[Callers] 4 person do-si-do
Richard Hopkins via Callers
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Tue Dec 1 13:37:12 PST 2015
In southern-style square dancing, there are several variations on a figure which is often called “dosido” for two couples, and they are nothing like what Luke is imagining. They go by names like Georgia Rangtang, Georgy-Alabam, Do-si, Dosido and (I think) in MWSD a version of it is called Do Paso. That’s not to say that the figure you are describing isn’t a good one for your dance; it’s just another reason to avoid calling it a dosido.
Richard
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> 1. Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance (Aahz via Callers)
> 2. Re: Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance (Aahz via Callers)
> 3. 4 person do-si-do? (Luke Donforth via Callers)
> 4. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Tom Hinds via Callers)
> 5. Re: Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
> (Aahz Maruch via Callers)
> 6. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Aahz Maruch via Callers)
> 7. Re: Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
> (Bill Olson via Callers)
> 8. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Hilton Baxter via Callers)
> 9. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Rich Sbardella via Callers)
> 10. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Don Veino via Callers)
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> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:27:22 -0800
> From: Aahz via Callers <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> To: callers at lists.sharedweight.net
> Subject: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
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> Howdy,
>
> I've been asked to run a barn dance Saturday Jan 16, 9pm-11pm, but I'm
> busy. The dance will be part of the Western Regional Outdoor Leadership
> Conference:
>
> http://outdoored.stanford.edu/center/wrolc-2016/
>
> If you don't know where Stanford is, you're probably coming from too far
> away to make sense. ;-)
>
> There will be 100+ college students. The theme for this year's
> conference is "diversity", and they would prefer a caller who can fit the
> theme in addition to having experience with one-night-stand environments.
>
> I've offered to be a filter so that they don't need to deal with the
> responses, so please respond privately to me if you're interested and
> available. I've already explained that booking will be somewhat
> difficult both because of the relatively short notice and because it's
> Ralph Page weekend.
>
> I probably will also be sending out an e-mail blast to people I have
> addresses for, apologies if you get this twice. They have already
> contacted other callers so you may actually get three copies...
> --
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> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:10:45 -0800
> From: Aahz via Callers <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> To: callers at lists.sharedweight.net
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
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> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015, Aahz via Callers wrote:
>>
>> I've been asked to run a barn dance Saturday Jan 16, 9pm-11pm, but I'm
>> busy. The dance will be part of the Western Regional Outdoor Leadership
>> Conference:
>>
>> http://outdoored.stanford.edu/center/wrolc-2016/
>>
>> If you don't know where Stanford is, you're probably coming from too far
>> away to make sense. ;-)
>
> Someone pointed out that I should at least have mentioned that this is
> California.
>
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> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 05:45:27 -0500
> From: Luke Donforth via Callers <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> To: "Callers at Lists.Sharedweight.net" <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> Subject: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do?
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> It's 5 am, and I find myself awake and writing dances; specifically 4x4s.
> Unfortunately, I don't have 8 dancers waiting on my insomnia to test
> things, so I figured I'd send them to shared weight...
>
> Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square
> dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person
> do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of:
>
> Doubled-si-do
> Four Facing Four
>
> A1 -----------
> (4) Give and Gents take (up and down)
> (12) Neighbor swing
> A2 -----------
> (8) Women's Chain back to partner (up and down), turn to face in
> (8) All four Women Do-si-do 1x
> B1 -----------
> (8) All four Men Do-si-do 1x
> (8) All eight Circle Left 1/2x
> B2 -----------
> (16) Partner balance and swing
> End facing line of direction
>
> In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but
> not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have
> less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the
> chain.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thank you
>
> --
> Luke Donforth
> Luke.Donforth at gmail.com <Luke.Donev at gmail.com>
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> From: Tom Hinds via Callers <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> To: Luke Donforth <luke.donev at gmail.com>
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> Luke,
>
> There have been times when I've tried new ideas and the dancers
> figured out an easier way. Or said differently they saw through the
> complexity and thought it was not worth the effort. I'm not saying
> this is true for your dance but it's something to be prepared for.
