20 Dec
2022
20 Dec
'22
2:45 a.m.
For those of you with a COVID policy regarding testing (particularly re:
performers "testing in" to be on stage unmasked) - please consider your
lead time and possibilities for contingency action. We'll be changing the
policy of our dance due to our experience tonight.
Our caller (me!) tested upon arrival at the hall. Entered masked, helped
get set up going and then discovered a positive result. Thirty minutes to
the first dance, folks already en route. Best efforts made, the dance was
able to happen without me but just barely.
We will be requiring this optional testing now to happen within a specified
period which will provide for sufficient time to react appropriately before
the event set up commences.
20 Dec
20 Dec
6:47 p.m.
I would have thought that anyone testing before attending or performing at a dance would
determine that their test was actually negative before entering the hall and potentially
exposing people. Liz Sturgen
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:46 PM, Don Veino via
Organizers<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: For those of you with a COVID
policy regarding testing (particularly re: performers "testing in" to be on
stage unmasked) - please consider your lead time and possibilities for contingency action.
We'll be changing the policy of our dance due to our experience tonight.
Our caller (me!) tested upon arrival at the hall. Entered masked, helped get set up going
and then discovered a positive result. Thirty minutes to the first dance, folks already en
route. Best efforts made, the dance was able to happen without me but just barely.
We will be requiring this optional testing now to happen within a specified period which
will provide for sufficient time to react appropriately before the event set up
commences.
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6:52 p.m.
I've seen policies of "test on arrival, keep your N95 on until your test
resolves" in a lot of places, and I think they're often a reasonable
tradeoff: it means your test is as current as possible, an N95 is very
effective, and the chance of a positive is low.
If the rule was "everyone tested and wearing an N95 the whole time" that
would be different, but this is a situation where the default was to keep
the N95 on and not test.
Jeff
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:48 PM lsturgen--- via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I would have thought that anyone testing before
attending or performing at
a dance would determine that their test was actually negative before
entering the hall and potentially exposing people.
Liz Sturgen
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:46 PM, Don Veino via Organizers
<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
For those of you with a COVID policy regarding testing (particularly re:
performers "testing in" to be on stage unmasked) - please consider your
lead time and possibilities for contingency action. We'll be changing the
policy of our dance due to our experience tonight.
Our caller (me!) tested upon arrival at the hall. Entered masked, helped
get set up going and then discovered a positive result. Thirty minutes to
the first dance, folks already en route. Best efforts made, the dance was
able to happen without me but just barely.
We will be requiring this optional testing now to happen within a
specified period which will provide for sufficient time to react
appropriately before the event set up commences.
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6:57 p.m.
Liz, that makes perfect sense in retrospect. However, many venues do not
require testing for folks who remain masked and have had a "test in to
unmask" approach for performers while on stage (where they were masked
elsewhere and, until receiving a negative result, on stage as well).
Greenfield's own central policy states:
"Band members may unmask when on-stage for some series, but only if they
have a negative rapid test on the day of the dance. Event publicity will
clearly state whether performers may be unmasked at that specific event."
Note there's no specific timeline stated there for when the testing shall
happen other than it be on the day of.
That's the point I'm raising from our recent experience.
-Don
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:47 PM lsturgen(a)aol.com <lsturgen(a)aol.com> wrote:
I would have thought that anyone testing before
attending or performing at
a dance would determine that their test was actually negative before
entering the hall and potentially exposing people.
Liz Sturgen
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:46 PM, Don Veino via Organizers
<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
For those of you with a COVID policy regarding testing (particularly re:
performers "testing in" to be on stage unmasked) - please consider your
lead time and possibilities for contingency action. We'll be changing the
policy of our dance due to our experience tonight.
Our caller (me!) tested upon arrival at the hall. Entered masked, helped
get set up going and then discovered a positive result. Thirty minutes to
the first dance, folks already en route. Best efforts made, the dance was
able to happen without me but just barely.
We will be requiring this optional testing now to happen within a
specified period which will provide for sufficient time to react
appropriately before the event set up commences.
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7:13 p.m.
Fascinating and valuable discussion. Our policy requires the test for
any unmasked talent to be completed immediately before they enter the
hall, on the principle that anyone with a low enough virus load to pass
a rapid test is unlikely to pose a risk to the dancers. This adds a
dimension we hadn't considered. Losing a caller or musician at the last
minute is a serious problem, and adding to the time lag between the test
and the end of the dance increases the risk.
