One more thing: In printing this poster through a professional print
establishment, they told me its actual size was 11x15.5. It would be
recommended to print the poster as this size, rather than squish it or
stretch it to fit other sizes of paper. I am planning on printing 5 and
laminating them, for use at all my dances. Whether they go on the wall, or
are passed around by hand (which I would do for outdoor events), laminating
them will preserve their quality, and can allow you to print on lighter
paper. It's worth the money.
Greg
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> Yes... there's a lot of print for the poster.
>
> Likely the font is different as we changed the original font to this one.
> We're planning on having the poster on the wall as well as available as an
> 8X11.
> It's a lot to look at but on the other hand, we have those new introverts
> just wanting something to focus on during the break and this would be a
> good distraction. ;)
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> > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 02:33:46 -0400
> > From: Lisa Marie Lunt <lisalunt(a)gmail.com>
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> > I saw this poster up at the Tophill Dance in Greenfield on Saturday. I'm
> > not sure how large it was, but it seemed about 18X24". The information is
> > great, but it's difficult to read and a little too busy for dancers who
> are
> > just entering the dance. Maybe they will read it a little at at time over
> > time. I would have to be blown up about twice as large to be easily
> > readable.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:41 PM, William M Loving via Organizers <
> > organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> >
> > > With regard to Greg?s comments, I second all of them but particularly
> the
> > > full justified text which from graphic design standpoint is not a great
> > > choice and makes the text notably more difficult to read. (This has
> been
> > a
> > > problem from the original design of the poster some years ago).
> > >
> > > I would strongly suggest using left-justified text in most places for
> > even
> > > spacing between words and rely on the backgrounds shading and graphics
> to
> > > define the shape of your columns.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Greg Allan via Organizers
> > <organizers@lists.
> > > sharedweight.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Great Share!
> > >
> > > Thanks so much. There is a contra coming up that I'm organizing for a
> > very
> > > safety/oppression sensitive group. I will print this and make it
> > available
> > > for that event. Perfect Timing!
> > >
> > > Looking it over, there are some typos and some other constructive
> > > criticisms:
> > >
> > > - orange citation text at the top left: Linky instead of Lindy.
> > > - Justified text looks awkward all over the poster, like the word
> > > "personal" in the leftmost column, second paragraph, followed by an
> > awkward
> > > looking "bow out"; rightmost column first paragraph. Though I
> > > realize some of these may have been on purpose, like the words "space"
> > and
> > > apologize" in the next-to-rightmost column, third paragraph.
> > > - Perhaps a few more images of contra-esque dancers, rather than
> singular
> > > individuals? I'd like to see that.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
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> > >> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 10:20:29 -0500
> > >> From: Emily Addison via Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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> > >> To: Shared Weight Organizers <organizers(a)sharedweight.net>
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> > >> Hi All,
> > >>
> > >> We just finished developing our own version of a contra etiquette
> poster
> > >> here in Ottawa so I wanted to share!
> > >>
> > >> We got permission to edit the original lindy hop poster as so did lots
> > of
> > >> thinking about what different messaging and wording we wanted. I
> think
> > I
> > >> remember even asking this list for ideas.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, we sent the poster out via email/facebook to our community
> last
> > >> week and response so far is good! We will be posting it in our hall
> > (along
> > >> with our code of conduct) and have copies for folks to take home.
> > >> Hopefully
> > >> a fun, informative and proactive way to share ideas for positive
> > >> interaction.
> > >> :)
> > >> see attached.
> > >>
> > >> Curious as to what you all think!
> > >>
> > >> Emily in Ottawa
> > >> [image: Inline image 1]
> > >>
Lots of good feedback including the spelling error!
The images were really hard for us to alter so I doubt we'll do more there.
But will play with the text and see what happens.
Thanks!
:) Emily
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> With regard to Greg?s comments, I second all of them but particularly the
> full justified text which from graphic design standpoint is not a great
> choice and makes the text notably more difficult to read. (This has been a
> problem from the original design of the poster some years ago).
