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Re: [Callers] Rory slides and Box circulates

by Ron Blechner via Callers

And tried. Like it better like that. Playground Stomp Duple Improper Contra Ron T Blechner Start: Long waves with Gents facing out, Ladies facing In, N in RH A1. Bal, Slide R past N (4, 4) Bal, Slide L past N (4, 4) A2. Bal, Box Circulate (4, 4) Bal, Gents Alle L 1x (4, 4) B1. P Gypsy + Swing (16) B2. Ladies Chain (8) Star L 1x (8) (to long wavy lines) On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote: > For Playground Stomp, next time I'll try the B2 as: > Ladies Chain (8) (to N) > Star L to long waves (8) > > It's slightly harder, but reduces balances from 5 to 4, and reduces the > raised arms in the dance, which may mean less fatigue. > > Ron > > On Apr 30, 2015 8:06 PM, "Ron Blechner" <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thought I'd share the fruits of my thinking. >> >> Wrote a few dances. Have 2 keepers: >> >> Astral Navigation >> Becket Contra >> Ron T Blechner >> Called 4/15/15 Baltimore >> >> A1. Circle L 3/4 (6) >> NS (10) >> A2. Star L 1x (8) to Long Waves * >> Bal Wave, Box Circulate ** (4, 4) >> B1. Bal R, Slide R past P (4, 4) *** >> Bal L, Slide L past P (4, 4) >> B2. P B+S (4, 12) >> >> * Gents face out, Ladies face in, Prev N in LH, New N in RH >> ** Ladies Cross, Gents Loop R. This is the progression! >> *** As in Rory O'Moore >> >> One of several dances I wrote mixing Rory O'Moore spins and box >> circulates. This one has a strong partner focus, but still manages a >> neighbor swing. The title refers both to using the star to enter the >> long ocean waves, as well as one's partner being a guiding star to >> keep in the right place. >> >> >> Playground Stomp >> Duple Improper Contra >> Ron T Blechner >> Called 4/1/15 Amherst, refined, called 4/16/15 Mt. Airy, Philadelphia >> Thursday dance >> >> Start: Long waves with Gents facing out, Ladies facing In, N in RH >> >> A1. Bal, Slide R past N (4, 4) * >> Bal, Slide L past N (4, 4) >> A2. Bal, Box Circulate (4, 4) ** >> Bal, Gents Alle L 1x (4, 4) *** >> B1. P Gypsy + Swing (16) >> B2. Ladies Alle R 1.5x (8) to wave of 4 **** >> Bal Wave, N Alle L 3/4 (4, 4) to long waves. ***** >> >> * as in Rory O'Moore >> ** Ladies cross, gents loop R >> *** Ladies loop R as if it's a box circulate. This flows nicely into the >> gypsy. >> **** N in LH >> ***** New N in RH >> >> Difficulty: Intermediate - the individual moves aren't bad, but >> there's a lot going on. This is a very stompy dance, hence the title. >> "Playground" refers to slides and boxes one might play on/in. >> >> I'm going to play with this more... Maybe turn the gents allemande to >> a gypsy left. >> >> This dance I wrote to mix up 2 Rory spins and 2 Box Circulates. The >> gents allemande was an innovation born out of necessity. There's no >> neighbor swing, but you get a lot of interaction with them. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Perry Shafran via Callers >> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> > This is a category where there is a lot of dances, those that have both >> > Petronella and Rory O'More figures. I know of Bob Isaacs "Flaherty Will >> > Get >> > you Everywhere", plus my own "Cheat Lake Twirl", and there are a few >> > others >> > that I know of but forget the authors/names of dances. >> > >> > Perry >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Dugan Murphy via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> >> > To: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 3:22 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Rory slides and Box circulates >> > >> > Hi Ron, >> > >> > I don't know of any dances with a Rory O'More figure and a box circulate >> > in >> > the same dance, but if you're looking for a Petronella figure and a Rory >> > O'More figure in the same dance, check "Wave-Particle Duality" by Ryan >> > Smith: >> > http://www.twirlyshirts.com/dances/by-ryan/wave-particle-duality/. >> > >> > Dugan Murphy >> > dugan(a)duganmurphy.com >> > >> > >> > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:44:18 -0400 >> > From: Ron Blechner via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> >> > To: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> > Subject: [Callers] Rory slides and Box circulates >> > Message-ID: >> > >> > <CALf+g+5B02YzKizDh1E-YMoJx-n1V9sgjsR4rqxDjuwOy3JecA(a)mail.gmail.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> > >> > Long wave Rory O'Moore balance and slides/spins and box circulates ... >> > in >> > the same dance, adjacent to one another? >> > >> > I've not yet seen or danced any. Anyone have? >> > >> > I have a few dances; trying one or two this week. >> > >> > In dance, >> > Ron Blechner >> >