Martin
On 12/20/22 10:57, Don Veino via Organizers wrote:
Liz, that makes perfect sense in retrospect. However,
many venues do
not require testing for folks who remain masked and have had a "test
in to unmask" approach for performers while on stage (where they were
masked elsewhere and, until receiving a negative result, on stage as
well).
Greenfield's own central policy states:
"Band members may unmask when on-stage for some series, but only if
they have a negative rapid test on the day of the dance. Event
publicity will clearly state whether performers may be unmasked at
that specific event."
Note there's no specific timeline stated there for when the testing
shall happen other than it be on the day of.
That's the point I'm raising from our recent experience.
-Don
7:39 p.m.
Understood, and I am sorry if my tone seemed harsh. It seems that "on the day of the
dance" may be the best compromise between giving a little lead time in case a
substitute performer must be found, and keeping the testing reasonable current.
Some of the Greenfield series do not allow for unmasked performers, or may make an
exception for wind players. It is up to the organizers.
Liz
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:58 PM, Don Veino<sharedweight_net(a)veino.com> wrote:
Liz, that makes perfect sense in retrospect. However, many venues do not require testing
for folks who remain masked and have had a "test in to unmask" approach for
performers while on stage (where they were masked elsewhere and, until receiving a
negative result, on stage as well).
Greenfield's own central policy states:
"Band members may unmask when on-stage for some series, but only if they have a
negative rapid test on the day of the dance. Event publicity will clearly state whether
performers may be unmasked at that specific event."
Note there's no specific timeline stated there for when the testing shall happen other
than it be on the day of.
That's the point I'm raising from our recent experience.
-Don
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:47 PM lsturgen(a)aol.com <lsturgen(a)aol.com> wrote:
I would have thought that anyone testing before attending or performing at a dance would
determine that their test was actually negative before entering the hall and potentially
exposing people. Liz Sturgen
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:46 PM, Don Veino via
Organizers<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: For those of you with a COVID
policy regarding testing (particularly re: performers "testing in" to be on
stage unmasked) - please consider your lead time and possibilities for contingency action.
We'll be changing the policy of our dance due to our experience tonight.
Our caller (me!) tested upon arrival at the hall. Entered masked, helped get set up going
and then discovered a positive result. Thirty minutes to the first dance, folks already en
route. Best efforts made, the dance was able to happen without me but just barely.
We will be requiring this optional testing now to happen within a specified period which
will provide for sufficient time to react appropriately before the event set up
commences.
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21 Dec
21 Dec
8:15 p.m.
And this is (part of) the insidious problem with an often symptomless disease. Of course
if we test as a pro forma, we expect a negative result. Don, I hope you come through
quickly at remains a mild case.
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Subject: [Organizers] Re: Performer "Testing to Unmask" Policy Timing
Liz, that makes perfect sense in retrospect. However, many venues do not require testing
for folks who remain masked and have had a "test in to unmask" approach for
performers while on stage (where they were masked elsewhere and, until receiving a
negative result, on stage as well).
Greenfield's own central policy states:
"Band members may unmask when on-stage for some series, but only if they have a
negative rapid test on the day of the dance. Event publicity will clearly state whether
performers may be unmasked at that specific event."
Note there's no specific timeline stated there for when the testing shall happen other
than it be on the day of.
That's the point I'm raising from our recent experience.
-Don
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:47 PM lsturgen@aol.com<mailto:lsturgen@aol.com>
<lsturgen@aol.com<mailto:lsturgen@aol.com>> wrote:
I would have thought that anyone testing before attending or performing at a dance would
determine that their test was actually negative before entering the hall and potentially
exposing people.
Liz Sturgen
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wrote:
For those of you with a COVID policy regarding testing (particularly re: performers
"testing in" to be on stage unmasked) - please consider your lead time and
possibilities for contingency action. We'll be changing the policy of our dance due to
our experience tonight.
Our caller (me!) tested upon arrival at the hall. Entered masked, helped get set up going
and then discovered a positive result. Thirty minutes to the first dance, folks already en
route. Best efforts made, the dance was able to happen without me but just barely.
We will be requiring this optional testing now to happen within a specified period which
will provide for sufficient time to react appropriately before the event set up
commences.
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8:52 p.m.
Thanks Penelope, so far so good(ish).