>
> I would strongly suggest using left-justified text in most places for even
> spacing between words and rely on the backgrounds shading and graphics to
> define the shape of your columns.
>
>
> > On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Greg Allan via Organizers <
> organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:organizers@lists.
> sharedweight.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Great Share!
> >
> > Thanks so much. There is a contra coming up that I'm organizing for a
> very safety/oppression sensitive group. I will print this and make it
> available for that event. Perfect Timing!
> >
> > Looking it over, there are some typos and some other constructive
> criticisms:
> >
> > - orange citation text at the top left: Linky instead of Lindy.
> > - Justified text looks awkward all over the poster, like the word
> "personal" in the leftmost column, second paragraph, followed by an awkward
> looking "bow out"; rightmost column first paragraph. Though I
> realize some of these may have been on purpose, like the words "space" and
> apologize" in the next-to-rightmost column, third paragraph.
> > - Perhaps a few more images of contra-esque dancers, rather than
> singular individuals? I'd like to see that.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Greg
> >
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> > Hi All,
> >
> > We just finished developing our own version of a contra etiquette poster
> > here in Ottawa so I wanted to share!
> >
> > We got permission to edit the original lindy hop poster as so did lots of
> > thinking about what different messaging and wording we wanted. I think I
> > remember even asking this list for ideas.
> >
> > Anyway, we sent the poster out via email/facebook to our community last
> > week and response so far is good! We will be posting it in our hall
> (along
> > with our code of conduct) and have copies for folks to take home.
> Hopefully
> > a fun, informative and proactive way to share ideas for positive
> > interaction.
> > :)
> > see attached.
> >
> > Curious as to what you all think!
> >
> > Emily in Ottawa
> > [image: Inline image 1]
> >
Yes... there's a lot of print for the poster.
Likely the font is different as we changed the original font to this one.
We're planning on having the poster on the wall as well as available as an
8X11.
It's a lot to look at but on the other hand, we have those new introverts
just wanting something to focus on during the break and this would be a
good distraction. ;)
Emily
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> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 02:33:46 -0400
> From: Lisa Marie Lunt <lisalunt(a)gmail.com>
> To: organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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> I saw this poster up at the Tophill Dance in Greenfield on Saturday. I'm
> not sure how large it was, but it seemed about 18X24". The information is
> great, but it's difficult to read and a little too busy for dancers who are
> just entering the dance. Maybe they will read it a little at at time over
> time. I would have to be blown up about twice as large to be easily
> readable.
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:41 PM, William M Loving via Organizers <
> organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> > With regard to Greg?s comments, I second all of them but particularly the
> > full justified text which from graphic design standpoint is not a great
> > choice and makes the text notably more difficult to read. (This has been
> a
> > problem from the original design of the poster some years ago).
> >
> > I would strongly suggest using left-justified text in most places for
> even
> > spacing between words and rely on the backgrounds shading and graphics to
> > define the shape of your columns.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Greg Allan via Organizers
> <organizers@lists.
> > sharedweight.net> wrote:
> >
> > Great Share!
> >
> > Thanks so much. There is a contra coming up that I'm organizing for a
> very
> > safety/oppression sensitive group. I will print this and make it
> available
> > for that event. Perfect Timing!
> >
> > Looking it over, there are some typos and some other constructive
> > criticisms:
> >
> > - orange citation text at the top left: Linky instead of Lindy.
> > - Justified text looks awkward all over the poster, like the word
> > "personal" in the leftmost column, second paragraph, followed by an
> awkward
> > looking "bow out"; rightmost column first paragraph. Though I
> > realize some of these may have been on purpose, like the words "space"
> and
> > apologize" in the next-to-rightmost column, third paragraph.
> > - Perhaps a few more images of contra-esque dancers, rather than singular
> > individuals? I'd like to see that.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 11:53 AM, via Organizers <organizers@lists.
