Hey, Committee—
If you’re not on the Shared Weight listserve, you might want to sign up—see email list above—and check out the latest conversational thread. Reduced attendance seems to be trend nationwide.
I don’t have the numbers at hand—Brian? Sophia?—but the stories—with a few exceptions—are remarkably familiar.
As ever—
Don
P.S. Anybody talking to the Housing Trust about St. Joseph’s?
I too worry about the impact of weekends and the 'super dance' experience
impacting local's perceptions of attending 'regular' dances.
Separate from that one point, this is starting to sound like a topic to
raise with CDSS if many of us are noticing a trend.
Thoughts?
I'm wondering if we do some more sharing about best-practices on getting
new people, converting, and keeping the regulars.
Emily
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> There has been a new dance in Portland, Maine that started up earlier this
> year, which to its credit has been highly successful. It is a weekly
> mid-week dance that is not in direct competition with most NH dances, which
> are typically held monthly on weekends. However, I have had more than one
> person tell me that they are so enthused about this new dance (and
> apparently they are able to fulfill their dancing needs by its every-week
> scheduling) that they are no longer keen to get out to the smaller, more
> local dances. I liken this to the effect of a Super Walmart shutting out
> local businesses. Not sure if anything can be done about that.
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> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Buffalo attendance has been down as well, however the last dance was up a
> > bit. Many of our long-time good dancers are not coming. A suggestion
> has
> > been made that the board contact them individually to discuss their MIA
> > status, we have not made a decision as how to approach this as yet.
> >
> > I do know that in some cases there are "opposing" great events on our
> > dance nights and we loose our out-of-towners (those that travel to our
> > dance) to those. There have been some family illnesses, travel etc. that
> > have effected us as well.
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> > One question that has come up among organizers and I wonder if others
> have
> > had similar thoughts...is a particular band or caller keeping folks away?
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Mary Collins, QCCD.org
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> > ?Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass ... it's about learning
> > to dance in the rain!? ~ Unknown
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> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Paul Pindris via Organizers <
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> >> This is astonishing information, as attendance at my dance in Deerfield,
> >> NH is down as much as 50% from its peak last season. The reason or
> reasons
> >> are unclear. If the poor attendance continues it potentially jeopardizes
> >> the long-term viability of this decades-old event.
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> >> Paul Pindris
> >> Deerfield, NH
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> >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Marie-Mich?le Fournier via Organizers <
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> >>> Hi all,
> >>> Both Montreal and Ottawa have seen lower attendance this fall and
> we
> >>> got word that it's similar in Brooklyn. Are any other local dances
> seeing
> >>> this too? Any idea what might be causing this? Since it happens to both
> >>> Canadian and American cities I doubt it's the political climate.
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Hi, All...
Toronto attendance was significantly down during the 15/16 year, and it looks rather the same for 16/17.
I'm wondering if the "good" dancers are preferring to dance at weekend events where the quality of the dancing is considerably better because of the skilled population that attend.
Just putting that thought out there...
I suppose the only way to know for sure is to poll people....
-Elizabeth Szekeres
Talent Coordinator
Toronto Contra Dance
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> Hi all,
> Both Montreal and Ottawa have seen lower attendance this fall and we
> got word that it's similar in Brooklyn. Are any other local dances seeing
> this too? Any idea what might be causing this? Since it happens to both
> Canadian and American cities I doubt it's the political climate.
> Thanks,
> Marie
> ContraMontreal
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Chiming in briefly from Ottawa.
We usually have about 110 paid attendees and our first four dancers were
all in the 80s. A big hit for us. Our last dance was better but 'tis
worrying. Especially if a bigger trend.
We don't think it's related to the talent as we have a diverse lineup that
isn't unlike other years.
And while the political situation is on the mind of many up here, my doubt
is that is having an effect.
We too are thinking of writing a carefully worded email to our community
encouraging them to come out more often + bring friends (+ tips on how to
do that effectively as we already encourage bringing firiends but doing
that is an art). We were thinking of sending the email (if we do) over the
holidays along with some youtube clips of the dances.
