Thanks for mentioning the personal preference for Give & Take, Ron! The timing does seem to vary. But Larry Jennings, originator of the move, actually preferred two steps forward, two steps back with your Partner, and then a 12 count swing. Larry liked his dancing “Zesty”!
Linda
On Aug 20, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> This is a nice dance.
>
> I think I'll call it tonight.
>
> (For timing, I just mark down give and take to a swing as 16 beats, but timing for that move is a personal preference, I believe).
>
> Best,
> Ron Blechner
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2016 9:56 PM, "QuiAnn2 via Callers" <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Hi, all!
>
> Thanks to all those who responded about this dance. Both Bob Isaacs and Chris Page don’t recognize the dance as already written so I think we’re good to go. Would love to hear how it goes if you decide to call it. The title is not a typo. The 2nd word is a play on words as a combination of robin+orbit.
>
> I changed the choreography slightly in B1. I teach the “give and take” as a ring balance, followed by the ladies drawing their Partner across the set. As such, I’ve changed the timing to (4) and (12) rather than how I had it originally as (8) and (8). That was just an oversight on my part when I originally posted the dance.
>
> Jacqui Grennan
>
>
>
> Mad Orbin
> by Jacqui Grennan
> Contra/Improper
>
> A1 -----------
> (4) N RH Balance
> (4) Box the gnat
> (8) Mad Robin, gents in front
> A2 -----------
> (8) Gents allemande Left 1-1/2
> meanwhile ladies orbit CW
> (8) N Sw
> B1 -----------
> (4) Ladies give & take their P (ring balance)
> (12) P Sw
> B2 -----------
> (6, 2) Circle left 3/4, pass thru
> (8) Next N DSD
>
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 11:09 AM, QuiAnn2 <quiann2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi, all,
>>>
>>> I wrote a dance recently and called it over the weekend and it was well received. Would like to see if anyone knows if it’s already written. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jacqui Grennan
>>>
>>>
>>> Mad Orbin
>>> by Jacqui Grennan, 8/13/16
>>> Contra/Improper
>>>
>>> A1 -----------
>>> (4) N RH Balance
>>> (4) Box the gnat
>>> (8) Mad Robin, gents in front
>>> A2 -----------
>>> (8) Gents allemande Left 1-1/2
>>> meanwhile ladies orbit CW
>>> (8) N Sw
>>> B1 -----------
>>> (8) Ladies give & take their P
>>> (8) P Sw
>>> B2 -----------
>>> (6, 2) Circle left 3/4, pass thru
>>> (8) Next N DSD
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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> Hi, all,
>
> I wrote a dance recently and called it over the weekend and it was well received. Would like to see if anyone knows if it’s already written. Thanks.
>
> Jacqui Grennan
>
>
> Mad Orbin
> by Jacqui Grennan, 8/13/16
> Contra/Improper
>
> A1 -----------
> (4) N RH Balance
> (4) Box the gnat
> (8) Mad Robin, gents in front
> A2 -----------
> (8) Gents allemande Left 1-1/2
> meanwhile ladies orbit CW
> (8) N Sw
> B1 -----------
> (8) Ladies give & take their P
> (8) P Sw
> B2 -----------
> (6, 2) Circle left 3/4, pass thru
> (8) Next N DSD
>
>
"...the same hey can be different numbers of passes in different heys." I
think there is some double-speak in there. Peace is war, hate is love,
difference is the same. I refuse to bow to Big Brother! ;-)
I also refuse to accept imprecision in dance directions. "Do a 15/16ths
hey for four, ending with the homogeneous sapien in the nominally
gent-gendered role on the inside of the set looking leftward at a 49-degree
angle....)"
On Aug 15, 2016 3:55 PM, "Ron Blechner" <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Good points from Neal and Bev.
I'm curious now about the timing of the ladies casting over right shoulder
and entering the hey. It does seem like it would better fit the music.
RE: 3/8ths hey - there's a ton of dances with 3/8 hey called as half, as
the same hey can be different number of passes in different heys.
Anyway, now I really want to dance a star-cast-hey transition... :)
Ron
On Aug 11, 2016 3:57 PM, "Neal Schlein via Callers" <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Isn't it actually a 3/8ths hey? ...Which is somewhat tricky to say: Three
Eights Hey For Four. Lots of numbers in there. Good enough reason to find
another explanation. ;-)
What I'm seeing about not simply writing it out as a hey is that the star
is causing the ladies to move forward into the men's position. From a
static perspective it is definitely a partial hey, but the women's momentum
will want to carry them too far forward and it'll become mush for anyone
not paying attention. Turning back to the right is nice flow, and to me
there's nothing wrong with writing things like that into the dance.
For example, I have long used a dance which cues the ladies to turn AWAY
from a star and swing the man behind them. Technically it is just a
u-turn, but every time I use that phrase three quarters of the ladies will
turn TOWARD the star (for a variety of reasons, including partner
"assistance"). It makes me cringe, because the dance is so much nicer if
they turn the other direction.
Neal
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How about the casters from the star move up/down to the next hey - all
sorts of interesting possibilities!
Bob
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Good points from Neal and Bev.
>
> I'm curious now about the timing of the ladies casting over right shoulder
> and entering the hey. It does seem like it would better fit the music.
>
> RE: 3/8ths hey - there's a ton of dances with 3/8 hey called as half, as
> the same hey can be different number of passes in different heys.