9 years, 7 months

Re: [Callers] Itty-bitty dances, triplets, odd numbers

by Michael Fuerst via Callers

Rather than "Head couples pass through, separate and go around one to form lines at the sides," the following might be helpful "Head couples pass through, separate and go around one to the position of lines at the sides, with partners facing each other across." Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844 On Friday, May 8, 2015 3:03 PM, Jack Mitchell <jmitchell.nc(a)gmail.com> wrote: Could you clarify the B2 of this dance? You say that you form lines at the sides and swing. But the lines don't go forward and back at any point. Is your partner in the opposite line from you or in the same line? Sent from Outlook _____________________________ From: Michael Fuerst via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Callers] Itty-bitty dances, triplets, odd numbers To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> A four couple contra I call sometimes is "Vet's Revenge" by Colin Hume Duple Improper A1 Neighbor couples (1's with 2's, 3's with 4's) star left Middle couples (2's with 3's) star right A2 Neighbor couples allemande left 1 1/2 Women chain to partner B1 All four couples promenade in a circle a bit more than 1/2 around to form a square (until the original couple 1 is in position 3 of a square, i.e., facing the music) This must be done somewhat quickly Side couple women chain across B2 Head couples pass through, separate and go around one to form lines at the sides All swing partner, finish with the two couples now in the middle facing the nearest end, and the two couples at the end facing the middle Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844 On Sunday, May 3, 2015 2:54 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I just called a tiny dance last night, and went through several of my triplets along with a big pile of English 3-couple dances that we did to old-time tunes (that was a little weird for me but the dancers enjoyed them, so what the heck). I was grateful to have the few triplets I had, and I'd like to expand my collection. The ones I used were Microchasmic, David's Triplet #7 and Ted's Triplet #24, which all have distinctive bits in them (contra corners, round two/drop through, and a cast to invert then 1s lead up, respectively). I like triplets that have some choreographic substance to them, something for the dancers to chew on. Do you have favorites you enjoy dancing as well as calling? I get the impression sometimes that triplets are "that thing you do to fill time until the real dancing starts," but 3-couple sets can be a whole lot of fun. And sometimes they can save your butt as a caller. We had lots of odd numbers last night, so in addition to the triplets and 3-couple English dances I used dances like Domino 5 (5 dancers) and Pride of Dingle (for 9). For a short while we had 4 couples and did contras but most of the evening was "other." Got any good dances for odd numbers? Kalia _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

9 years, 7 months

[Callers] Itty-bitty dances, triplets, odd numbers

by Kalia Kliban via Callers

I just called a tiny dance last night, and went through several of my triplets along with a big pile of English 3-couple dances that we did to old-time tunes (that was a little weird for me but the dancers enjoyed them, so what the heck). I was grateful to have the few triplets I had, and I'd like to expand my collection. The ones I used were Microchasmic, David's Triplet #7 and Ted's Triplet #24, which all have distinctive bits in them (contra corners, round two/drop through, and a cast to invert then 1s lead up, respectively). I like triplets that have some choreographic substance to them, something for the dancers to chew on. Do you have favorites you enjoy dancing as well as calling? I get the impression sometimes that triplets are "that thing you do to fill time until the real dancing starts," but 3-couple sets can be a whole lot of fun. And sometimes they can save your butt as a caller. We had lots of odd numbers last night, so in addition to the triplets and 3-couple English dances I used dances like Domino 5 (5 dancers) and Pride of Dingle (for 9). For a short while we had 4 couples and did contras but most of the evening was "other." Got any good dances for odd numbers? Kalia