Regarding the language, I plan on revising our policy to specify a deadline
of 4 hours before the event start time - hopefully sufficient to find
alternative talent in case of a positive result yet support timely data.
-Don
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 3:15 PM Penelope Weinberger <
pz_weinberger(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
And this is (part of) the insidious problem with an
often symptomless
disease. Of course if we test as a pro forma, we expect a negative result.
Don, I hope you come through quickly at remains a mild case.
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*Subject:* [Organizers] Re: Performer "Testing to Unmask" Policy Timing
Liz, that makes perfect sense in retrospect. However, many venues do not
require testing for folks who remain masked and have had a "test in to
unmask" approach for performers while on stage (where they were masked
elsewhere and, until receiving a negative result, on stage as well).
Greenfield's own central policy states:
"Band members may unmask when on-stage for some series, but only if they
have a negative rapid test on the day of the dance. Event publicity will
clearly state whether performers may be unmasked at that specific event."
Note there's no specific timeline stated there for when the testing shall
happen other than it be on the day of.
That's the point I'm raising from our recent experience.
-Don
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:47 PM lsturgen(a)aol.com <lsturgen(a)aol.com> wrote:
I would have thought that anyone testing before attending or performing at
a dance would determine that their test was actually negative before
entering the hall and potentially exposing people.
Liz Sturgen
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:46 PM, Don Veino via Organizers
<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
For those of you with a COVID policy regarding testing (particularly re:
performers "testing in" to be on stage unmasked) - please consider your
lead time and possibilities for contingency action. We'll be changing the
policy of our dance due to our experience tonight.
Our caller (me!) tested upon arrival at the hall. Entered masked, helped
get set up going and then discovered a positive result. Thirty minutes to
the first dance, folks already en route. Best efforts made, the dance was
able to happen without me but just barely.
We will be requiring this optional testing now to happen within a
specified period which will provide for sufficient time to react
appropriately before the event set up commences.
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9:07 p.m.
I'd like to suggest that, perhaps orgs should consider a second change (for
those that don't already):
When a positive case is reported to a dance org a few days after a dance
(and thus in a contagious window) perhaps _all dancers_ should be
encouraged to rapid test, and not merely people who show symptoms. I
realize not everyone will do it, but it costs nothing to ask folks and try
and limit asymptomatic spread. (I'll bring this with my org next meeting.)
In dance,
Julian Blechner
He/Him
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 3:54 PM Don Veino via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Thanks Penelope, so far so good(ish).
Regarding the language, I plan on revising our policy to specify a
deadline of 4 hours before the event start time - hopefully sufficient to
find alternative talent in case of a positive result yet support timely
data.
-Don
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 3:15 PM Penelope Weinberger <
pz_weinberger(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
And this is (part of) the insidious problem with
an often symptomless
disease. Of course if we test as a pro forma, we expect a negative result.
Don, I hope you come through quickly at remains a mild case.
------------------------------
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*Subject:* [Organizers] Re: Performer "Testing to Unmask" Policy Timing
Liz, that makes perfect sense in retrospect. However, many venues do not
require testing for folks who remain masked and have had a "test in to
unmask" approach for performers while on stage (where they were masked
elsewhere and, until receiving a negative result, on stage as well).
Greenfield's own central policy states:
"Band members may unmask when on-stage for some series, but only if they
have a negative rapid test on the day of the dance. Event publicity will
clearly state whether performers may be unmasked at that specific event."
Note there's no specific timeline stated there for when the testing shall
happen other than it be on the day of.
That's the point I'm raising from our recent experience.
-Don
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:47 PM lsturgen(a)aol.com <lsturgen(a)aol.com>
wrote:
I would have thought that anyone testing before attending or performing
at a dance would determine that their test was actually negative before
entering the hall and potentially exposing people.
Liz Sturgen
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:46 PM, Don Veino via Organizers
<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
For those of you with a COVID policy regarding testing (particularly re:
performers "testing in" to be on stage unmasked) - please consider your
lead time and possibilities for contingency action. We'll be changing the
policy of our dance due to our experience tonight.
Our caller (me!) tested upon arrival at the hall. Entered masked, helped
get set up going and then discovered a positive result. Thirty minutes to
the first dance, folks already en route. Best efforts made, the dance was
able to happen without me but just barely.
We will be requiring this optional testing now to happen within a
specified period which will provide for sufficient time to react
appropriately before the event set up commences.
