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Re: [Callers] Jets / rubies genderfree terms redux: gems?

by Alan Winston via Callers

On 5/28/15 12:30 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers wrote: > > For those interested in gender free contra dance terms: > > 1. Do you like or dislike jets / rubies ? > Like. (I'm responding on personal preference alone; I'm aware of some objections to this, which I don't personally share.) > 2. How would gems / rubies compare? > Less good, because the soft "ms" would make the call less clear. Also, rubies _are_ gems, so this is confusing. -- Alan

9 years, 6 months

Re: [Callers] Jets / rubies genderfree terms redux: gems?

by John W Gintell via Callers

It would be interesting to get some dancers' reactions to these various terminologies. Has anyone thought of using two different pairings in a dance evening and then asking the dancers which they thought was clearer to their ears and which they preferred? Of course this is even a bigger burden on the caller. On May 29, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Ron Blechner via Callers wrote: > Erik, neat cheat. > > For reference, my own thoughts on the terms, and a general FAQ about gender free terms: > http://contradances.tumblr.com/post/113203981035/genderfree-contra-dance-te… > > I have not updated it with gems / rubies. > > I like jets / rubies, but I think gems / rubies is better: > > 1. I disagree that the "em" sound is harder to hear than the "et" in jet. Good mic skills / having a foam pad on a mic will dull the sharp "ts" in "gents", and thus, "jets". Because a loud "ts" on the mic is harsh. Therefore, this argument against "gems" is not an issue. > > 2. A lot of people don't know "jet" is a gemstone, and so they think airplane. I've had a lot of gender free dancers complain about this. Given that the terms need to serve the LGBTQ community, and not merely us as callers, I take this complaint seriously. Thus, "gem" is a better choice. > > 3. Yes, a ruby is a gem. So what? They're both gems. > > 4. There's a gender connotation to thinking jet = airplane, since it's either phallic, or people think the NY/NJ football team, or the West Side Story fictional gang. Again, the terms are here to serve the dancers, not merely us. > > 5. Gem has all the same advantages as jet. > > I thus think gem / ruby is a superior pair than jet / ruby. > > Ron Blechner > > On May 29, 2015 11:32 AM, "Erik Hoffman via Callers" <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > We are still using larks and ravens at the Berkeley dance. And, though I don't seem to have too much trouble using different words for different dances -- so far I've used men/women, ladies/gents, bands/bares, trees/squirrels, and larks/ravens without changing my mess of dance notes -- I understand that others can't switch so easily. On this note, at the Berkeley dance a caller recently did the following: > > 1) asked if anyone had some post-its. When found some > 2) wrote "lark" and "raven" on the sticky end > 3) cut out these little cheat-sheets > 4) covered the words "gents" and "ladies" with the post-it cheats > 5) move cheats to next card as needed > > Thereby changing their cards to the current words on the fly. I was impressed. > > ~erik hoffman > oakland, ca > > On 5/28/2015 8:01 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2015, Alan Winston via Callers wrote: > On 5/28/15 12:30 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers wrote: > > For those interested in gender free contra dance terms: > > 1. Do you like or dislike jets / rubies ? > > Like. (I'm responding on personal preference alone; I'm aware of some > objections to this, which I don't personally share.) > > 2. How would gems / rubies compare? > > Less good, because the soft "ms" would make the call less clear. Also, > rubies _are_ gems, so this is confusing. > > Me too. I haven't yet tried calling with the jets and rubies terminology, though I've used bands/bares and larks/ravens. I can't say I'm eager to add yet another set of translated cards to my files. > Kalia Kliban > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

9 years, 6 months

Re: [Callers] Jets / rubies genderfree terms redux: gems?

by Linda Leslie via Callers

Thanks for reviewing these thoughts, Ron. I am in full agreement with all of your points! Linda Leslie On May 29, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Ron Blechner via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > For reference, my own thoughts on the terms, and a general FAQ about gender free terms: > http://contradances.tumblr.com/post/113203981035/genderfree-contra-dance-te… > > I have not updated it with gems / rubies. > > I like jets / rubies, but I think gems / rubies is better: > > 1. I disagree that the "em" sound is harder to hear than the "et" in jet. Good mic skills / having a foam pad on a mic will dull the sharp "ts" in "gents", and thus, "jets". Because a loud "ts" on the mic is harsh. Therefore, this argument against "gems" is not an issue. > > 2. A lot of people don't know "jet" is a gemstone, and so they think airplane. I've had a lot of gender free dancers complain about this. Given that the terms need to serve the LGBTQ community, and not merely us as callers, I take this complaint seriously. Thus, "gem" is a better choice. > > 3. Yes, a ruby is a gem. So what? They're both gems. > > 4. There's a gender connotation to thinking jet = airplane, since it's either phallic, or people think the NY/NJ football team, or the West Side Story fictional gang. Again, the terms are here to serve the dancers, not merely us. > > 5. Gem has all the same advantages as jet. > > I thus think gem / ruby is a superior pair than jet / ruby. > > Ron Blechner >

