A friend is looking for a dance called by Steve Zakon-Anderson and she
believes it's called "A Great Catch."
Her description, as she remembers it, is:
"Ladies left allemande 1 1/2 and balance in a short wave with partner in R
hand, Walk forward to new wave with your shadow in your R hand, Allemand R
1 1/4 with shadow to long lines, ladies facing out, men facing in, Slide to
the right in front of your shadow and catch your partner for a swing,
?Circle to the left all the way around"
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I didn't catch the difference, Don - see clearly now: a right pull by to a left arm turn move is a chain to and allemande of the same person. Yup!
Bob
From: Don Veino <sharedweight_net(a)veino.com>
To: Robert Livingston <rlivngstn(a)yahoo.com>
Cc: Don Veino via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Ladies Chain to Allemande Left (Was: Does this dance already exist?)
Hi Robert,
I may be totally missing the point but, in Just Because, the chain and allemande are with *different* people. I agree that's a common bit of choreography with a well established history - particularly so in squares.
In the dance I referenced (and how I interpreted - perhaps erroneously - the original request), the person you chain to and the person you allemande with are the *same* people, and the moves proceed directly from one to the other for more than a minor fraction (see below).
I'm happy to let go any claim to uniqueness for this approach, should it matter. We all just add little bits to the foundations we've inherited.
Thanks,Don
Greenfield Tornado – Becket – Don Veino 20161218
A1
Left Diagonal Slice & Take to Gent’s Side (Neighbor Swing)
[First time can be straight across Give & Take; Alternate A1 = Diagonal Circle Left 3/4, N Swing]A2
Ladies Chain (to P)
Partner Allemande Left 1+1/2xB1
Full Hey, Gents Pass Right to startB2
Partner Balance & SwingEnd Effects: Wait out crossed over on Left Diagonal at ends.(Note: as covered in my blog post on this dance, the same sequence but for the A2 was independently done previously by Linda Leslie as her dance Greenfield Storm. I modified my dance title as shown to honor hers, once I became aware of it.)
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Robert Livingston <rlivngstn(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Don..and all,
Dover, VT, in a square dance; "Just Because" Ted Glabach, caller:
A1 Head Ladies Chain - BackA2 Sides...the same
B1 Allemande Left on the Corner (8)
come home and Swing with Your Own (8)
B2 Take the Corner maid and we'll all Promenade (8) Because, just because (8)
Tag B3 Because, just because
Not a modern era dance, not in contra formation, but still in play.
Bob Livingston
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Ladies Chain to Allemande Left (Was: Does this dance already exist?)
In case anyone might be under the assumption that I'd claimed to have invented the Ladies Chain or similar... :-)
My understanding of the context of the original post was looking for a modern era dance featuring Ladies Chain with Courtesy Turn, proceeding directly to a full Allemande Left with the same person. That's the sequence in my dance I referenced (and haven't encountered elsewhere before).
Fascinating and informative Chain history thread please continue...
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Don..and all,
Dover, VT, in a square dance; "Just Because" Ted Glabach, caller:
A1 Head Ladies Chain - BackA2 Sides...the same
B1 Allemande Left on the Corner (8)
come home and Swing with Your Own (8)
B2 Take the Corner maid and we'll all Promenade (8) Because, just because (8)
Tag B3 Because, just because
Not a modern era dance, not in contra formation, but still in play.
Bob Livingston
From: Don Veino via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
To: Don Veino via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Ladies Chain to Allemande Left (Was: Does this dance already exist?)
In case anyone might be under the assumption that I'd claimed to have invented the Ladies Chain or similar... :-)
My understanding of the context of the original post was looking for a modern era dance featuring Ladies Chain with Courtesy Turn, proceeding directly to a full Allemande Left with the same person. That's the sequence in my dance I referenced (and haven't encountered elsewhere before).
Fascinating and informative Chain history thread please continue...
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Hi All,
Ladies' Chain to Allemande Left is actually the original version of
the Ladies' Chain! I believe that the Courtesy Turn was added sometime late
in the 19th century, or maybe in the first half of the 20th century.
Prior to that the "Chaine des Dames" was always danced as Ladies
Pull By Right, Allemande Left the Man You Meet - and always there and back
again.
It occurs in countless dances over the last few hundred years, going
back to the 18th century quadrilles and probably earlier.
The Ladies' Chains in Chestnut contras were probably danced that way
originally.
Of course If the man maintains that Allemande position he will end
up facing the wrong way in most dances. So he will usually have to make a
quick turn to his left at the end of the Allemande. I find it quite hard to
persuade the men NOT to touch the lady with their right arm. Many ECD
dances contain this move and I understand that some American ladies hate it
when the man guides her with his right arm.
So, between the two extremes of the man ending up facing out, and
the man putting his right arm around the lady, you have the compromise of
starting the Allemande normally, but then the man turning towards the lady
as the move ends - this is known in some circles as a Polite Turn.
Happy dancing,
John
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On Apr 13, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Jacob Bloom wrote:
> My dance You Married My Daughter (written in 1987) has a Ladies Chain into an Allemande Left, although I find it less confusing to teach it as "ladies pull by, allemande left with the opposite gent.
I wholeheartedly agree with Jacob. If you want the ladies to
pull past each other and then allemande with whichever gent
they meet, then just tell them that--designating which hand
to use, which gent they meet (partner, neighbor, or shadow]),
how far to turn, and where they end up, as appropriate. If
you describe it using the word "chain"--at least with a crowd
of contemporary American contra dancers--I think there are
likely to be at least a few dancers who will react by doing a
courtesy turn, or the twirls people sometimes put in place o
a courtesy turn, before you can tell them otherwise. Then,
having practiced it that way, some of them may continue to do
it that way every time, even after you've attempted to clarify
what action you actually intended, so that they always end up
fumbling around a little to get to wherever they need to be
for the next move.