>
> In terms of timing I'd guess that the 4 person do-si-do is going to
> take more than 8 beats.
>
> Tom
>
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> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:10:56 -0800
> From: Aahz Maruch via Callers <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> To: callers at lists.sharedweight.net
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
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> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015, Aahz via Callers wrote:
>>
>> I've offered to be a filter so that they don't need to deal with the
>> responses, so please respond privately to me if you're interested and
>> available. I've already explained that booking will be somewhat
>> difficult both because of the relatively short notice and because it's
>> Ralph Page weekend.
>
> Thanks to the several people who told me about Contra Carnivale, that's
> proof I'm currently out of the loop on the contra side. ;-)
> --
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> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:22:40 -0800
> From: Aahz Maruch via Callers <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> To: callers at lists.sharedweight.net
> Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do?
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> On Tue, Dec 01, 2015, Luke Donforth via Callers wrote:
>>
>> Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square
>> dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person
>> do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of:
>
> In the normal duple improper formation, a four-person do-si-do is called
> zigzag, there are lots of dances with that. But that's not what you're
> doing here.
>
>> In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but
>> not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have
>> less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the
>> chain.
>
>> From my POV, that's a four-person gypsy. Or maybe the square dance
> equivalent would be promenade inside the ring. The key element of
> do-si-do is facing the same direction during the movement (modulo the
> contra variant of a spinning do-si-do or square dancing's highland fling)
> and ending up facing the same direction at the end.
>
> I recently saw a square dance caller struggle with explaining Walk Around
> the Corner (which is square dancing's equivalent of gypsy) and See Saw,
> failing to mention either of the "easy" ways of getting across the
> concept:
>
> * keep your shoulder toward the person you're walking around
>
> * exactly the same thing as an armless allemande
>
> Anyway, there are probably several ways to call what you want, but I
> think that do-si-do ain't one of them. ;-)
> --
> Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/
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> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:04:53 +0000
> From: Bill Olson via Callers <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> To: Aahz <caller at aahz.ws>, "callers at lists.sharedweight.net"
> <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
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> I think most people figured that one out! Go Cardinals!! Win PAC 12 title!
>
>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:10:45 -0800
>> To: callers at lists.sharedweight.net
>> Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance
>> From: callers at lists.sharedweight.net
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015, Aahz via Callers wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been asked to run a barn dance Saturday Jan 16, 9pm-11pm, but I'm
>>> busy. The dance will be part of the Western Regional Outdoor Leadership
>>> Conference:
>>>
>>> http://outdoored.stanford.edu/center/wrolc-2016/
>>>
>>> If you don't know where Stanford is, you're probably coming from too far
>>> away to make sense. ;-)
>>
>> Someone pointed out that I should at least have mentioned that this is
>> California.
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> From: Hilton Baxter via Callers <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do?
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> I wrote a dance with a 4 person do-si-do and have called it a few times.
> Whoever has to travel from the far corners will need an extra couple of
> beats, so it's good to have a "soft" figure after the do-si-do for 4, so
> the folks arrive late (men, in your dance, Luke) can catch up somewhat
> gracefully.
>
> As for treating it as a gypsy for 4, in my dance people liked going
> forward and then twirling away to the right and back to place. This was
> probably because it gave some ccw movement to contrast cw turns
> elsewhere in the dance. To teach the figure, I've had dancers do a RH
> star "but just pretend to touch" then walk through with twirls over L
> shoulder.
>
> Hilton Baxter
>
>
>
> On 12/1/15 10:22 AM, Aahz Maruch via Callers wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 01, 2015, Luke Donforth via Callers wrote:
>>> Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square
>>> dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person
>>> do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of:
>> In the normal duple improper formation, a four-person do-si-do is called
>> zigzag, there are lots of dances with that. But that's not what you're
>> doing here.
>>
>>> In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but
>>> not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have
>>> less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the
>>> chain.