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9:36 p.m.
My wife got covid at Roanoke Railroader last summer and I got it from her.
I researched then (so relevant to variants then, not necessarily current variants)
and most transmission occurs 1 to 2 days before testing to 2 to 3 days after testing.
I don't know if that is relevant to this discussion because ...
I assume most people test when they start to feel different from normal health ...
which might explain the "1 to 2 days before testing" transmission
and that's different from a "test regardless of how you feel to dance"
testing policy.
But, I do not know that. That just happens to be the data.
Turkey Quicky, a mini-weekend, fortunately escaped covid spread though
someone tested positive Saturday morning after dancing Friday night.
(most dancers were unmasked)
A KY weekend dance before TQ had a roughly 20% covid
spread with a recent negative test and a negative test on entry policy.
I'm not saying what policy should or should not be enacted to
prevent the spread of covid. I'm just noting one official statistic
and two recent weekend dances data points.
-Heitzso
22 Dec
22 Dec
3:17 a.m.
I know we all hate them, but some dances are still requiring masks. Has
there been documented spread at a dance where everyone is in a (K)N95 or
better, like a Breeze 99? How about vax+mask or vax+test+mask? I think we
all know that vax+test-mask=spread, from numerous events this past summer
and since.
I'd also be interested in a professional opinion on whether our gyrations
mean anything if we're not also masking full time when we're out and
about. I know the theory, dance is more breathing and close up for a long
time, but the new variants are so infectious that I wonder if that
matters. If you're getting 10x the infectious dose in the grocery store,
protection during a dance wouldn't matter much. It's like locking the
doors and leaving all the windows open. But, maybe it's 0.1x the
infectious dose at the grocery, and our measures do matter. I'm only
interested in data, not speculation. Does anyone have any?
--jh--
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 4:37 PM Heitzso via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
My wife got covid at Roanoke Railroader last summer
and I got it from her.
I researched then (so relevant to variants then, not necessarily current
variants)
and most transmission occurs 1 to 2 days before testing to 2 to 3 days
after testing.
I don't know if that is relevant to this discussion because ...
I assume most people test when they start to feel different from normal
health ...
which might explain the "1 to 2 days before testing" transmission
and that's different from a "test regardless of how you feel to dance"
testing policy.
But, I do not know that. That just happens to be the data.
Turkey Quicky, a mini-weekend, fortunately escaped covid spread though
someone tested positive Saturday morning after dancing Friday night.
(most dancers were unmasked)
A KY weekend dance before TQ had a roughly 20% covid
spread with a recent negative test and a negative test on entry policy.
I'm not saying what policy should or should not be enacted to
prevent the spread of covid. I'm just noting one official statistic
and two recent weekend dances data points.
-Heitzso
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3:47 a.m.
Dances with vax+mask policy I know offhand with no reported spreads,
despite a culture of "please test if you feel ill, please tell us, and we
will tell dancers":
Greenfield, MA
BIDA, MA
Concord, MA
Downtown Amherst Contra, MA
Rainbow Contra in Western Mass
Pioneer Valley's ECD
Montpelier, VT (I believe?)
Glen Echo, MD
Pinewoods camp weeks that had this policy, at least masking and testing for
3 days
Albany Contra, NY (I am pretty sure)
Portland, ME's new series
Unsure about CDNY, but I am pretty sure too.
-Julian
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 10:17 PM Joe Harrington via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I know we all hate them, but some dances are still
requiring masks. Has
there been documented spread at a dance where everyone is in a (K)N95 or
better, like a Breeze 99? How about vax+mask or vax+test+mask? I think we
all know that vax+test-mask=spread, from numerous events this past summer
and since.
I'd also be interested in a professional opinion on whether our gyrations
mean anything if we're not also masking full time when we're out and
about. I know the theory, dance is more breathing and close up for a long
time, but the new variants are so infectious that I wonder if that
matters. If you're getting 10x the infectious dose in the grocery store,
protection during a dance wouldn't matter much. It's like locking the
doors and leaving all the windows open. But, maybe it's 0.1x the
infectious dose at the grocery, and our measures do matter. I'm only
interested in data, not speculation. Does anyone have any?
--jh--
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 4:37 PM Heitzso via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
My wife got covid at Roanoke Railroader last
summer and I got it from her.
I researched then (so relevant to variants then, not necessarily current
variants)
and most transmission occurs 1 to 2 days before testing to 2 to 3 days
after testing.