Even if you don't use the word "chain", the mere act of
ladies pulling past each other and extending their left hands
to the gents they meet may trigger some gents to start a
courtesy turn. Describing the action as a "chain" can only
increase the number of dancers who have something to unlearn.
--Jim
My dance You Married My Daughter (written in 1987) has a Ladies Chain into
an Allemande Left, although I find it less confusing to teach it as "ladies
pull by, allemande left with the opposite gent.
You Married My Daughter
Jacob Bloom
Duple Improper
Balance in long lines (gents facing out), slide past to right
Balance left and right, slide to left
Balance in long lines, allemande right 3/4
Gents allemande left once and a half
Balance and swing partner
end facing across
Promenade across
Ladies pull by, allemande left with opposite gent to long lines
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Don Veino via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Hi Esther,
>
> Such a move is in my Greenfield Tornado dance. Choreo and a video link is
> on my blog post <http://veino.com/blog/?p=1363>. I'm not aware of any
> other dance until now which used this combination, but would be happy to
> give credit to a prior pioneer.
>
> -Don
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Esther Fraser via Callers <
> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> Also interested in other dances that have a Ladies' Chain to into
>> Allemande Left (with the one you chain to) combo. I think I might have seen
>> it somewhere, but I can't remember where.
>
>
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I was given this dance years ago, but failed to note who wrote it.
A1. DSD 1.25 to a short wave (women in the middle) (8), balance the wave TWICE (8)
A2. With Crnt Nbr Allm Rt 0.75. With Nxt Nbr (along the line) Allm Lft 1.0.
With Crnt Nbr Allm Rt 0.75. Men pull by Lft
B1. B&S P
B2. R&L thru, Circ Lft 0.75, ready to pass thru and DSD
April Blum
Hi Martha,
Interesting idea about transitions and poise points. I’m working on a dance with transitions I think are interesting, but worry they could be too jarring (have not tried it on human salt shakers yet). Here’s the first part:
Start: improper
A1 1-4 Ladies chain up and down set to neighbor, courtesy turn (at end releasing right hand, hold on to the left, facing each other across the set)
5-8 Swat the flea
A2 1-8 (turn up/down the set to) Balance and swing partner
One possible way to “smooth” the transition from the courtesy turn might be to release the right hand early and use left hands to turn the lady under (clockwise, lady turn right) before going into the balance for the swat, but I resist having it be a forced twirl. Perhaps folks would “discover” that on their own.
What other transistions or poise points do folks find interesting?
Thanx, Ric Goldman
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Hi, all. Actually, I think the transition from the petronella to the ladies chain is a good one. There are certain moves in dancing, that I’ve heard called “poise points,” where one purposefully switches direction, and it can be very satisfying. For me, the spin to the right feels like the winding up of a spring that you then unleash in the other direction. Some dances that look as if they have good flow end up having so much clockwise spin that it tires people.
On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > wrote:
Hi Esther,
If anyone has not mentioned it, I feel there is a kink in the flow trying to go from a petronella to a chain. As you spin R, it is the left hand which feels available as you face the set because your body has been rotating clockwise, even as it move CCW around the minor set. So there will be this washing machine action to get into the chain. You might be counting on the claps to arrest that movement, but I still feel it's not an especially satisfying entry into the chain. A gents chain, otoh, would be peachy.
What, to you, is the hook in this dance? What were you going for?
Best,
Andrea
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On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Esther Fraser via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > wrote:
Hey folks,
Has anyone seen this dance already?
A1: Balance the ring & petronella
Ladies Chain
A2: Full Hey, Ladies pass R (16)
B1: Ladies Chain
P Allemande L
B2: Balance the ring & Petronella
Balance the ring & California twirl
Also interested in other dances that have a Ladies' Chain to into Allemande Left (with the one you chain to) combo. I think I might have seen it somewhere, but I can't remember where.
Thanks,
Esther Fraser
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I have Rocket City Romp by Cis Hinkle which has an interrupted square thru.
Perhaps this (or a variant) is what you seek...
A1 N balance R, pull by R up\down. P pull by L across. NS.
A2 LLFB. W allemande R 1 1/2
B1 P B&S
B2 W chain. P balance R, pull by R across. N pull by L up/down to progress
ciao,
rah
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Rich Sbardella via Callers <
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> I am looking for a dance titled either Rapid City Reel, or Rocket City
> Reel.
> The dance has back to back interrupted square thru two hands.
>
> Can anyone help me with this one?
>
> Rich
> Stafford, CT
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I am at the point that I want to reorganize my dance box to be able to better program an evening. I plan to go to “categories of dance features”, and have listed what I am thinking for possible categories below.
I am wondering how others organize their boxes - if categories, what do you include ? Do you file Becket and/or Double Progression separately from “dance categories”, or just note on card ?
Or do you have another suggestion ?
Possible Categories:
Easy and ONS Contras
California Twirl
Full Hey
1/2 Hey
Down the Hall
Petronella
Mad Robin
Short Wavy Lines
Long Wavy Lines
Zig Zag
Balance the Ring
Box The Gnat
? Four Facing Four
? Becket
? Double Progression
? Unique (e.g. Wizards Walk)
Appreciate your suggestions !! Thanks - Cheryl
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