Luke --
For option 2 (thematically linked dances in alternation) I wonder if you
could just way it was a medley; not only keep calling but rather than
pingponging just between pairs you could use multiple pairs.
--Alan
On 5/1/2015 11:37 AM, Luke Donforth via Callers wrote:
> I should note, I've never actually tried calling "Luke's Options are
> Limited" it was mostly a theoretical exercise for me. To my knowledge
> it's never been danced.
>
> If you have only two sets, it's not clear to me how a transgressive
> contras are functionally different than 4 face 4 dances or their
> cousin, Tempest Formation. (In my box, I'd put "Kim's Game" under
> Tempest Formation.)
> The Tempest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qNp-n4CbdI
> It becomes a question of if everyone is changing lines, or just half
> the couples are, but you're bouncing back and forth.
>
> If that's all you want, great. There's lots of room to write more 4
> face 4 and tempest formation dances, and you can incorporate pass
> through lines there.
>
> If you have more than two sets involved, I haven't found a way to keep
> things from being either complicated or boring for some dancers.
>
> Option 1: all 1s and 2s progress the same way every time
> If you have a progression that's down one couple, and over one set to
> the left for the 1s, and up one couple over one set to the right for
> the 2s, you no longer change numbers when you reach the bottom of the
> hall, you also change numbers when you reach the sides. So even with 5
> sets across and 20 hands four deep, nobody is going to go more than 5
> hands-four from their original position. If you've got a square (10
> sets across, 10 hands four deep, etc) some folks on the main diagonal
> see 10 different couples, but other folks will bounce back and fourth
> on short diagonals of just a few couples.
>
> Option 2: have options that vary the progression
> This is what "Luke's Options are Limited" attempts to do
> (http://www.madrobincallers.org/2013/01/25/attempting-a-grid-contra-choreogr…
> ). If gives you different dances (thematically linked) to travel to
> different points on the floor. You could find other pairs of
> improper/becket dances using wide lines and long lines, and even
> incorporate passing through lines. But you're stuck with having to
> have different dances to call and be calling all the way through the
> dance. I personally try and get out of the way of the band and dancers
> interacting, and dislike calling through the entire dance.
>
> Option 3: expand 4 face 4 to 6 face 6, 8 face 8, etc.
> I played around with this a bit, and I think others have as well
> (Roger Auman?). There are dances up at
> http://www.madrobincallers.org/2014/02/26/6-facing-6-contra-dances/
> I haven't done anything with them after writing them, but if they
> inspire you; feel free to use them. The hard part (in my opinion) is
> giving everyone something interesting to do. If your line of 6 has a
> pass through along the set, you've got to keep your trail buddy groups
> together and permuting, or some folks get a bum ride.
>
> Option 4: I haven't found one, but let me know if you do!
>
> Have fun.
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Michael Dyck via Callers
> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
>
> On 15-05-01 01:02 AM, Lindsey Dono wrote:
>
>
> Is "grid contra" the more standard terminology than
> "transgressive?"
>
>
> I hadn't heard the term "transgressive contra" before, and I'm not
> finding hits for the term in search engines.
>
> Here's what I've got:
>
> 1990-1995
> Chris Kermiet: "Beckett's Crossing"
> (in his "Zany Contras and Other Stuff!")
> http://k-1.us/contras/beckettscrossing.html
> (refers to it as "a progressive contra dance")
>
> May 2010
> Peter Foster: "Crisscross"
> http://pfoster.pcug.org.au/dance/contra.htm#cri
> (Doesn't really have a term for the dance form.)
>
> Jan 2012?
> Seth Tepfer: "Transgression"
> http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/2012-Janua…
> (refers to it as a "grid contra", but also refers to progression
> across as "transgression", hence the dance's title)
> See also other posts in that thread.
>
> Jan 2013
> Luke Donforth: "Luke's Options are Limited"
> http://www.madrobincallers.org/2013/01/25/attempting-a-grid-contra-choreogr…
> (refers to it as a "grid contra")
>
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For Playground Stomp, next time I'll try the B2 as:
Ladies Chain (8) (to N)
Star L to long waves (8)
It's slightly harder, but reduces balances from 5 to 4, and reduces the
raised arms in the dance, which may mean less fatigue.
Ron
On Apr 30, 2015 8:06 PM, "Ron Blechner" <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Thought I'd share the fruits of my thinking.
>
> Wrote a few dances. Have 2 keepers:
>
> Astral Navigation
> Becket Contra
> Ron T Blechner
> Called 4/15/15 Baltimore
>
> A1. Circle L 3/4 (6)
> NS (10)
> A2. Star L 1x (8) to Long Waves *
> Bal Wave, Box Circulate ** (4, 4)
> B1. Bal R, Slide R past P (4, 4) ***
> Bal L, Slide L past P (4, 4)
> B2. P B+S (4, 12)
>
> * Gents face out, Ladies face in, Prev N in LH, New N in RH
> ** Ladies Cross, Gents Loop R. This is the progression!