9 years, 6 months

Re: [Callers] Jets / rubies genderfree terms redux: gems?

by Aahz Maruch via Callers

On Thu, May 28, 2015, Ron Blechner wrote: > > I have had to explain that "a jet is a gem, not the airplane or a West Side > Story gang" to a ton of people. So I feel this is more confusing than a > ruby being a gem. I'd say that jets are black gems, giving people the option of using colored armbands if they feel the need to visually identify roles. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html

9 years, 6 months

Re: [Callers] Jets / rubies genderfree terms redux: gems?

by Ron Blechner via Callers

Yes, that's pretty much it, Maia. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > At a guess, I would say that it's to distinguish it from the more masculine > connotations of "jet" as either a plane or a color, and so to avoid having > gender-y valances to what are supposed to be gender neutral terms. Ron, is > that right? Or am I missing the mark here? > > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Eric Black via Callers > <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >> Why have to explain that a “jet” is a gem? Just say that it’s very >> different from “ruby” so they are not easily confused in a noisy room. >> -Eric >> >> On May 28, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers >> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >> I have had to explain that "a jet is a gem, not the airplane or a West >> Side Story gang" to a ton of people. So I feel this is more confusing than a >> ruby being a gem. >> >> On May 28, 2015 4:25 PM, "Aahz Maruch via Callers" >> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, May 28, 2015, Alan Winston via Callers wrote: >>> > On 5/28/15 12:30 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers wrote: >>> >> >>> >>For those interested in gender free contra dance terms: >>> >> >>> >>1. Do you like or dislike jets / rubies ? >>> > >>> > Like. (I'm responding on personal preference alone; I'm aware of some >>> > objections to this, which I don't personally share.) >>> > >>> >>2. How would gems / rubies compare? >>> > >>> > Less good, because the soft "ms" would make the call less clear. Also, >>> > rubies _are_ gems, so this is confusing. >>> >>> Ditto all this. >>> -- >>> Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 >>> http://rule6.info/ >>> <*> <*> <*> >>> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Callers mailing list >>> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >

9 years, 6 months

Re: [Callers] Jets / rubies genderfree terms redux: gems?

by Eric Black via Callers

Why have to explain that a “jet” is a gem? Just say that it’s very different from “ruby” so they are not easily confused in a noisy room. -Eric On May 28, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > I have had to explain that "a jet is a gem, not the airplane or a West Side Story gang" to a ton of people. So I feel this is more confusing than a ruby being a gem. > > On May 28, 2015 4:25 PM, "Aahz Maruch via Callers" <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2015, Alan Winston via Callers wrote: > > On 5/28/15 12:30 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers wrote: > >> > >>For those interested in gender free contra dance terms: > >> > >>1. Do you like or dislike jets / rubies ? > > > > Like. (I'm responding on personal preference alone; I'm aware of some > > objections to this, which I don't personally share.) > > > >>2. How would gems / rubies compare? > > > > Less good, because the soft "ms" would make the call less clear. Also, > > rubies _are_ gems, so this is confusing. > > Ditto all this. > -- > Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ > <*> <*> <*> > Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

9 years, 6 months

[Callers] Jets / rubies genderfree terms redux: gems?

by Ron Blechner via Callers

For those interested in gender free contra dance terms: 1. Do you like or dislike jets / rubies ? 2. How would gems / rubies compare? In dance, Ron Blechner

9 years, 6 months

Re: [Callers] Fwd: Wireless Headset

by Donald Perley via Callers

I think a key feature to look for is "noise cancelling." In a microphone that means there are are 2 microphone elements, and the difference between those is sent down the wire. For a distant sound source (ie the main speakers) the difference will be very small and cancel out. For a close source (your mouth) there will be a significant difference as one is right next to your mouth and the other is a few inches away. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Rich Sbardella via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > Hello friends, > > I recently called a dance and had trouble with my Shure wireless headset > system. I had feedback as I called from the floor/field. That indicates > that the mic pattern is probably to wide, since the volume was not that > loud. > > It also droped out as I walked around the field at the outdoor dance. > > Can anyone recommend a good quality headset system for a singing caller who > is often on the floor as he calls? > > Rich Sbardella > Stafford, CT > > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >

9 years, 6 months

[Callers] Wireless Headset

by Rich Sbardella via Callers

I continue to gather information, and consider suggestions. Has anyone used the Audio Technica Pro HE series with a hypercardoid headset mic? Rich Stafford, CT

9 years, 6 months

[Callers] Fwd: Wireless Headset

by Rich Sbardella via Callers

Hello friends, I recently called a dance and had trouble with my Shure wireless headset system. I had feedback as I called from the floor/field. That indicates that the mic pattern is probably to wide, since the volume was not that loud. It also droped out as I walked around the field at the outdoor dance. Can anyone recommend a good quality headset system for a singing caller who is often on the floor as he calls? Rich Sbardella Stafford, CT

9 years, 6 months

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