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Re: [Callers] Itty-bitty dances, triplets, odd numbers

by jill allen via Callers

Chris, Thank you so much for the correct author and title. Jill On May 8, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Chris Page wrote: > Beneficial Triplet by Al Olson. A very nice one. > > -Chris Page > San Diego > > > > A1 all pass ptr by RH > all who can, pass person on L diag by LH > all pass person straight across by RH > L diag by LH > A2 across by RH > L diag by LH > bal ptr, box the gnat > B1 B & S ptr ending proper > B2 bottom cpl lead up the middle, turn alone and lead back down the middle > cast with 2nd (now at bottom) cpl to end in 2nd place* > > *end: 33 > 11 > 22 >

9 years, 7 months

[Callers] Identify dance

by Amy Wimmer via Callers

Hive mind, I've been calling this dance but don't know its name or author. Do you? The link is to the YouTube video where I found it. Improper contra A1 Ring of 4 balance, gents roll away Ladies chain A2 Ladies gypsy once Partner swing B1 Circle left 3/4 Balance, Petronella B2 Balance, Petronella Balance, California twirl https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MiY4bThBhnE -Amy

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[Callers] Contra Dance Birthday Round

by William Loving via Callers

Dear Contra friends, With the help of a number of contributors I believe I finally have a good accounting of the origins of the now rapidly spreading “Contra Dance Birthday Round”. You can read all I’ve put together here on the Downtown Amherst Contra Dance website, with more details, links to recordings and sheet music: http://www.amherstcontra.org/Amherst_Contradance/Birthday_Song.html We’ve known for a long time that the song was composed in the 1950s or early 60s by Dorothy Dushkin, co-founder of the Kinhaven Music School & Camp in Weston, Vermont, but the origins of the tune have remained a mystery until recently. Some years ago, long-time contra dance caller Ralph Sweet came across an out-of-print Girl Scout songbook at a flea market, and in it he recognized a song that had the same melody as the birthday round. He bought the book, took it home and then, misplaced it for a time. In today’s mail, I received from Ralph a photocopy from that book with the song “Whene’er You Make a Promise”, written in 1828 by English composer William Shield, who also composed the tune to “Auld Lang Syne” (to lyrics from Robert Burns). The original lyrics are lovely and may also be familiar to anyone who was in the Girl Scouts or Girl Guides, this apparently having been sung as a campfire song for generations. When e're you make a promise, Consider well its importance And...when...made, Engrave it upon your heart. Enjoy! Will Loving Northampton, Massachusetts USA

9 years, 7 months

Re: [Callers] Chinese Fan from Square dance

by Neal Schlein via Callers

> --snip-- > > Just thinking about the elbow hold as a mini star will confuse some > dancers. It certainly confused me. Having this duo hang out (or > migrate rotationally) while the center star rotates all the way around > sounds to me like a disaster. I'd have difficulty doing it. I can keep > oriented while swinging, and I have good timing. I'm not sure what > you'd gain by doing the long girl's spin. Just to clarify--calling them mini-stars isn't how I'd ever teach it, nor how I think of the figure. Jeff was asking about breaking it down into established contra figures and how it differed from a simple backtrack; I wanted to make sure that the triple-star aspect came across. The dance is just so simple to actually do and teach in real time! I also agree that the 1 and 1/2 trick is not something with wide utility. That was more an example of how the figure can be adjusted on the fly, or for performance effect. Our caller once used it during a show to help us reset after something went wrong; as I recall, two of the ladies were swapped, so they slowed down to one time around while the other pair did the full once and a half. Other than that, though, you're right: there is very little call to use it (pun intended). Half-sashayed, reverse stars, and mixed gender Fans are an easier way to keep it interesting. And Chris is right, too--the fuzziness of the start and ending points on this kind of figure is what makes them poorly suited to contras in general, although it CAN be done crisply and in exact positions. Maybe it would help if the promenade or swing or other recovery figure ends in each couple's starting position, not the progressed one. Which pretty much restricts the Fan to happening in the A part of the music, or very top of the B. Neal