I don't know if that is relevant to this discussion because ...
I assume most people test when they start to feel different from normal
health ...
which might explain the "1 to 2 days before testing" transmission
and that's different from a "test regardless of how you feel to dance"
testing policy.
But, I do not know that. That just happens to be the data.
Turkey Quicky, a mini-weekend, fortunately escaped covid spread though
someone tested positive Saturday morning after dancing Friday night.
(most dancers were unmasked)
A KY weekend dance before TQ had a roughly 20% covid
spread with a recent negative test and a negative test on entry policy.
I'm not saying what policy should or should not be enacted to
prevent the spread of covid. I'm just noting one official statistic
and two recent weekend dances data points.
-Heitzso
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4:34 a.m.
I think you can add all the BACDS camps and dances in the SF Bay Area to the vax(and
boosted)+mask = no spread so far list.
(We bump up to also requiring tests within six hours of the start of the dance if CDC
level is read.)
-- Alsn
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Subject: [Organizers] Re: Performer "Testing to Unmask" Policy Timing
Dances with vax+mask policy I know offhand with no reported spreads, despite a culture of
"please test if you feel ill, please tell us, and we will tell dancers":
Greenfield, MA
BIDA, MA
Concord, MA
Downtown Amherst Contra, MA
Rainbow Contra in Western Mass
Pioneer Valley's ECD
Montpelier, VT (I believe?)
Glen Echo, MD
Pinewoods camp weeks that had this policy, at least masking and testing for 3 days
Albany Contra, NY (I am pretty sure)
Portland, ME's new series
Unsure about CDNY, but I am pretty sure too.
-Julian
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 10:17 PM Joe Harrington via Organizers
<organizers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
wrote:
I know we all hate them, but some dances are still requiring masks. Has there been
documented spread at a dance where everyone is in a (K)N95 or better, like a Breeze 99?
How about vax+mask or vax+test+mask? I think we all know that vax+test-mask=spread, from
numerous events this past summer and since.
I'd also be interested in a professional opinion on whether our gyrations mean
anything if we're not also masking full time when we're out and about. I know the
theory, dance is more breathing and close up for a long time, but the new variants are so
infectious that I wonder if that matters. If you're getting 10x the infectious dose
in the grocery store, protection during a dance wouldn't matter much. It's like
locking the doors and leaving all the windows open. But, maybe it's 0.1x the
infectious dose at the grocery, and our measures do matter. I'm only interested in
data, not speculation. Does anyone have any?
--jh--
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wrote:
My wife got covid at Roanoke Railroader last summer and I got it from her.
I researched then (so relevant to variants then, not necessarily current variants)
and most transmission occurs 1 to 2 days before testing to 2 to 3 days after testing.
I don't know if that is relevant to this discussion because ...
I assume most people test when they start to feel different from normal health ...
which might explain the "1 to 2 days before testing" transmission
and that's different from a "test regardless of how you feel to dance"
testing policy.
But, I do not know that. That just happens to be the data.
Turkey Quicky, a mini-weekend, fortunately escaped covid spread though
someone tested positive Saturday morning after dancing Friday night.
(most dancers were unmasked)
A KY weekend dance before TQ had a roughly 20% covid
spread with a recent negative test and a negative test on entry policy.
I'm not saying what policy should or should not be enacted to
prevent the spread of covid. I'm just noting one official statistic
and two recent weekend dances data points.
-Heitzso
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4:45 a.m.
You can also add the Sacramento Country Dance Society. We have an
exception rule for wind players and such that requires an observed test
immediately before entering the hall specifically on the principle that
if the viral load is beneath the test threshold, the three hours of the
dance will probably pass before their contagiousness ripens fully. That
leaves us, of course, vulnerable to the risk of losing s crucial
performer (like the caller) too late to find a replacement.
Martin
On 12/21/22 20:34, Winston, Alan P. via Organizers wrote:
I think you can add all the BACDS camps and dances in
the SF Bay Area to the vax(and boosted)+mask = no spread so far list.
(We bump up to also requiring tests within six hours of the start of the dance if CDC
level is read.)
-- Alsn
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Subject: [Organizers] Re: Performer "Testing to Unmask" Policy Timing
Dances with vax+mask policy I know offhand with no reported spreads, despite a culture of
"please test if you feel ill, please tell us, and we will tell dancers":
Greenfield, MA
BIDA, MA
Concord, MA
Downtown Amherst Contra, MA
Rainbow Contra in Western Mass
Pioneer Valley's ECD
Montpelier, VT (I believe?)