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> >> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 10:20:29 -0500
> >> From: Emily Addison via Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> >> To: Shared Weight Organizers <organizers(a)sharedweight.net>
> >> Subject: [Organizers] Contra etiquette poster
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <CAD7WKUU9ZYP_rByvpQaZKSE1UBYCR8WESFQieG3HFMBz7iFt5A@mail.
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> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> We just finished developing our own version of a contra etiquette poster
> >> here in Ottawa so I wanted to share!
> >>
> >> We got permission to edit the original lindy hop poster as so did lots
> of
> >> thinking about what different messaging and wording we wanted. I think
> I
> >> remember even asking this list for ideas.
> >>
> >> Anyway, we sent the poster out via email/facebook to our community last
> >> week and response so far is good! We will be posting it in our hall
> (along
> >> with our code of conduct) and have copies for folks to take home.
> >> Hopefully
> >> a fun, informative and proactive way to share ideas for positive
> >> interaction.
> >> :)
> >> see attached.
> >>
> >> Curious as to what you all think!
> >>
> >> Emily in Ottawa
> >> [image: Inline image 1]
> >>
Great Share!
Thanks so much. There is a contra coming up that I'm organizing for a very
safety/oppression sensitive group. I will print this and make it available
for that event. Perfect Timing!
Looking it over, there are some typos and some other constructive
criticisms:
- orange citation text at the top left: Linky instead of Lindy.
- Justified text looks awkward all over the poster, like the word
"personal" in the leftmost column, second paragraph, followed by an awkward
looking "bow out"; rightmost column first paragraph. Though I
realize some of these may have been on purpose, like the words "space" and
apologize" in the next-to-rightmost column, third paragraph.
- Perhaps a few more images of contra-esque dancers, rather than singular
individuals? I'd like to see that.
Thanks again,
Greg
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> From: Emily Addison via Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> To: Shared Weight Organizers <organizers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: [Organizers] Contra etiquette poster
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>
> Hi All,
>
> We just finished developing our own version of a contra etiquette poster
> here in Ottawa so I wanted to share!
>
> We got permission to edit the original lindy hop poster as so did lots of
> thinking about what different messaging and wording we wanted. I think I
> remember even asking this list for ideas.
>
> Anyway, we sent the poster out via email/facebook to our community last
> week and response so far is good! We will be posting it in our hall (along
> with our code of conduct) and have copies for folks to take home. Hopefully
> a fun, informative and proactive way to share ideas for positive
> interaction.
> :)
> see attached.
>
> Curious as to what you all think!
>
> Emily in Ottawa
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
Hi Organizers!
We just had a FABULOUS Balance the Bay weekend in San Francisco last weekend. We are so pleased to get many comments saying how welcoming and friendly the dance felt to new or out of area dancers.
I’d love to hear what you are doing to make your local dances or weekends more welcoming?
Here’s some of what we did:
1. We did not gender balance (and it turned out fine, though the Bay Area has a large number of dancers who can dance both roles)
2. We offered stickers to put on name buttons at checkin to anyone who wanted to self-identify that they were new to this dance weekend. Then we had a sign on the wall indicating to everyone that we should especially welcome those with the stickers & consider asking them to dance. We also asked the caller to remind dancers to dance with folks they don’t know.
3. We provide a buffet dinner on Sat eve, so folks have more opportunity to socialize together.
4. Many in the community are supporting inclusive dancing by NOT booking ahead. Many dancers said that it was a relief not to have to scramble for a parter right after each dance. They could get some water, come back and always find dancers available.
5. We offered child care with a family sharing their care giver with other families who signed up. We had a donation box for anyone in the community to support having child care at the dance. We also organically had a couple family dances during the breaks with dancer musicians and even a 5 year old new caller, who called his own choreography!
6. We printed some of the BIDA (Boston Intergenerational Dance Advocates) safety signs and put them around the dance hall.
https://www.jefftk.com/p/bida-signs <https://www.jefftk.com/p/bida-signs>
7. We had a “dancer connection” large wall paper that allowed dancers to connect, offer meals together, etc. We also had a ride share board for offers or needs.