We're also starting to push other outreach strategies we haven't used in a
while.
Glad you brought this up Marie-Michele and looking forward to more voices
on this subject as it's such an important one!
Emily
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> Hi all,
> Both Montreal and Ottawa have seen lower attendance this fall and we
> got word that it's similar in Brooklyn. Are any other local dances seeing
> this too? Any idea what might be causing this? Since it happens to both
> Canadian and American cities I doubt it's the political climate.
> Thanks,
> Marie
> ContraMontreal
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I’m forwarding this on behalf of Luke Donforth. Please make sure to copy him on any replies since he is not a member of the list.
All the best,
Chris Weiler
List Moderator
Long version:
When I (Luke Donforth) get an inquiry about calling for a gig that I can't do, I often refer them to the same handful of local callers that I know. But it's not always the most useful if the inquiry came from far away, or the folks I personally know are busy.
I'm now trying to create a caller database; with geographic home-base of caller, how far they'll travel, what they call, and contact information. Also, somewhere where folks submit themselves; a way to hang their shingle, as it were.
I know there are lists of callers out there, such as Charlie's excellent contra dance links, Ted Crane's extensive Dance Database, and the venerable Dance Gypsy. I was thinking it would be useful to have it in database format where it could be sorted and filtered. I'm also focusing on the callers, as opposed to the dances.
I've created a google form that allows people to submit information; with a linked spreadsheet that would allow people to filter based on what they're looking for (both geographically and dance style). My hope is to eventually develop a front end to help filter that information, but for now I'm just sharing it with organizers as a database.
The survey is at:
<https://goo.gl/forms/62beEKCKsyysepGk1> https://goo.gl/forms/62beEKCKsyysepGk1
The results (~50 so far) are at
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZIWfYyFwMHHm6MpyMCD_N8ssQcOD5s6yndu…
I'm primarily a caller and doing this from the caller end, and I'd appreciate feedback from organizers. (I've already reached out to some I personally know in the formulation of this.) I'm making some effort to prevent e-mail addresses from being harvested by spam-bots, and I'm not widely disseminating the database link. The more interest, the more likely I'll put together a public front-end.
If you think it's useful, you can also mention it to callers that you work with and encourage them to list themselves there.
I'm not on the Organizers Shared-Weight; but you can reach me directly at calling.luke(a)gmail.com <mailto:calling.luke@gmail.com>
Happy dancing, and thanks for your feedback
--
Luke Donforth
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Dear Shared Weight Organizers List,
I know the list has been fairly quiet over the last year and while this
isn't a direct question posed to get conversation starts, it's directly
applicable for some of you and many of the rest of you are likely to find
it interesting.
Please note --- the survey below is targeted towards CANADIAN organizers of
trad events!
*IN BRIEF:*
The Country Dance and Song Society (CDSS) **wants to hear from you** as we
look at *how to best support *local organizers* of traditional dance music
and song throughout Canada*. We see local organizers like you as key to
creating the vibrant and thriving traditional dance, music and song scenes
we all care about!
We are running a *survey of local organizers until November 17th*. The goal
of the survey is to learn: What are you organizing? What successes are you
having? What challenges do you face? What immediate needs do you have? What
ideas have you thought of for growing your community/activities? What
supports would help you in the work that you do?
*WHY PARTICIPATE?*
Whether you are involved in PEI fiddling, NFLD traditional song, Metis step
dancing, or other (as there are so many!) each tradition is culturally
significant. They reflect the shared values and heritage of that community
and help to define a sense of identity and belonging for individuals.
Yet despite the diversity, there is much commonality in the organizational
requirements across traditions. For instance, organizers of a Cape Breton
traditional square dance, contra dance in British Columbia, and les danses
folkloique Québécoises often do similar work, share similar challenges and
could benefit from similar supports. By sharing with each other, we create
more vibrant and resilient communities for all.
