25 Apr
2017
25 Apr
'17
2:10 p.m.
Hi fellow dance musicians :)
I feel so guilty for not responding back in late February as I asked the
question about how to share rhythm grooves among band members. I was
swamped with work and our toddler and am finally catching up on all things
volunteer including band stuff. Apologies!
Anyway, I really appreciated Erik, Yaron, Meg and Sarah's comments. I'm
just getting back onto how to work with our community band on this so I'll
start with Sarah's idea on a few folks beginning with the groove and
building from there. We've tried that in the past and I think what we
really need to do is work on the listening part!!!!
:) Thank you!
Emily
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1. Re: Learning/sharing/remembering rhythms
(Yaron Shragai via Musicians)
2. Re: Learning/sharing/remembering rhythms
(Erik Hoffman via Musicians)
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Subject: Re: [Musicians] Learning/sharing/remembering rhythms
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The 123-123-12 rhythm appears in Middle Eastern, Balkan, and African music;
I would more than suspect that its occurrence in contra dance music has
come mainly via the African route, both via the slave influence in
Appalachian music and via the hippy/funky influence in modern contra.
The klezmer/Romanian 123-123-12 has a different inflection to it - a
different articulation - the late great Balkan dance/int'l folk dance
teacher Dick Crum called it a "Get your Papers Here" rhythm - more of a
2;1,2;1,2 articulation than a 3;3;2 articulation.
...Unless the rhythm you're thinking of is the rock-n-roll
boom-chuckboom-boomchuck - in which case we're back to the African
influence...
- Yaron
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:31 AM, Erik Hoffman via Musicians <
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Hi Max & All,
Interesting that you learned the 3-3-2 rhythm as Klezmer.
- Klezmer rhythm (123-123-12)
So many of the people I've studied from say the 3-3-2 came from Africa.
It
has invaded many other genres. When I first
learned about it (other than
the clave), it came at me three times in one year:
* A bunch of fiddle bowings used in Old-Time Appalachian tunes (highly
slave influenced)
* A doumbek rhythm (an Arabic drum)
* In hamboning--body rhythm with African roots, from when slaves had
their drums taken away.
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Erik Hoffman
Oakland, CA
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