>
> Anyway, now I really want to dance a star-cast-hey transition... :)
>
> Ron
>
> On Aug 11, 2016 3:57 PM, "Neal Schlein via Callers" <
> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> Isn't it actually a 3/8ths hey? ...Which is somewhat tricky to say: Three
> Eights Hey For Four. Lots of numbers in there. Good enough reason to find
> another explanation. ;-)
>
> What I'm seeing about not simply writing it out as a hey is that the star
> is causing the ladies to move forward into the men's position. From a
> static perspective it is definitely a partial hey, but the women's momentum
> will want to carry them too far forward and it'll become mush for anyone
> not paying attention. Turning back to the right is nice flow, and to me
> there's nothing wrong with writing things like that into the dance.
>
> For example, I have long used a dance which cues the ladies to turn AWAY
> from a star and swing the man behind them. Technically it is just a
> u-turn, but every time I use that phrase three quarters of the ladies will
> turn TOWARD the star (for a variety of reasons, including partner
> "assistance"). It makes me cringe, because the dance is so much nicer if
> they turn the other direction.
>
> Neal
>
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Good points from Neal and Bev.
I'm curious now about the timing of the ladies casting over right shoulder
and entering the hey. It does seem like it would better fit the music.
RE: 3/8ths hey - there's a ton of dances with 3/8 hey called as half, as
the same hey can be different number of passes in different heys.
Anyway, now I really want to dance a star-cast-hey transition... :)
Ron
On Aug 11, 2016 3:57 PM, "Neal Schlein via Callers" <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Isn't it actually a 3/8ths hey? ...Which is somewhat tricky to say: Three
Eights Hey For Four. Lots of numbers in there. Good enough reason to find
another explanation. ;-)
What I'm seeing about not simply writing it out as a hey is that the star
is causing the ladies to move forward into the men's position. From a
static perspective it is definitely a partial hey, but the women's momentum
will want to carry them too far forward and it'll become mush for anyone
not paying attention. Turning back to the right is nice flow, and to me
there's nothing wrong with writing things like that into the dance.
For example, I have long used a dance which cues the ladies to turn AWAY
from a star and swing the man behind them. Technically it is just a
u-turn, but every time I use that phrase three quarters of the ladies will
turn TOWARD the star (for a variety of reasons, including partner
"assistance"). It makes me cringe, because the dance is so much nicer if
they turn the other direction.
Neal
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I've had this dance for years and don't know who wrote it or what it's
called. Anyone know?
Duple, improper
A1 ladies chain up/down set to neighbor
Partner swing
A2 circle L 3 places
Neighbor swing
B1 long lines F & B
Ladies chain
B2 circle L 1 1/4
Rings of 4 balance, California twirl
-Amy
Hi Ron,
In my ever so humble opinion, I think your suggested notation of the A2b is
effectively the same thing. Jo's notation (I'll admit, I think I suggested)
was to specifically mention the ladies turn single, which I'm not sure is
obvious for some dancers when described as a half hey. I think either way
works equally. Your mileage may vary.
Hi Jim Thaxter, to address the question you sent to me directly (to explain
the spin right 1 1/2 to new neighbor in the A1) just in case anyone on this
list was wondering, while I can see how you might think that would put
people into a diamond pattern with men in the middle of the set facing into
their group (up/down) and women on the sides facing in (across), the intent
is that the last turn 1/2 is in place which puts you simply facing new
neighbors. Think of Cary Ravitz's Maliza's Magical Mystery Motion's B1a
figure. When I look at the way he notated it, after the petronella turn he
wrote "and turn alone to face a new neighbor". That was Jo's intention
here.
Thanks also to Chris Page for emailing me directly.
You folks rock! :-)
Bev
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>From: Ron Blechner via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
>To: Bev Bernbaum <wturnip(a)sympatico.ca>
>Cc: callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
>Subject: Re: [Callers] Is this dance already written?
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>Question:
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>The A2b: why not just "gents pull by L to start 1/2 a hey (GL, NR, LL, -) ?
>
>Best,
>Ron Blechner
>
>>On Aug 3, 2016 11:18 PM, "The Witful Turnip via Callers" <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I just spent the weekend with Jo Mortland of Chicago, who wrote the
>> dance below. She asked if there was a way to check if it, or something
>> similar, was already written and I mentioned this list. Jo's not a
>> subscriber but asked if I'd post it and report back. Please let me
>> know. Thanks, Bev
>>
>> Dancing with a Pirate - Jo Mortland
>> Counterclockwise Becket
>>
>> Begins in a ring of four
>> A1
>> Balance, spin right 1-1/2 to new Neighbors Balance, spin right (Lady
>> is on gent's left)
>>
>> A2
>> Hands across LH star
>> Gents pull by L to opposite side
>> While Ladies turn single to R
>> Ladies cross passing left
>>
>> B1
>> P B&S (opposite side of set)
>>
>> B2
>> LLFB
>> R&L thru, to original side of set
>> End in a ring of 4
Hi all,
I just spent the weekend with Jo Mortland of Chicago, who wrote the dance
below. She asked if there was a way to check if it, or something similar,
was already written and I mentioned this list. Jo's not a subscriber but
asked if I'd post it and report back. Please let me know. Thanks,
Bev
Dancing with a Pirate - Jo Mortland
Counterclockwise Becket
Begins in a ring of four
A1
Balance, spin right 1-1/2 to new Neighbors
Balance, spin right
(Lady is on gent's left)
A2
Hands across LH star
Gents pull by L to opposite side
While Ladies turn single to R
Ladies cross passing left
B1
P B&S (opposite side of set)
B2
LLFB
R&L thru, to original side of set
End in a ring of 4
I recently called a wedding dance in a tiny church (the only building left standing after a plague killed off everyone in the village hundreds of years ago!). We managed to clear a 3 x 5 yard area (but even that had dogs and sitting people intruding into the space!).
Fortunately it was a small wedding!
We had 20 people dancing in that space – very crowded – but they all had great fun!
No, we didn’t do any contras!
For a wedding, you use the space you have and make it fun.
Happy dancing,
John
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