[Organizers] Re: Seeking news on covid infections from dances with vaccination

On Aug 23, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Ron Blechner via Organizers &lt;organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: Hey, know what's really shitty? When an autistic person tells you that something harms them - in this case, vaccine skepticism - and then rather than pause, listen, and reconsider, instead you deny what they've said. I'm not going to dignify Weogo or Terri's replies, but I won't be silenced by them. On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 5:47 PM Terri Widergren via Organizers &lt;organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:     PS   I want to add,that I have no issue with vaccines, and have     gotten mine, but I want to honor the perspective of others and     appreciate the opportunity to dialogue about the differences not     argue.     On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 2:39 PM Terri Widergren &lt;twidgal(a)gmail.com     <mailto:twidgal@gmail.com>> wrote:         Thank you, Weogo, for your thoughtful response and citing your         sources so I can further investigate your perspective.  I         heard no vaccine hate rhetoric, just concern and curiosity         from your point of view and openness to other ideas if folks         want to present them in a way that supports claims and opinion.         This is such a divisive and emotionally charged topic, my         heart has been aching over the division being created on so         many levels in our society.  I  hear your heart of concern and         sincerity and the amount of researching and soul searching you         are doing about Covid, and appreciate it.  There can be so         many hurtful and unproductive reactions to one another when         someone does not align with our perspective.  May we find new         ways of hearing and seeing the humanity in each other.         Yes, good health to all as we trust our wisdom and conscious         to guide us,         Terri         On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:28 AM Weogo Reed via Organizers         &lt;organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net         <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:             Hi Folks,                  I'm not on a hill, looking for a fight or intending             to harm, insult             or shame anyone.             The best outcome of this exchange is for all of us to be a             bit more             educated.             CDC / NIH / FDA:                  Historically the CDC and NIH were sources of current,             accurate             health information.             Small and low-income countries often used CDC/NIH             recommendations             verbatim as their health guidelines.              From what I see today, they appear remarkably slow to             acknowledge some             current science.             Vitamin D:                  "Several recent studies have looked at the impact of             vitamin D on             COVID-19. One study of 489 people found that those who had             a vitamin D             deficiency were more likely to test positive for the virus             that causes             COVID-19 than people who had normal levels of vitamin D.                   Other research has observed high rates of vitamin D             deficiency in             people with COVID-19 who experienced acute respiratory             failure. These             people had a significantly higher risk of dying. And a             small, randomized             study found that of 50 people hospitalized with COVID-19             who were given             a high dose of a type of vitamin D (calcifediol), only one             needed             treatment in the intensive care unit. In contrast, among             the 26 people             with COVID-19 who weren't given calcifediol, 13 needed to             be treated in             the intensive care unit."             https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/c…             <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-and-vitamin-d/faq-20493088>             Note that the current RDA(Recommended Daily Allowance) is             for bone health.             For optimal health, it may be more.              From Liz:             "Sunshine and fresh air will not keep you safe."                  Partially correct.  They can increase your health and             improve your             body's covid response.             Sunshine helps your body produce Vitamin D.                   Time outside for me generally equals exercise  -  in             the garden,             doing construction, walking/hiking and more.             For the past year and a half, my one gig as a sound person             was outside,             providing audio for             the local state university's graduation in May, with             everybody masked             and spaced 6'.             Liz wrote:             "And then there's this:             https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-iverm…             <https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19>"             f    There's wide evidence the FDA is out of date on their             Ivermectin             information.             I suggest reading this website:             https://covid19criticalcare.com/             <https://covid19criticalcare.com/>             Moderna safety under review:             https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-probing-moderna-vaccine-increased-heart…             <https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-probing-moderna-vaccine-increased-heart-inflammation-risk-washington-post-2021-08-20/>             Deaths from Covid 'incredibly rare' among children:             https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w             <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w>                   With an extremely low covid risk for children, and             some risk from             any medicine,             Is vaccinating children for covid the wisest choice?             Liz wrote:             "The nation's hospitals are filled with young, otherwise             healthy, mostly             unvaccinated             people dying of Covid."             Can you please provide data?             I couldn't find hospitalization data for young,             unvaccinated people, but             did find this for deaths, based on age:             https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime             <https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime>             With so few deaths among the young, might it be accurate             to say there             aren't that many in hospitals?             Ron wrote:             "We need everyone vaccinated."             Is natural immunity or vaccine-acquired immunity better?                  Here's one voice:             https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is…             <https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM>                  From the BBC today:             https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098             <https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098>             There are many points of view to this question, and it may             boil down to             what's best for an individual.                  I suggest we consider what we really need is for             everybody to be             healthy and             have covid immunity, not necessarily vaccination.                  For Americans, 42% are obese:             https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html             <https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html>             Could this be a more significant health issue than covid?             Would you support an effective Public Health campaign for             obesity             education and reduction?                  Someone I love dearly is morbidly obese.             I remember when he was slim and healthy.             He now has multiple health issues that are known to be             caused by             obesity yet says the health issues are causing the obesity.             (May be a bit of both?)             Currently he is taking multiple medications and seeing a             psychiatrist that             isn't helping him be healthier, just more drugged.                  If I got anything wrong here, please correct me and             cite your sources.             Thanks and good health,  Weogo             _______________________________________________             Organizers mailing list --             organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net             <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>             To unsubscribe send an email to             organizers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net             <mailto:organizers-leave@lists.sharedweight.net>     _______________________________________________     Organizers mailing list -- organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net     <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>     To unsubscribe send an email to     organizers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net     <mailto:organizers-leave@lists.sharedweight.net> _______________________________________________ Organizers mailing list -- organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net> To unsubscribe send an email to organizers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:organizers-leave@lists.sharedweight.net>