[Callers] Difficult dancers - Decision to ask not to return

[Jim Thaxter via Callers]

Wow! I am amazed that some people would ask people not to dance after
they've paid their admission fee, have come expecting to dance, and have
been dancing for months, or perhaps years in some cases. Asking them to
help out by sitting at the door or putting chairs away or other tasks done
by volunteers (who have been dancing) seems patronizing to me. This doesn't
seem like the inclusive atmosphere I've come to expect at dances I attend.

If putting other dancers at risk is the criteria for asking someone not to
participate, would that include people who insist on twirling nearly
everyone they meet down the line? People with shoulder problems, balance
problems, other physical conditions that make it uncomfortable or even
dangerous to be twirled are at risk.

Our Columbia, MO group has more than one person who has had a brain injury,
stroke, hearing difficulty, MS, and we all happily dance with them and are
glad to have them attend. We accommodate their "condition" and welcome them
into the dance. Sure, you don't get that hot groove going when you dance
with them. I like the groove when it happens, but that's not why I dance
and I like it better when even those who aren't hotshots are having a great
time.

Jim Thaxter

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:48 PM Donna Hunt via Callers <
callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Would you ever (or have you ever) asked someone not to return based on
> their inability to dance?
> Is there some point at which you as organizers would consider and
> ultimately such a decision?
>
>
> Personally I think it's appropriate to ask someone not to dance if their
> inability puts other dancers at risk.  For example, someone with poor
> balance (or inability to move fast enough) who hangs on their partners or
> grasps them tightly (and painfully) for support.  If repeated intervention
> from the organizers cannot help, I would suggest that person be invited to
> be formal door sitter/greeter and perhaps dance with only a select few
> folks who understand and are willing to modify the dance for the individual
> and give them the support they need.
>
> Donna Hunt
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yoyo Zhou via Callers <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> To: Mark Hillegonds <mark.hillegonds at gmail.com>
> Cc: Caller's discussion list <callers at sharedweight.net>
> Sent: Wed, Mar 8, 2017 4:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Difficult dancers - Decision to ask not to return
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Mark Hillegonds via Callers <
> callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> So...what happens if all of the attempts to shepherd and coach and "angel"
> the difficult dancer do not work and their skills and abilities continue to
> be a significant negative impact when they're dancing.
>
> Would you ever (or have you ever) asked someone not to return based on
> their inability to dance?
>
> I realize "inability" is a broad term and I intended it to be so for this
> question. There are lots of reasons why someone may not be able to know
> what to do and/or to be able to keep up when dancing and may not even be
> able to improve.
>
> Is there some point at which you as organizers would consider and
> ultimately such a decision?
>
>
> Here in the SF Bay Area, I know of one dancer who's no longer welcome back
> at their local dance because of mobility issues related to aging, and
> another who's no longer welcome back because of general behavioral issues
> related to Alzheimer's.
>
> As far as I know, these dancers have simply been informed that their
> impairments preclude them from dancing with us. (This is different from
> being banned for bad behavior - they can still come but would be
> discouraged from dancing. By whom, I do not know.) I wasn't involved with
> the discussions that led to these decisions, so unfortunately I can't
> provide more background, but perhaps other people lurking on this list may
> be able to shed more light.
>
> However, we have increased our attention on dancer safety in general, and
> it's worth thinking about whether someone's inability to dance actually
> affects how safe it is on the floor for them and others around them.
>
> Yoyo Zhou
>
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