8. We had our most welcoming volunteers at the front table on Friday evening. Greeting dancers by name and handing them their name buttons when possible.
I’m sure there’s more, but that’s what comes to mind. I’d love to hear what you do at your dances?
Claire Takemori
Dance Caller
South Bay Contra Organizer
The insurance from NFO seems to good to be true - only 10% the cost of
other options. Is there a catch somewhere?? Would anyone be willing to
share a copy of their insurance certificate that shows in detail exactly
what is covered?
John Bloom jnjbloom(a)gmail.com
I'd sent this earlier but didn't see it in the archive - realize now I
didn't copy the list.
-Don
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From: Don Veino <redacted>
Date: Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Organizers] Liability insurance
To: John W Gintell <redacted>
Included in NFO membership at very reasonable rate. http://www.nfo-usa.org/
insurance.htm
On Aug 14, 2017 12:38 PM, "John W Gintell via Organizers" <organizers@lists.
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> I am wondering whether most dance series have liability insurance -
> particularly small ones.
>
> Insurance for a dance series from CDSS costs $450, $550, … depending on
> the number of dances plus $85 membership fee every year. I suspect other
> sources would be more expensive. For a small dance with few financial
> reserves, the extra fees each year could easily drive it to extinction.
>
> I know that sone venues require that the group has insurance, but not all
> do.
>
> What is the risk of not having it? Any recent incidents in the past few
> years?
>
> I’d think possible suits could be from dancers or musicians/callers who
> got injured or thought they were treated badly, venues where there was
> damage to the site.
>
> What about ASCAP copy infringement suits? Have there been any of these?
>
> Anything else?
>
> John
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Our dance in Gainesville, FL had CDSS insurance - but I'm honestly not sure
how much it helps if it were to come to someone trying to make a claim to
cover an injury. Best I can tell, the CDSS insurance only kicks in *after*
the organization or individuals have been sued & found liable (or otherwise
found liable). From what I can tell about that process, the attorney's fees
alone would be enough to put a massive hurt on any dance organization (and
most individuals, if they were sued in their capacity as 'dance
organizers'). The specific language from the CDSS website is, "This is a
general commercial liability policy. It is not accident insurance.
Liability insurance is for when you are sued, and negligence of some sort
on the part of the group has to be proven."
After thinking about that a bit, I did some research on other dance
organizations and their offers of insurance coverage - and it turns out
that some of them (specifically some square dance organizations) actually
*do* offer actual accident insurance. Like, if an accident happens and
someone gets injured, then they can get the cost of their injuries covered
(up to a certain amount, and secondary to regular health insurance). If I
recall correctly, one of the organizations had the insurance set up such
that they'd need specific member rolls for the individual square dance
clubs, to keep track of whose dues had been paid and therefore who was
covered under the accident insurance. That wouldn't work too well for
Contra obviously, since we tend to get lots of random new people - and we'd
want them to be covered without having to make them sign up for membership.
Anyway, I researched more, and it turns out that there's at least one
insurance company (Francis L. Dean, fdean.com ) that offers no-fault
accident insurance for dances, as well as combined participant liability.
And you can get the accident insurance without the liability insurance -
and it's reasonably cheap. I think it'd be great for CDSS to adopt this
type of insurance product for the member organizations - because honestly,
it seems a lot better than the current insurance that CDSS offers. But
maybe there are other elements to the insurance situation that I'm not
aware of.
Richard Mathews
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> We had a problem where a dancer fell and broke her arm.? Her health
> insurance covered her treatment.? They called her and demanded to know who
> we were and who owned the venue.? She said OK - but if anyone asks I will
> tell them I was a klutz and fell - it was my own fault.? AT that point the
> insurance co dropped it.
> I was told is it common for insurance companies to try to recover their
> costs via law suits.