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Re: [Callers] Itty-bitty dances, triplets, odd numbers

by Kalia Kliban via Callers

On 5/4/2015 3:00 PM, Chris Page wrote: > Some of my favourite triplets: > > Ted's Triplet #3 > Star Chase (Al Olson, one of the variants with a swing) > Ted's Triplet #2 > Microchasmic Triplet (Ann Fallon) > Triplet to Eugene (Mary Devlin) > Housewarming (Jacob Bloom) > Proofreader's Triplet (Al Olson) > Beneficial Triplet (Al Olson) > TLC Triplet (Me) > Right and Left Triplet (Me) > Cinnamon Cruller (Bob Issacs) > David's Triplet #4 (David Smukler) > > Cheers, > -Chris Hooray! Sounds like I'll be ready for my next triplet-intensive evening, and then some. Thanks, Chris! Kalia

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Re: [Callers] Chinese Fan from Square dance

by Chris Page via Callers

Another thing to consider is progressing on to the next. Chinese Fan is fuzzy about where moves end, as the star turns. So you need to have dancers promenade "to progressed places", rather than just circling halfway or some such. I've found dancers have great trouble with this, at least partly because 4-face-4 is an uncommon formation, so they can't just progress by autopilot. Some of my biggest and most memorable crashes when testing dances have resulted from this problem. -Chris Page San Diego

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Re: [Callers] Chinese Fan from Square dance