> *** As in Rory O'Moore
>
> One of several dances I wrote mixing Rory O'Moore spins and box
> circulates. This one has a strong partner focus, but still manages a
> neighbor swing. The title refers both to using the star to enter the
> long ocean waves, as well as one's partner being a guiding star to
> keep in the right place.
>
>
> Playground Stomp
> Duple Improper Contra
> Ron T Blechner
> Called 4/1/15 Amherst, refined, called 4/16/15 Mt. Airy, Philadelphia
> Thursday dance
>
> Start: Long waves with Gents facing out, Ladies facing In, N in RH
>
> A1. Bal, Slide R past N (4, 4) *
> Bal, Slide L past N (4, 4)
> A2. Bal, Box Circulate (4, 4) **
> Bal, Gents Alle L 1x (4, 4) ***
> B1. P Gypsy + Swing (16)
> B2. Ladies Alle R 1.5x (8) to wave of 4 ****
> Bal Wave, N Alle L 3/4 (4, 4) to long waves. *****
>
> * as in Rory O'Moore
> ** Ladies cross, gents loop R
> *** Ladies loop R as if it's a box circulate. This flows nicely into the
> gypsy.
> **** N in LH
> ***** New N in RH
>
> Difficulty: Intermediate - the individual moves aren't bad, but
> there's a lot going on. This is a very stompy dance, hence the title.
> "Playground" refers to slides and boxes one might play on/in.
>
> I'm going to play with this more... Maybe turn the gents allemande to
> a gypsy left.
>
> This dance I wrote to mix up 2 Rory spins and 2 Box Circulates. The
> gents allemande was an innovation born out of necessity. There's no
> neighbor swing, but you get a lot of interaction with them.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Perry Shafran via Callers
> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> > This is a category where there is a lot of dances, those that have both
> > Petronella and Rory O'More figures. I know of Bob Isaacs "Flaherty Will
> Get
> > you Everywhere", plus my own "Cheat Lake Twirl", and there are a few
> others
> > that I know of but forget the authors/names of dances.
> >
> > Perry
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Dugan Murphy via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> > To: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 3:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Rory slides and Box circulates
> >
> > Hi Ron,
> >
> > I don't know of any dances with a Rory O'More figure and a box circulate
> in
> > the same dance, but if you're looking for a Petronella figure and a Rory
> > O'More figure in the same dance, check "Wave-Particle Duality" by Ryan
> > Smith: http://www.twirlyshirts.com/dances/by-ryan/wave-particle-duality/
> .
> >
> > Dugan Murphy
> > dugan(a)duganmurphy.com
> >
> >
> > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:44:18 -0400
> > From: Ron Blechner via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> > To: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> > Subject: [Callers] Rory slides and Box circulates
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> >
> > Long wave Rory O'Moore balance and slides/spins and box circulates ... in
> > the same dance, adjacent to one another?
> >
> > I've not yet seen or danced any. Anyone have?
> >
> > I have a few dances; trying one or two this week.
> >
> > In dance,
> > Ron Blechner
> >
Clarification: by "transgressive," I mean contras that progress between lines (pass through to a new line) as well as along them.
(Based on a YouTube video, Colin Hume's Kim's Game looks like a 4x4, but contains this "pass through to a new line" concept...)
On Apr 30, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Lindsey Dono via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'd like to start exploring transgressive contras; care to share dances you've tried and the hall's reaction(s)?
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On Fri, May 01, 2015, Rich Sbardella via Callers wrote:
>
> Amylase Dancing?
That sounds like a technocontra. Either that or a precursor to
Alzheimer's.
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Aymless Dancing?
(intentionally misspelled)
Amylase Dancing?
Rich
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Jacob Nancy Bloom via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> How true.
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Robert Golder via Callers <
> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> As anyone who has danced with Amy knows, any alternative renderings of
>> Bill's composition ought to collectively entitled:
>>
>> You WISH You Were Dancing With Amy!
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Amy Larkin via Callers <
>> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> This makes me feel so special!
>> :-)
>> Amy
>> On Apr 30, 2015 10:57 AM, "Bill Olson via Callers" <
>> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny, because I *almost* danced with (the) Amy at NEFFA this past
>>> weekend!
>>>
>>> dance is similar but not the same for sure..
>>>
>>> DANCING WITH AMY A Becket formation contra by Bill Olson
>>>
>>> A1: Circle L 3/4, Sw Neighbor (16) (face couple on RIGHT diagonal*)
>>> A2: W chain on R diag (to Shadow #1)(8) (face new couple across) L/H
>>> star with couple across x 1 (8) (Partner will be coming out of adjoining
>>> star give R hand to Partner, L hand to Shadow #1 to form long wavy line
>>> ALONG set)
>>> B1: Bal wave (towards partner first)(4), slide R as in Rory O'More (R/H
>>> to Shadow #2, L/H to Partner)(4), Bal wave (towards partner on Left) (4),
>>> slide L (4)
>>> B2: Partner Bal and Sw (16)
>>>
>>> for Amy Richardson Larkin
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:32:17 +0000
>>> To: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Callers] Anyone seen this dance?
