In Michigan, Bay City Travelers in Traverse Bay area, the Lansing communities are both closed through November. At this time Kalamazoo and Grand Rapids have closed through October but we may extend through November as we are in High zone.

Laurie Pietravalle

~ When I dance, I cannot judge, I cannot hate, I cannot separate myself from life. I can only be joyful and whole, that is why I dance. ~Hans Bos~ ~


On Monday, August 23, 2021, 07:10:14 PM EDT, Walker Sloan via Organizers <organizers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:



Seth,

While we all prefer staying on topic and avoiding unnecessary conflict,
I would respectively suggest that today, organizing contra dances IS a
discussion of COVID.

The most we can do in this discussion of to attempt to remain
respectful.  Again, unfortunately, that cannot be applied to being
respectful towards disinformation.

"You're wrong, and your information is dangerous."  Awfully hard to
remain respectful.  In fact, it is irresponsible NOT to call it out.
Would you be respectful of racist or misogynist statements?

These are difficult times, but as organizers we must protect our
communities.  We do not serve our communities by being polite to
irresponsible disinformation.

Mac Sloan


On 8/23/21 18:36, Seth Seeger via Organizers wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> It's time to bring this conversation back to organizing dances.  There
> are a lot of places on line to discuss covid, and I'd prefer that this
> not become one of them.
>
> Seth
>
>> On Aug 23, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Ron Blechner via Organizers
>> <organizers@lists.sharedweight.net
>> <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey, know what's really shitty?
>>
>> When an autistic person tells you that something harms them - in this
>> case, vaccine skepticism - and then rather than pause, listen, and
>> reconsider, instead you deny what they've said.
>>
>> I'm not going to dignify Weogo or Terri's replies, but I won't be
>> silenced by them.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 5:47 PM Terri Widergren via Organizers
>> <organizers@lists.sharedweight.net
>> <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
>>
>>    PS   I want to add,that I have no issue with vaccines, and have
>>    gotten mine, but I want to honor the perspective of others and
>>    appreciate the opportunity to dialogue about the differences not
>>    argue.
>>
>>    On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 2:39 PM Terri Widergren <twidgal@gmail.com
>>    <mailto:twidgal@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>        Thank you, Weogo, for your thoughtful response and citing your
>>        sources so I can further investigate your perspective.  I
>>        heard no vaccine hate rhetoric, just concern and curiosity
>>        from your point of view and openness to other ideas if folks
>>        want to present them in a way that supports claims and opinion.
>>
>>        This is such a divisive and emotionally charged topic, my
>>        heart has been aching over the division being created on so
>>        many levels in our society.  I  hear your heart of concern and
>>        sincerity and the amount of researching and soul searching you
>>        are doing about Covid, and appreciate it.  There can be so
>>        many hurtful and unproductive reactions to one another when
>>        someone does not align with our perspective.  May we find new
>>        ways of hearing and seeing the humanity in each other.
>>
>>        Yes, good health to all as we trust our wisdom and conscious
>>        to guide us,
>>        Terri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:28 AM Weogo Reed via Organizers
>>        <organizers@lists.sharedweight.net
>>        <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
>>
>>            Hi Folks,
>>
>>                 I'm not on a hill, looking for a fight or intending
>>            to harm, insult
>>            or shame anyone.
>>            The best outcome of this exchange is for all of us to be a
>>            bit more
>>            educated.
>>
>>            CDC / NIH / FDA:
>>                 Historically the CDC and NIH were sources of current,
>>            accurate
>>            health information.
>>            Small and low-income countries often used CDC/NIH
>>            recommendations
>>            verbatim as their health guidelines.
>>             From what I see today, they appear remarkably slow to
>>            acknowledge some
>>            current science.
>>
>>            Vitamin D:
>>                 "Several recent studies have looked at the impact of
>>            vitamin D on
>>            COVID-19. One study of 489 people found that those who had
>>            a vitamin D
>>            deficiency were more likely to test positive for the virus
>>            that causes
>>            COVID-19 than people who had normal levels of vitamin D.
>>                  Other research has observed high rates of vitamin D
>>            deficiency in
>>            people with COVID-19 who experienced acute respiratory
>>            failure. These
>>            people had a significantly higher risk of dying. And a
>>            small, randomized
>>            study found that of 50 people hospitalized with COVID-19