by Jeff Kaufman via Callers

Thanks for the explanation! I don't think step #2 would be easy to call in a 4x4, because you don't really have heads or sides. One solution would be to say the couple on the right in each pair are the heads, which in a standard 4x4 means purple alternate each time. But I think that would be quite hard for dancers to remember while starring. Getting the timing right so everyone naturally ended in the right locations with the music would also be hard in a contra. Still, this could be taught and called as a series of basic moves without introducing a new call. The prompting during the dance could be "star promenade ... head ladies turn back, allemande that side lady halfway, promenade your opposite." On May 4, 2015 5:47 PM, "Neal Schlein via Callers" < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > I believe the dance doesn't exist yet, Jeff. I am curious about the 4x4 > implementation as well, however; it might work just fine, or it might wear > out the novelty quickly. Chinese Fan would show spectacularly in a waltz > quadrille. > > You're close on your interpretation of the figure; that's the effect it > has, but is not quite how it happens. What actually occurs are a pair of > mini-stars on the outside around the central star. > > It isn't a hard move at all; in fact, it's probably easier to learn and > execute correctly than a right and left thru. > > 1. Star Promenade (men keep the star and never stop moving.) > 2. The first and third ladies (heads) step out AS IF to backtrack--but > they don't want to go very wide or get to go very far. It's more like a > cast off than a backtrack, except they keep in close. > 3. The head ladies immediately hook elbows with the trailing side ladies > to make two-person stars (elbow hook because an allemande makes the > circumference a bit large for comfortably maintaining an even speed and > tension). They turn those mini-stars halfway so the heads can rejoin the > star promenade, and then the side ladies fold in behind with the incoming > gent. That puts both ladies with their opposite. > > If you call Chinese Fan such that the mini stars are longer, folks end up > back with their partners. With skilled dancers you can do that > intentionally just by adding an extra four counts of patter in. At speed, > the ladies wind up turning 1 and 1/2 times, the men go all the way around, > and that is perfectly legitimate for the caller to do. > > What makes the timing tricky is that this is a traditional square dance > move, and not a modern squares or contra dance move; squares aren't set to > the phrase of a 16 bar tune, the calls themselves are constructed > differently, the dancers don't know exactly what is coming when, and the > figures have some give in them. This thing technically takes 6 counts to > complete--but absolutely no one is going to dance it that fast or count it > that way unless they are hyped up on sugar or have drilled it like crazy > for precision performance (that's how I learned it). In reality, though, > we wouldn't teach it with the counts. The majority of dancers will > naturally take 8 to 10 counts for each fan, plus some time between the > two. (Note: at 6 counts per plus a 4 count recovery, two renditions of > the Chinese Fan comes to exactly 16 counts, and moves everyone 1/2 of the > way around the circle!) > > For contra-type settings, things are a little different. Because of the > predictability of the dance and the musical structure, I'd say that with > careful teaching it can reliably be an 8 count sequence per fan, plus time > to recover between them. > > Chinese Fan isn't actually a MWSD figure to the best of my knowledge. > Even if it were active, it would be considered a traditional or > traditional-style move. It very well may be a post-1950s creation, and > could have been originally published by Sets in Order, but is very much in > line with the older material found in Colorado and the inner-mountain > West. The things that have been generally shifted into contra are modern > figures with linear structures and short, punctuated movement like box > circulate, scoot back, swing thru, square thru, box the gnat, flutterwheel > (in the form of star promenades), and cross trail thru (although that one > makes me a little sad when I see it taught as a linear figure or in crowded > halls; it deserves more movement and flow than it gets). > > > Neal Schlein > Youth Services Librarian, Mahomet Public Library > > > Currently reading: *The Different Girl* by Gordon Dahlquist > Currently learning: How to set up an automated email system. > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Jeff Kaufman <jeff(a)jefftk.com> wrote: > >> What's the choreography of this 4x4? I'm curious about how the timing of >> this figure works. It sounds like the timings you'd use for experienced >> dancers and newer dancers are dramatically different, which makes it hard >> to fit to the music with a general crowd in a way that works for the new >> dancers and feels satisfying for the experienced ones. >> >> Some successful transplants like the MWSD "box circulate" have worked by >> breaking down the movements into standard contra calls, without having to >> introduce a new call. Would that work here? >> >> For example, teach by asking them to star promenade, and then saying that >> while the gents keep starring the ladies turn out and single file promenade >> back two. During the dance you could just call "ladies turn out, go back >> two". (But I'm not confident I understand the figure, so this might not be >> close enough to what you want the dancers to do.) >> On May 4, 2015 2:54 PM, "Claire Takemori via Callers" < >> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Neal and All, >>> thank you for the replies and help. I can see that it's not a simple >>> choreography issue. >>> I will give the floor pattern/teaching to my friend to see how >>> choreography goes. >>> I will ask an Advanced caller who knows how to teach Chinese Fan to see >>> if they want to try the Contra 4x4, AFTER teaching a square