Glen Echo, MD
Pinewoods camp weeks that had this policy, at least masking and testing for 3 days
Albany Contra, NY (I am pretty sure)
Portland, ME's new series
Unsure about CDNY, but I am pretty sure too.
-Julian
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 10:17 PM Joe Harrington via Organizers
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I know we all hate them, but some dances are still requiring masks. Has there been
documented spread at a dance where everyone is in a (K)N95 or better, like a Breeze 99?
How about vax+mask or vax+test+mask? I think we all know that vax+test-mask=spread, from
numerous events this past summer and since.
I'd also be interested in a professional opinion on whether our gyrations mean
anything if we're not also masking full time when we're out and about. I know the
theory, dance is more breathing and close up for a long time, but the new variants are so
infectious that I wonder if that matters. If you're getting 10x the infectious dose
in the grocery store, protection during a dance wouldn't matter much. It's like
locking the doors and leaving all the windows open. But, maybe it's 0.1x the
infectious dose at the grocery, and our measures do matter. I'm only interested in
data, not speculation. Does anyone have any?
--jh--
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 4:37 PM Heitzso via Organizers
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wrote:
My wife got covid at Roanoke Railroader last summer and I got it from her.
I researched then (so relevant to variants then, not necessarily current variants)
and most transmission occurs 1 to 2 days before testing to 2 to 3 days after testing.
I don't know if that is relevant to this discussion because ...
I assume most people test when they start to feel different from normal health ...
which might explain the "1 to 2 days before testing" transmission
and that's different from a "test regardless of how you feel to dance"
testing policy.
But, I do not know that. That just happens to be the data.
Turkey Quicky, a mini-weekend, fortunately escaped covid spread though
someone tested positive Saturday morning after dancing Friday night.
(most dancers were unmasked)
A KY weekend dance before TQ had a roughly 20% covid
spread with a recent negative test and a negative test on entry policy.
I'm not saying what policy should or should not be enacted to
prevent the spread of covid. I'm just noting one official statistic
and two recent weekend dances data points.
-Heitzso
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1:56 p.m.
Montpelier is masks required but vax NOT required. We've had no documented
spread. (A single case or two after one dance, but no more.) We let callers
choose whether or not to be unmasked, and we know some musicians will need
to be unmasked (ie wind players). We don't require testing for unmasked
talent, but it's an interesting idea! We're always taking a look at our
policies and reassessing, given the ever evolving nature of this pandemic.
Dana
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 11:45 PM Martin Lodahl via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
You can also add the Sacramento Country Dance Society.
We have an
exception rule for wind players and such that requires an observed test
immediately before entering the hall specifically on the principle that if
the viral load is beneath the test threshold, the three hours of the dance
will probably pass before their contagiousness ripens fully. That leaves
us, of course, vulnerable to the risk of losing s crucial performer (like
the caller) too late to find a replacement.
Martin
On 12/21/22 20:34, Winston, Alan P. via Organizers wrote:
I think you can add all the BACDS camps and dances in the SF Bay Area to the vax(and
boosted)+mask = no spread so far list.
(We bump up to also requiring tests within six hours of the start of the dance if CDC
level is read.)
-- Alsn
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2022 7:47 PM
To: Joe Harrington
Cc: A list for dance organizers
Subject: [Organizers] Re: Performer "Testing to Unmask" Policy Timing
Dances with vax+mask policy I know offhand with no reported spreads, despite a culture of
"please test if you feel ill, please tell us, and we will tell dancers":
Greenfield, MA
BIDA, MA
Concord, MA
Downtown Amherst Contra, MA
Rainbow Contra in Western Mass
Pioneer Valley's ECD
Montpelier, VT (I believe?)
Glen Echo, MD
Pinewoods camp weeks that had this policy, at least masking and testing for 3 days
Albany Contra, NY (I am pretty sure)
Portland, ME's new series
Unsure about CDNY, but I am pretty sure too.
-Julian
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 10:17 PM Joe Harrington via Organizers
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<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
I know we all hate them, but some dances are still requiring masks. Has there been
documented spread at a dance where everyone is in a (K)N95 or better, like a Breeze 99?