>>            who were given
>>            a high dose of a type of vitamin D (calcifediol), only one
>>            needed
>>            treatment in the intensive care unit. In contrast, among
>>            the 26 people
>>            with COVID-19 who weren't given calcifediol, 13 needed to
>>            be treated in
>>            the intensive care unit."
>>            https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-and-vitamin-d/faq-20493088
>>            <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-and-vitamin-d/faq-20493088>
>>            Note that the current RDA(Recommended Daily Allowance) is
>>            for bone health.
>>            For optimal health, it may be more.
>>
>>             From Liz:
>>            "Sunshine and fresh air will not keep you safe."
>>                 Partially correct.  They can increase your health and
>>            improve your
>>            body's covid response.
>>            Sunshine helps your body produce Vitamin D.
>>                  Time outside for me generally equals exercise  -  in
>>            the garden,
>>            doing construction, walking/hiking and more.
>>            For the past year and a half, my one gig as a sound person
>>            was outside,
>>            providing audio for
>>            the local state university's graduation in May, with
>>            everybody masked
>>            and spaced 6'.
>>
>>            Liz wrote:
>>            "And then there's this:
>>            https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
>>            <https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19>"
>>            f    There's wide evidence the FDA is out of date on their
>>            Ivermectin
>>            information.
>>            I suggest reading this website:
>>            https://covid19criticalcare.com/
>>            <https://covid19criticalcare.com/>
>>
>>            Moderna safety under review:
>>            https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-probing-moderna-vaccine-increased-heart-inflammation-risk-washington-post-2021-08-20/
>>            <https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-probing-moderna-vaccine-increased-heart-inflammation-risk-washington-post-2021-08-20/>
>>
>>            Deaths from Covid 'incredibly rare' among children:
>>            https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w
>>            <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w>
>>
>>                  With an extremely low covid risk for children, and
>>            some risk from
>>            any medicine,
>>            Is vaccinating children for covid the wisest choice?
>>
>>            Liz wrote:
>>            "The nation's hospitals are filled with young, otherwise
>>            healthy, mostly
>>            unvaccinated
>>            people dying of Covid."
>>            Can you please provide data?
>>            I couldn't find hospitalization data for young,
>>            unvaccinated people, but
>>            did find this for deaths, based on age:
>>            https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime
>>            <https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime>
>>            With so few deaths among the young, might it be accurate
>>            to say there
>>            aren't that many in hospitals?
>>
>>            Ron wrote:
>>            "We need everyone vaccinated."
>>
>>            Is natural immunity or vaccine-acquired immunity better?
>>                 Here's one voice:
>>            https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM
>>            <https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM>
>>                 From the BBC today:
>>            https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098
>>            <https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098>
>>            There are many points of view to this question, and it may
>>            boil down to
>>            what's best for an individual.
>>                 I suggest we consider what we really need is for
>>            everybody to be
>>            healthy and
>>            have covid immunity, not necessarily vaccination.
>>
>>                 For Americans, 42% are obese:
>>            https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
>>            <https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html>
>>            Could this be a more significant health issue than covid?
>>            Would you support an effective Public Health campaign for
>>            obesity
>>            education and reduction?
>>                 Someone I love dearly is morbidly obese.
>>            I remember when he was slim and healthy.
>>            He now has multiple health issues that are known to be
>>            caused by
>>            obesity yet says the health issues are causing the obesity.
>>            (May be a bit of both?)
>>            Currently he is taking multiple medications and seeing a
>>            psychiatrist that
>>            isn't helping him be healthier, just more drugged.
>>
>>                 If I got anything wrong here, please correct me and
>>            cite your sources.
>>
>>            Thanks and good health,  Weogo
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