you considered hosting a dance the day after your local dance?
Or does that break pattern too much? Or facility isn't available?
Here in N. GA we're trying to have ad hoc dances to accommodate the
odd touring band situation. We have 3 small ad hoc dance venues
to pick up these situations. That hasn't settled out entirely:
- bands don't know they have the option
- dancers aren't used to the ad hoc so while we do get dancers the
path to these venues is not well troden
- the established dances (weekly, monthly, ...) don't always initiate
the option to the touring bands they book
In other words, the ecosystem isn't established yet and who knows
whether it ever will be.
I do acknowledge that at Sautee where they're averaging some 160 to 220
dancers on a Sat. night
(once a month) when they hosted their first weekend dance those dancers
didn't come out en masse
for the Friday dance. I'm assuming the dancers are used to "Saturday" so
"Friday" was out of pattern.
Upcoming example is Hot Coffee Breakdown playing Atlanta Friday and
Sautee Saturday at the
end of this month. My wife knows Tom and initiated their playing at Chez
Marie in Dahlonega on
Sunday. Chez Marie is a new small venue designed to pick up these ad
hoc dances w/ good
touring bands.
... just tossing out options to chew on ...
Heitzso
Hey all,
I have a bit of a quandary. I just found out two incredible contra
musicians will be in my area. They will be here the day after our
local dance. I have a small quasi local band booked already.
Here is the question - is it ethical to ask booked band to change
their date (they play a lot in our dance) IF visiting musicians are
available & willing?
Thanks in advance,
Mary (Buffalo)
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9:11 p.m.
Yes, ask. Talk with them about the circumstance, be sure they understand
that you value them too. Offer them free admission to the out of town
musicians dance. The out of town musicians play "different" music sets,
not necessarily "better".
Jamey
Birdsboro, PA
On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 7:43 AM Mary Collins via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hey all,
I have a bit of a quandary. I just found out two incredible contra
musicians will be in my area. They will be here the day after our local
dance. I have a small quasi local band booked already.
Here is the question - is it ethical to ask booked band to change their
date (they play a lot in our dance) IF visiting musicians are available &
willing?
Thanks in advance,
Mary (Buffalo)
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11 Oct
11 Oct
12:49 a.m.
Thank you for all your input. It seems that it is a moot point, they are
already books for the night in question. This, however, is good feedback
should the situation ever arise again!
Mary (near Buffalo)
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who
couldn't hear the music." - Nietzsche
“Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass ... it's about learning
to dance in the rain!” ~ unknown
On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 7:41 AM Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
I have a bit of a quandary. I just found out two incredible contra
musicians will be in my area. They will be here the day after our local
dance. I have a small quasi local band booked already.
Here is the question - is it ethical to ask booked band to change their
date (they play a lot in our dance) IF visiting musicians are available &
willing?
Thanks in advance,
Mary (Buffalo)
4:01 a.m.
Mary,
To get more input for reference in case a similar situation comes up in the future, you
might try asking your question on the <musicians(a)sharedweight.net> list.
--Jim
(Santa Clara, CA)
On Oct 10, 2023, at 5:49 PM, Mary Collins via
Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Thank you for all your input. It seems that it is a moot point, they are already books
for the night in question. This, however, is good feedback should the situation ever
arise again!
Mary (near Buffalo)
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who couldn't
hear the music." - Nietzsche
“Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass ... it's about learning to dance in
the rain!” ~ unknown
On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 7:41 AM Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
I have a bit of a quandary. I just found out two incredible contra musicians will be in
my area. They will be here the day after our local dance. I have a small quasi local band
booked already.
Here is the question - is it ethical to ask booked band to change their date (they play a
lot in our dance) IF visiting musicians are available & willing?
Thanks in advance,
Mary (Buffalo)
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