>> From my POV, that's a four-person gypsy. Or maybe the square dance
>> equivalent would be promenade inside the ring. The key element of
>> do-si-do is facing the same direction during the movement (modulo the
>> contra variant of a spinning do-si-do or square dancing's highland fling)
>> and ending up facing the same direction at the end.
>>
>> I recently saw a square dance caller struggle with explaining Walk Around
>> the Corner (which is square dancing's equivalent of gypsy) and See Saw,
>> failing to mention either of the "easy" ways of getting across the
>> concept:
>>
>> * keep your shoulder toward the person you're walking around
>>
>> * exactly the same thing as an armless allemande
>>
>> Anyway, there are probably several ways to call what you want, but I
>> think that do-si-do ain't one of them. ;-)
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:08:28 -0500
> From: Rich Sbardella via Callers <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> To: Luke Donforth <luke.donev at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Callers at Lists.Sharedweight.net" <callers at lists.sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do?
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> Luke,
>
> In modern square dance a left hand star without hands is simply called
> promenade inside. By definition a right hand star w/o hands would be a
> reverse promenade inside. Both would take 8 beats/steps to accomplish in a
> square, and probably close to eight beats in a mescolanza.
>
> I do not quite understand your comment about the women, as they will all
> have to adjust there walk around to accomodate for the last women into the
> "handless star" or promenade.
>
> Unless I am misunderstanding your concept, this does not resemble a dosido
> in any fashion, and I believe using that term might muddy the use of Dosido
> and As Couples Dosido.
>
> Rich Sbardella
> Stafford, CT
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Luke Donforth via Callers <
> callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> It's 5 am, and I find myself awake and writing dances; specifically 4x4s.
>> Unfortunately, I don't have 8 dancers waiting on my insomnia to test
>> things, so I figured I'd send them to shared weight...
>>
>> Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square
>> dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person
>> do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of:
>>
>> Doubled-si-do
>> Four Facing Four
>>
>> A1 -----------
>> (4) Give and Gents take (up and down)
>> (12) Neighbor swing
>> A2 -----------
>> (8) Women's Chain back to partner (up and down), turn to face in
>> (8) All four Women Do-si-do 1x
>> B1 -----------
>> (8) All four Men Do-si-do 1x
>> (8) All eight Circle Left 1/2x
>> B2 -----------
>> (16) Partner balance and swing
>> End facing line of direction
>>
>> In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but
>> not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have
>> less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the
>> chain.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> --
>> Luke Donforth
>> Luke.Donforth at gmail.com <Luke.Donev at gmail.com>
>>
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> With respect to Tom's prior comment about dancers substituting the simplest
> interpretation sometimes, I think this dance could have that apply.
>
> Up through the A2 Ladies Chain you are in lines of four facing
> configuration (as opposed to square). If the Dosidos happen in two groups
> of 2 (parallel traditional Dosidos) up and down then that formation is
> maintained, timing is proven and the Circle entry still has the same
> inertia.
>
> -Don
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Luke Donforth via Callers <
> callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> It's 5 am, and I find myself awake and writing dances; specifically 4x4s.
>> Unfortunately, I don't have 8 dancers waiting on my insomnia to test
>> things, so I figured I'd send them to shared weight...
>>
>> Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square
>> dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person
>> do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of:
>>
>> Doubled-si-do
>> Four Facing Four
>>
>> A1 -----------
>> (4) Give and Gents take (up and down)
>> (12) Neighbor swing
>> A2 -----------
>> (8) Women's Chain back to partner (up and down), turn to face in
>> (8) All four Women Do-si-do 1x
>> B1 -----------
>> (8) All four Men Do-si-do 1x
>> (8) All eight Circle Left 1/2x
>> B2 -----------
>> (16) Partner balance and swing
>> End facing line of direction
>>
>> In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but
>> not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have
>> less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the
>> chain.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> --
>> Luke Donforth
>> Luke.Donforth at gmail.com <Luke.Donev at gmail.com>
>>
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