> If you have any assets at all they need to be protected.? In our state,
> officers of not-for-profit cannot be sued for liability issues - and we are
> all volunteers.? Make sure your organizers are not vulnerable
> Mac McKeever
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> Our smallish dance has had liability insurance for the past several
> years because the venue required it. We also had to have their name
> added to the contract which cost another $30 on top of the other fees
> you have already mentioned. I have been at a couple dances where
> accidents have happened, and someone could have sued, but fortunately
> didn't. I've felt better knowing we have the insurance, but we really
> can't afford it and our bands and callers have suffered because we had
> less money to pay them. (We try to hold back a little each month to help
> cover those costs as well as the cost of the hall.) I don't know what
> the solution is - sorry!
>
> Mary Anne
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> On 8/14/2017 12:38 PM, John W Gintell via Organizers wrote:
> > I am wondering whether most dance series have liability insurance -
> particularly? small ones.
> >
> > Insurance for a dance series from CDSS costs $450, $550, ? depending on
> the number of dances plus $85 membership fee every year. I suspect other
> sources would be more expensive. For a small dance with few financial
> reserves, the extra fees each year could easily drive it to extinction.
> >
> > I know that sone venues require that the group has insurance, but not
> all do.
> >
> > What is the risk of not having it? Any recent incidents in the past few
> years?
> >
> > I?d think possible suits could be from dancers or musicians/callers who
> got injured or thought they were treated badly, venues where there was
> damage to the site.
> >
> > What about ASCAP copy infringement suits? Have there been any of these?
> >
> > Anything else?
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> > ??? John
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I'll be glad to comp in any weekend dance organizer reading this list
with a plus-one to our upcoming dance Aug. 11-13.
We call it "Fly the Coop" since Gainesville, Georgia, was the poultry
capital of the world for a couple of decades.
If you want to take me up on this offer:
let me know via email and let me know the name and email of your
plus-one
you're on your own w/ food and housing (we have 16 talent+1s at our
small home ... yikes)
(and, if you've already registered w/ $, I'll refund your payment -- let
me know if ...)
Why you may want to come from some far away land to our corner of the
universe ...
-> for good music and dancing
-> to scope out exciting combinations of top contra musicians
Our music is provided by "On the Fly" which is an ad hoc collection of
top national musicians
with every dance set a different combination of musicians (!):
Ed Howe (Perpetual e-Motion, Barefoot, JEMS, ...)
Rob Zisette (Toss the Possum, Playing with Fyre, Rob Z and the
Trustees, ...)
Cailen Cambell (Joyful Noise, Cailen Campbell and the Gypsy Hicks, ...)
George Paul (Avant Gardeners, Playing w/ Fyre, Joyful Noise, Potent
Brew, ...)
Tristan Henderson (Pete's Posse, Atlantic Crossing, ...)
Jamie Oshima (Barefoot, JEMS, Oshima Brothers, ...)
Sean Oshima (Oshima Brothers)
Callers are Emily Abel and Emily Rush.
Emily Rush will also call a "Rushfest" Sat. afternoon.
It is an experiment.
But what an experiment!
http://atgaga.com/flythecoop
Heitzso
musicians:
Ed Howe w/ Jamie (Barefoot): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6453yammGE
Rob Zisette (Rob Z ...): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbSWI1PnfaE
George Paul w/ Rob and ...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYWdrZ6KdBc
Jamie Oshima (solo, playing 6 instruments, layered audio/video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hYgk5wwBGA
Jamie shredding (single take, just him and a guitar):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUZohDrd3jc
Tristan Henderson (w/ Pete's Posse at Glen Echo):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-enCvxHfZ0
Cailen Campbell w/ George Paul (Joyful Noise):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EpRwwoqsXs
Oshima Brothers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne-7_2_pL1U&list=PLz0f8bn2s5q0CmfkZ5PzpRPtJ…
callers:
Emily Rush: Rushfest: http://www.rushfestcontra.com/
Emily Abel calling for Maivish and George Marshall:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGmJ0-v8tx4
I've been booking performers for dances for many years and just recently encountered, for the first time, an expectation that the caller (booked separately) be paid the same amount as each band member. Is this a new thing? What's the practice in YOUR community?
Thanks,
Katy Heine