How about vax+mask or vax+test+mask? I think we all know that vax+test-mask=spread, from
numerous events this past summer and since.
I'd also be interested in a professional opinion on whether our gyrations mean
anything if we're not also masking full time when we're out and about. I know the
theory, dance is more breathing and close up for a long time, but the new variants are so
infectious that I wonder if that matters. If you're getting 10x the infectious dose
in the grocery store, protection during a dance wouldn't matter much. It's like
locking the doors and leaving all the windows open. But, maybe it's 0.1x the
infectious dose at the grocery, and our measures do matter. I'm only interested in
data, not speculation. Does anyone have any?
--jh--
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 4:37 PM Heitzso via Organizers
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<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
My wife got covid at Roanoke Railroader last summer and I got it from her.
I researched then (so relevant to variants then, not necessarily current variants)
and most transmission occurs 1 to 2 days before testing to 2 to 3 days after testing.
I don't know if that is relevant to this discussion because ...
I assume most people test when they start to feel different from normal health ...
which might explain the "1 to 2 days before testing" transmission
and that's different from a "test regardless of how you feel to dance"
testing policy.
But, I do not know that. That just happens to be the data.
Turkey Quicky, a mini-weekend, fortunately escaped covid spread though
someone tested positive Saturday morning after dancing Friday night.
(most dancers were unmasked)
A KY weekend dance before TQ had a roughly 20% covid
spread with a recent negative test and a negative test on entry policy.
I'm not saying what policy should or should not be enacted to
prevent the spread of covid. I'm just noting one official statistic
and two recent weekend dances data points.
-Heitzso
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1:22 p.m.
BIDA had seven reports of people testing positive after the 2022-05-01
dance, which was the last one before which we switched to requiring
N95/KN95/KF94/etc
<https://blog.bidadance.org/2022/05/requiring-high-filtration-masks.html>.
(Though a bunch of the ones testing positive carpooled together from ~2hr
away)
Jeff
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 10:48 PM Julian Blechner via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Dances with vax+mask policy I know offhand with no
reported spreads,
despite a culture of "please test if you feel ill, please tell us, and we
will tell dancers":
Greenfield, MA
BIDA, MA
Concord, MA
Downtown Amherst Contra, MA
Rainbow Contra in Western Mass
Pioneer Valley's ECD
Montpelier, VT (I believe?)
Glen Echo, MD
Pinewoods camp weeks that had this policy, at least masking and testing
for 3 days
Albany Contra, NY (I am pretty sure)
Portland, ME's new series
Unsure about CDNY, but I am pretty sure too.
-Julian
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022, 10:17 PM Joe Harrington via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I know we all hate them, but some dances are
still requiring masks. Has
there been documented spread at a dance where everyone is in a (K)N95 or
better, like a Breeze 99? How about vax+mask or vax+test+mask? I think we
all know that vax+test-mask=spread, from numerous events this past summer
and since.
I'd also be interested in a professional opinion on whether our gyrations
mean anything if we're not also masking full time when we're out and
about. I know the theory, dance is more breathing and close up for a long
time, but the new variants are so infectious that I wonder if that
matters. If you're getting 10x the infectious dose in the grocery store,
protection during a dance wouldn't matter much. It's like locking the
doors and leaving all the windows open. But, maybe it's 0.1x the
infectious dose at the grocery, and our measures do matter. I'm only
interested in data, not speculation. Does anyone have any?
--jh--
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My wife got covid at Roanoke Railroader last
summer and I got it from
her.
I researched then (so relevant to variants then, not necessarily current
variants)
and most transmission occurs 1 to 2 days before testing to 2 to 3 days
after testing.
I don't know if that is relevant to this discussion because ...
I assume most people test when they start to feel different from normal
health ...
which might explain the "1 to 2 days before testing" transmission
and that's different from a "test regardless of how you feel to dance"
testing policy.
But, I do not know that. That just happens to be the data.
Turkey Quicky, a mini-weekend, fortunately escaped covid spread though
someone tested positive Saturday morning after dancing Friday night.
(most dancers were unmasked)
A KY weekend dance before TQ had a roughly 20% covid
spread with a recent negative test and a negative test on entry policy.
I'm not saying what policy should or should not be enacted to
prevent the spread of covid. I'm just noting one official statistic
and two recent weekend dances data points.
-Heitzso
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2:22 p.m.
Re: "1 to 2 days before testing" transmission.