By participating in the survey, you are not only informing CDSS on what we
can do to support organizers throughout the country, but also other
umbrella arts organizations and the Canada Council for the Arts with whom
we will be sharing the findings. We will work to take action on common
interests that arise from the survey, some in partnership with other
umbrella organizations and many of which would be free or at little cost.
We will also look at ways to address various particular interests where we
can. (As a participant, you will be emailed a copy of the findings.)
*HOW TO PARTICIPATE:*
Complete the online survey by Thursday, November 17th. It will take 15-20
minutes.
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We hope that multiple organizers from the same group will participate.
Also - please share with other local organizers in your area. As you know,
connections within our traditions are often by word-of-mouth!
More information about the survey and larger project is available below.
We look forward to hearing from you,
*Emily Addison (pourparler list member) and also Sarah PilzerThe CDSS
Canadian Initiative*
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*MORE INFORMATION ON THE SURVEY*
*Who is an organizer ... for the purpose of this survey?*
For the purpose of this survey, an organizer is anyone involved in making a
traditional dance, music, or song event, activity, or community happen. The
activities vary widely from house concerts to dances, folk clubs, song
circles, group lessons, jam sessions, festivals, etc. Organizers can be
volunteers OR paid, single individuals OR committees, part of a non-profit
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series - you name it!
*What traditions are included ... for the purpose of this survey?*
CDSS' core focus has been on traditions that have evolved in N America
and/or those with English roots. For example, traditional square dancing
from places like Cape Breton and Quebec fit well having evolved in N
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old-time music jam sessions, step-dancing traditions from all over, folk
clubs that present traditional music concerts, etc. AND - we are still very
much interested in hearing and supporting the wider trad scene. Thus, if
organizers involved in trad activities such as Irish set dancing,
scandinavian jam sessions, or international folk want to participate,
please do!
*Who is CDSS?*
CDSS has been a leader and partner of traditional dance, music, and song
across North America for over a century. We provide services to members as
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If you're interested in knowing more, visit cdss.org
With the current temps in the US at an alarming high, our dance hall has been running hot, with their one A/C unit cooling to 75-78 degrees while dancing. We keep it pretty windy, with lots of fans (quietest ones in the hall are small Lasko units and louder ones in the back).
That being said, at what point do you cancel the dance because of heat? Dancers are already complaining and all we can do is keep it windy. Of course, we could cut our losses if minimum capacity of dancers are not coming because of the heat. In the past & at another hall, we used to cancel all of August because of heat, but I don't know how you can make that call because you really don't know how it will feel (or how many dancers will attend) until you get there.
Deanna Palumbo
Chattahoochee Country Dancers, Atlanta, GA
We are starting to collect pictures and copy for performers coming to play
for our dances. I imagine that someday soon, we may start collecting
videos. These assets come to us in a variety of forms - docs, pictures,
links to web sites, text pasted into an email. Is there anyone who has any
experience handling such materials who can advise a good way to organize
them?
We have a club Google Apps subscription, so Drive would appear attractive
initially. However, we've had trouble figuring out how to organize
materials in Drive in a way that shares the organization. In addition, we
need a way to find the materials that have been stored.
Thanks!
Rich
Hi Marie-Michèle.
(And apologies to the group, I don't know how to make individual contact and this note seemed easiest.)
A friend of mine was a student at McGill about 5? maybe 7? years ago and did contradance there.
I loaned him several books to help get things started.
Contact me offline at bobfab(a)aol.com and I can connect you with him.
He may have some insights, and offered to speak with you.
Bob
bobfab(a)aol.com
Hello everyone!
I have recruited some of our younger dancers to start a contra club at
their university to help us bring in more people to our dances in an effort
to be sustainable. However, none of us are quite certain what's the best
way to proceed with this and what exactly to do with this club. Any of you
out there have associated university or college clubs? Could you put me in
contact with the people in charge so we can use their ideas and experience
with this?
Thanks!
Marie
ContraMontreal