Following your suggestion, I have posted a question to the owner of the YouTube video. I have also emailed Colonial Williamsburg (via the "Contact Us") asking about the dance. Both are long shots, but we shall see if anything comes of either. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Winston winston(a)slac.stanford.edu [trad-dance-callers]" <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> To: trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Need Help in Indentifying a Dance and Tune Tom -- That's really interesting! This is clearly either a new composition or a fix-up of a triple-minor into a three-couple set. The announcer sure sounds to me like he's saying "The Pilgrim". There's a well-known early-1700s playford dance-tune-combo called "The Pilgrim". http://www.izaak.unh.edu/nhltmd/indexes/dancingmaster/Dance/Play4291.htm (This was reconstructed by Bernard Bentley, published in the Fallibroome Collection, had the date 1721 attached to it at that time (which is what then shows up on online in ball notes, etc, but according to Bob Keller's index, referenced above, the dance with the same figures appears first "The Pillgrim" in 1703 and on through 1728, and a quick eyeball at the link above shows that Bentley's reconstruction isn't fanciful.) Here's a video of modern ECD dancers dancing Bentley's version. http://dancevideos.childgrove.org/ecd/playford/202-the-pilgrim Those don't sound like the same tune to me. This is: A1: 1-2: M1 cast to 2nd place, M2 moving up 3-4: M1 and W3 set 5-8: M1 and W3 crossed-arm allemande 1x A2: as above with W1 leading B1: bottom two couples face neighbor, top couple faces partner, start complete grand chain/rights and lefts around ring back to this place B2: 1-2: 1s in middle place move to the top (chassee sideways, walk, whatever) 3-4: 1s improvise something (setting, turn under, patty case) 5-8: 1s move to bottom as 3s move up to fill in. So the figures are not wildly outre for stuff you'll find in period sources [although my impression is that there's way more eight-count setting than four-count setting in period sources] ,and I presume the improv of B2 is added to make the performance more interesting, and the tune sounds perfectly reasonable to my inexpert ears, but I have no idea what it is or where it's from. It seems like a fun dance and handy to have a three-couple with a figure that involves everybody and isn't either another circle (*yawn*) or a mirror hey. Which is a very long way of saying "don't know, let us know if you find out anything". Have you considered writing a comment on the youtube video asking the poster for a source? I see the poster responded to an earlier comment. -- Alan On 11/22/15 12:14 PM, Tom Willson tjwill3(a)sbcglobal.net [trad-dance-callers] wrote: ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ The Traditional Dance Callers List: Subscribe by sending a blank e-mail message (no subject, no message) to: trad-dance-callers-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links