For what it's worth, when I got it I had symptoms for ~9 days and 3
negative tests including PCR before I tested positive.
(I was staying home that whole time, because it was "something" even
if not COVID.)
I've read it tends to take longer to test positive when you're fully
vaxed, and I had my 2nd booster a week before exposure.
-A different Don.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 4:37 PM Heitzso via Organizers
<organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
My wife got covid at Roanoke Railroader last summer and I got it from her.
I researched then (so relevant to variants then, not necessarily current variants)
and most transmission occurs 1 to 2 days before testing to 2 to 3 days after testing.
I don't know if that is relevant to this discussion because ...
I assume most people test when they start to feel different from normal health ...
which might explain the "1 to 2 days before testing" transmission
and that's different from a "test regardless of how you feel to dance"
testing policy.
But, I do not know that. That just happens to be the data.
Turkey Quicky, a mini-weekend, fortunately escaped covid spread though
someone tested positive Saturday morning after dancing Friday night.
(most dancers were unmasked)
A KY weekend dance before TQ had a roughly 20% covid
spread with a recent negative test and a negative test on entry policy.
I'm not saying what policy should or should not be enacted to
prevent the spread of covid. I'm just noting one official statistic
and two recent weekend dances data points.
-Heitzso
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4:39 p.m.
You can add The HistoricalTea and Dance Society to the
“ Dances with vax+mask policy I know offhand with no reported spreads.”
We’ve been going strong for over a year and a half (minus a six week
showdown during the Omicron surge).
Also all the Los Angeles based ECD and contra have similar policies.
We recommend folks trying a variety of different masks and see which one
works best for you.
Darlene Hamilton
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Darlene Hamilton
*Caller, Dancer, Founder of*
*The Historical Tea & Dance Society*
*Historical Balls, Tea Dances, and Historical Dance classes*
*For more information about events and classes go
to**www.historicalteaanddance.org
<http://www.historicalteaanddance.org/>*
*Like us on facebook!*
6:34 p.m.
Add Seattle WA to the list -- two weekly dances now, on Thursdays and
Fridays. Both series have vax+booster required, bivalent booster strongly
recommended, as well as asking all attendees to sign an agreement to let
the organizers know if you test positive within a week after attending the
dance. Dancers are required to mask; callers & musicians can choose to mask
or not while on stage and I don't believe there's a testing requirement at
either dance (I've called at both, but preferred to keep my mask on anyway,
so I didn't ask). Both dances have had some isolated positive reports over
time, as you would expect from regular non-dance exposure, but there have
been no clusters that would suggest spread is likely to have occurred at
the dance.
The dance tonight in Seattle has been canceled because a performer is ill
-- they were originally scheduled for last week, caught Covid and swapped
to this week, but then had a rebound and decided canceling entirely was a
better plan. Fortunately there was plenty of notice, and because of the
contact tracing policies the organizer has everyone's email addresses to
let them know of the cancellation! Also fortunately, it's a mild case and
they expect to make a full recovery.
Koren
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You can add The HistoricalTea and Dance Society to
the
“ Dances with vax+mask policy I know offhand with no reported spreads.”
We’ve been going strong for over a year and a half (minus a six week
showdown during the Omicron surge).
Also all the Los Angeles based ECD and contra have similar policies.
We recommend folks trying a variety of different masks and see which one
works best for you.
Darlene Hamilton
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Darlene Hamilton
*Caller, Dancer, Founder of*
*The Historical Tea & Dance Society*
*Historical Balls, Tea Dances, and Historical Dance classes*
*For more information about events and classes go to**www.historicalteaanddance.org
<http://www.historicalteaanddance.org/>*
*Like us on facebook!*
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12:14 a.m.
PCDC (Portland (Oregon) Country Dance Society)
Our weekly dances and our English Ball require Vax+booster and "well fitted
masks". Performers may choose to be unmasked while on stage
We've been dancing since April 2022, we've had a small handful of
reports of positive tests, but, no additional reports from the events
NW Passage ( Dance weekend, most dancers stay on-site), required Vax+
booster and "well fitted masks" and a negative rapid test when folks
arrived at camp. Performers could choose to be unmasked while on stage
- There were no reports of positive tests after camp.
David
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1:57 a.m.
We have been dancing in Lansing MI since March 2022. We have so far required vax+booster
and masks (now only in the dance hall). There was one case and possibly a second of Covid
being caught at a dance since then.
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