with the >>> Chinese Fan, so the crowd knows it already. >>> >>> Neal, I hear you on bringing a square move to Contra. And I've >>> experienced some new contras that are not so rigid or linear, so I thought >>> it might work. >>> >>> Thanks everyone! >>> claire >>> >>> On May 4, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Neal Schlein <nschlein(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Claire, >>> >>> I can help, but am not certain you asked for what you truly want. Are >>> you really looking for a set of calls for the square, or do you need >>> directions for the floor pattern, teaching instructions, a working timing >>> for the square-style calls, or the timing of the figure for a contra >>> setting? >>> >>> I'm asking because I suspect your friend doesn't actually need the >>> calls. This is going to open a can of worms on the list, but contras and >>> mescalonzas (aka 4x4 dances) are prompted, not called. Although most >>> dancers and many callers don't make a distinction, the mechanics and timing >>> of the two techniques are different. If you move Chinese Fan into a >>> contra-type setting, the calls (as a square dance caller would see them) >>> are technically irrelevant because you wouldn't want to use them. (And, >>> with many figures, you can't use them without either changing the wording, >>> changing the timing, or stepping outside of the contra-prompting >>> technique.) What I am betting he actually needs to know is the full floor >>> pattern and the timing of that sequence. >>> >>> *The Call* >>> For someone who knows the Chinese Fan figure is coming and how to do it, >>> the only necessary words for prompting are some variation on: >>> *Head (side) ladies turn back (lead, roll back, open out...) for a >>> Chinese fan.* (After completion, repeat for either same ladies or >>> other pair of ladies) >>> >>> That would suffice for a New England style square or a quadrille, as >>> everything else in the call is just filler. A longer call with patter >>> would be personalized to the caller and the region; in my calling >>> tradition, there would be near-constant running patter throughout. Both >>> the phrasing and the timing of the above would port over to contras and >>> your 4x4, although you wouldn't need to identify the leading parties >>> because their identity would be pre-defined. >>> >>> *Floor pattern/teaching* >>> Start in a Star Promenade; men keep the star and continue turning it >>> moving throughout. Identified ladies will turn out and away from their >>> partner to face the other direction, and then hook free elbows with the >>> lady behind them. Ladies turn 1/2 while men turn the star 1/4; lead lady >>> rejoins the star promenade with next man to arrive (original opposite). >>> Star turns another 1/4 and the following ladies rejoin star promenade with >>> the next man behind (original opposite). Repeat with either lady to return >>> to partner. >>> >>> *Timing* >>> If done precisely, each piece can be accomplished in 2 counts and it >>> takes 6 counts to complete the figure: >>> 1-2 Lead lady turns away from partner to face reverse direction; star >>> moves forward 1/4. (ending position: Ladies have met to hook elbows in the >>> position the lead ladies were in.) >>> 3-4 Men rotate star one position while ladies turn 1/2. (Ending >>> position: Lead lady has rejoined star with opposite man and released >>> following lady.) >>> 5-6 Star rotates 1/4; following ladies ladies loop toward center and >>> rejoin star. (Ending formation: Star Promenade. Ending location: All with >>> opposite person from start. Men have moved forward 3/4 around circle, and >>> ladies have moved forward 1/4 from beginning position.) >>> >>> That is a tight, performance-style timing. In reality, it takes between >>> 2 and 4 beats per part and a total of 8 to 12 counts to complete; also, if >>> called square to the walls the action will actually happen on the corner >>> diagonals and the set will have turned somewhat less than the full men 3/4 >>> ladies 1/4. >>> >>> >>> Also...and this is an entirely personal opinion and something of a >>> soapbox... I would caution against moving this figure out of its >>> traditional environment, especially if you really love it. I know lots of >>> people on here will disagree with me, but figures that are lively, >>> expansive, and joyously free in their original square-dance context (such >>> as basket swings, the docey-do, Harlem Rosettes, or Texas Stars and the >>> related figures) tend to be greatly diminished when shoehorned into the >>> rigid 8 count phrase and linear, mechanical, progressive format of contra >>> dancing. Sometimes it is done successfully, but not very often. (End of >>> soap box.) >>> >>> >>> Good luck; if your friend does want a set of calls for the square dance >>> version, I can write something up. >>> Neal Schlein >>> >>> Neal Schlein >>> Youth Services Librarian, Mahomet Public Library >>> >>> >>> Currently reading: *The Different Girl* by Gordon Dahlquist >>> Currently learning: How to set up an automated email system. >>> >>> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Claire Takemori via Callers < >>> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi. >>>> I'm new to the list, not a caller yet, but wanting to learn more about >>>> Contra dance and maybe calling. >>>> >>>> I've got a friend who is writing a 4x4 contra for me with a Chinese Fan >>>> in it. He needs to know how to call the Fan as he can't figure it out from >>>> the one video I've found on youtube that has it in it (Three Arches) >>>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8c6Xzn3AyE >>>> >>>> Can you tell me how to call a Chinese Fan? >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> claire >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Callers mailing list >>>> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>>> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Callers mailing list >>> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > >

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