>>> From: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
>>>
>>> Then it should be named "Almost Dancing With Amy"
>>>
>>> Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239
>>> 5844
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 7:29 PM, Linda Leslie via Callers <
>>> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Very close to Dancing with Amy, by Bill Olson.
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Perry Shafran via Callers <
>>> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Since folks generally check here to see whether dance compositions have
>>> already been written, I thought I might as well. Tentatively calling this
>>> "Charm City Contra".
>>>
>>> Becket dance
>>>
>>> A1 Circle L 3/4
>>> Pass thru, swing next N
>>> A2 L chn
>>> LH star
>>> B1 Al rt shadow #1 to wavy line, gents facing in
>>> Bal wave, spin rt
>>> B2 Bal & Sw P
>>>
>>> Perry
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Since folks generally check here to see whether dance compositions have already been written, I thought I might as well. Tentatively calling this "Charm City Contra".
Becket dance
A1 Circle L 3/4Pass thru, swing next NA2 L chnLH starB1 Al rt shadow #1 to wavy line, gents facing inBal wave, spin rtB2 Bal & Sw P
Perry
This is a category where there is a lot of dances, those that have both Petronella and Rory O'More figures. I know of Bob Isaacs "Flaherty Will Get you Everywhere", plus my own "Cheat Lake Twirl", and there are a few others that I know of but forget the authors/names of dances.
Perry
From: Dugan Murphy via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
To: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Rory slides and Box circulates
Hi Ron,
I don't know of any dances with a Rory O'More figure and a box circulate in the same dance, but if you're looking for a Petronella figure and a Rory O'More figure in the same dance, check "Wave-Particle Duality" by Ryan Smith: http://www.twirlyshirts.com/dances/by-ryan/wave-particle-duality/.
Dugan Murphy
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:44:18 -0400
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Subject: [Callers] Rory slides and Box circulates
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Long wave Rory O'Moore balance and slides/spins and box circulates ... in
the same dance, adjacent to one another?
I've not yet seen or danced any. Anyone have?
I have a few dances; trying one or two this week.
In dance,
Ron Blechner
As anyone who has danced with Amy knows, any alternative renderings of Bill's composition ought to collectively entitled:
You WISH You Were Dancing With Amy!
On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Amy Larkin via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> This makes me feel so special!
> :-)
> Amy
>
> On Apr 30, 2015 10:57 AM, "Bill Olson via Callers" <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Funny, because I *almost* danced with (the) Amy at NEFFA this past weekend!
>
> dance is similar but not the same for sure..
>
> DANCING WITH AMY A Becket formation contra by Bill Olson
>
> A1: Circle L 3/4, Sw Neighbor (16) (face couple on RIGHT diagonal*)
> A2: W chain on R diag (to Shadow #1)(8) (face new couple across) L/H star with couple across x 1 (8) (Partner will be coming out of adjoining star give R hand to Partner, L hand to Shadow #1 to form long wavy line ALONG set)
> B1: Bal wave (towards partner first)(4), slide R as in Rory O'More (R/H to Shadow #2, L/H to Partner)(4), Bal wave (towards partner on Left) (4), slide L (4)
> B2: Partner Bal and Sw (16)
>
> for Amy Richardson Larkin
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:32:17 +0000
> To: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Anyone seen this dance?
> From: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
>
> Then it should be named "Almost Dancing With Amy"
>
> Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 7:29 PM, Linda Leslie via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
> Very close to Dancing with Amy, by Bill Olson.
> Linda
>
> On Apr 29, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Perry Shafran via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> Since folks generally check here to see whether dance compositions have already been written, I thought I might as well. Tentatively calling this "Charm City Contra".
>
> Becket dance
>
> A1 Circle L 3/4
> Pass thru, swing next N
> A2 L chn
> LH star
> B1 Al rt shadow #1 to wavy line, gents facing in
> Bal wave, spin rt
> B2 Bal & Sw P
>
> Perry
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"Dancing Near Amy".
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On 4/29/2015 5:34 PM, Erik Erhardt via Callers wrote:
> Or "Dancing with Amy Olmos"
> Erik
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> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers
> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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> Then it should be named "Almost Dancing With Amy"
> Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239
> 5844 <tel:217%20239%205844>
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>
>
> On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 7:29 PM, Linda Leslie via Callers
> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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>
> Very close to Dancing with Amy, by Bill Olson.
> Linda
>
> On Apr 29, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Perry Shafran via Callers
> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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>> Since folks generally check here to see whether dance
>> compositions have already been written, I thought I might as
>> well. Tentatively calling this "Charm City Contra".
>>
>> Becket dance
>>
>> A1 Circle L 3/4
>> Pass thru, swing next N
>> A2 L chn
>> LH star
>> B1 Al rt shadow #1 to wavy line, gents facing in
>> Bal wave, spin rt
>> B2 Bal & Sw P
>>
>> Perry
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