1 Feb
2016
1 Feb
'16
4:42 a.m.
Hullo All,
I've been enjoying the "auto pilot" thread.
I loved Bob's "(Of course everybody knows this dance)" which I had to
grin at. I don't. Now I'll look for it now as it appears to be a
standard, somewhere.
The picture here -- Aside from Cumberland Square Eight and some dances
which occur in the ECD evenings in my "village" and area (like La Russe,
Heidenroslein, and Newcastle), I've yet to break into calling squares. I
have/had an opportunity to step into a MWSD callers workshop series,
however while challenging, it doesn't seem a fit to my interests or
needs. (I'm not in a club, and will likely not have an opportunity to
call in that form.)
Why am I interested? These trad./named dances exist, they're fun, and
few call them in these parts. I'd like to include them in
evenings/events that welcome them, and there is a geographically
near-enough monthly series of traditional square dances where a few
folks know how/what to call that I've been asked to participate in.
Any tips or suggestions of how to begin calling such dances, what
technique to learn first, and perhaps which basic dances go over well?
As I dance or call/lead a variety of dances/dance forms I'd suspect
formations or whole set dances aren't the issue. I suppose basic points
on comparisons of similarity or major differences to barn/community,
eCeilidh, ECD, SCD, "ACD" (Contra), Scottish ceilidh, etc. might be a
quick path to understanding, relaxing with this.
Thank you for any suggestions.
Cheers, John
--
J.D. Erskine
Victoria, BC
1 Feb
1 Feb
5:30 a.m.
Call what you know. Whatever square dance YOU know (regardless of whether
the dancers know it) will be one you can teach, and one you can help
dancers figure out as you call it. Do something relatively simple - and use
a very simple break figure. Even circle left, right, into center and back
for the break is fine. If you are used to calling contra dances, then you
might start with a New England style square, since it is timed just like a
contra dance and repeats in the same way (the same moves go with the same
music - but the dance is usually more than one time through the tune.) I
don't call any of those so I'll leave that to others to explain.
If you're accustomed to dances that just go to beats of music and not
phrases - like MWSD for example - then you might be comfortable calling a
southern-style square dance. Those can be done in sets of four couples or
in large circles. When done in a large circle, the pattern is "do something
with the entire circle - break into sets of four and do the figure - do
that again with another set of four - and again - and again.... - end with
the big set again. (Note: this is NOT a "KY running set" - The so-called
"running set" is a four-couple dance.) In a four-couple southern square,
the pattern is break-fig-break-fig-break-fig-break-fig-break, with each
couple leading the figure once.
The best way to figure out what you want to call is to figure out what you
want to dance, I think. What's standard one place is new to other folks, so
I can't guess what would be standard where you are... but that would be a
good choice!
Nancy
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:44 PM JD Erskine island.dance(a)shaw.ca
[trad-dance-callers] <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hullo All,
I've been enjoying the "auto pilot" thread.
I loved Bob's "(Of course everybody knows this dance)" which I had to
grin at. I don't. Now I'll look for it now as it appears to be a
standard, somewhere.
The picture here -- Aside from Cumberland Square Eight and some dances
which occur in the ECD evenings in my "village" and area (like La Russe,
Heidenroslein, and Newcastle), I've yet to break into calling squares. I
have/had an opportunity to step into a MWSD callers workshop series,
however while challenging, it doesn't seem a fit to my interests or
needs. (I'm not in a club, and will likely not have an opportunity to
call in that form.)
Why am I interested? These trad./named dances exist, they're fun, and
few call them in these parts. I'd like to include them in
evenings/events that welcome them, and there is a geographically
near-enough monthly series of traditional square dances where a few
folks know how/what to call that I've been asked to participate in.
Any tips or suggestions of how to begin calling such dances, what
technique to learn first, and perhaps which basic dances go over well?
As I dance or call/lead a variety of dances/dance forms I'd suspect
formations or whole set dances aren't the issue. I suppose basic points
on comparisons of similarity or major differences to barn/community,
eCeilidh, ECD, SCD, "ACD" (Contra), Scottish ceilidh, etc. might be a
quick path to understanding, relaxing with this.
Thank you for any suggestions.
Cheers, John
--
J.D. Erskine
Victoria, BC
--
*Nancy Mamlin*
*Durham, NC*
2:29 p.m.
John,
I applaud you for taking an interest in calling squares. The type/
particular square that you should call depends on the situation.
For newish dancers I like a very simple visiting couple square like
couple one bow and swing, visit couple 2 circle left, visit couple 3
circle left etc.
First night Quadrille is a good one to do with many different groups.
But before calling your first square I suggest you do a significant
amount of work so that you're prepared. Better to be over prepared
than under. There's much more you need to know when calling a square
when compared to calling a contra.
CDSS carries a large number of books, recordings and other resources
that will interest you. Bob Dalsemer published a book on calling NE
Quadrilles and I have one on Calling NE Squares.
Your library may have some books that contain some useful information
and material. I've gotten tons of dances from various libraries.
There must be tons of square dances on youtube.
If you have the time, take some beginning lessons that the MWSD folks
offer and steal every routine and combination that you can. Just
visit once and you'll learn tons. You won't benefit from the classes
latter in the year because of the difficulty level but the early
lessons (not the very first couple) will give you a good background.
When you go dancing carry a recorder with you and record others with
their permission of course.
The technique that you want to develop if you haven't already is to
go cardless AND watch the dancers very carefully. When you call a
contra or ECD, notice who's paired with who and follow them while
they dance. You still need to watch everyone else so alternate
between your main couple and the crowd. This skill will pay off when
calling a square and in my opinion is a requirement. Watching the
dancers in this way is incredibly easy to do but at the same time
impossible! You have to remember to do it while performing all of
the other things that callers need to do. More juggling!!!!
Tom
3:30 p.m.
Hi John,
The very first square I ever called was "First Night Quadrille" for a
monthly contra dance.
For a crowd with mostly new dancers or inexperienced with squares crowd I
like to use ³A simple Square² or ³Sheehans Reel². They are lots of fun.
All of these are in the New England Dancing Masters books.
When I call squares for a regular contra dance these days, I like to do
southern style squares, for a variety of reasons, I like them better.
I started out calling contras back in 1998, but these days, I¹m am mostly
calling modern western squares on a weekly basis.
When practicing the squares, practice the walk thru just as much as you
practice actually calling it and the delivery of the calls.
When practicing the walk thru, walk it as one of the dancers and walk it for
each of the different dancers so you can feel it.
When you call it, visualize the movement of the dancers and follow a single
dancer in your head, for example, the number 1 man.
You will want to learn to remember his partner and it¹s helpful to know his
corner too.
Practice until it all flows naturally and sounds natural too, not memorized
like a robot.
I can¹t agree more and stress enough what Tom said about learning to watch a
key couple now, as you call contras/ECD. Make that a priority. It is vital
to calling squares. It is a skill that I am still working on, a skill that
is one of my big weaknesses, after all these years.
Eva
From: <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> on behalf of "Tom Hinds
twhinds(a)earthlink.net [trad-dance-callers]"
<trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:29 AM
To: <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Request starter squares ("Of course
everybody knows this dance")
John,
I applaud you for taking an interest in calling squares. The type/
particular square that you should call depends on the situation.
For newish dancers I like a very simple visiting couple square like
couple one bow and swing, visit couple 2 circle left, visit couple 3
circle left etc.
First night Quadrille is a good one to do with many different groups.
But before calling your first square I suggest you do a significant
amount of work so that you're prepared. Better to be over prepared
than under. There's much more you need to know when calling a square
when compared to calling a contra.
CDSS carries a large number of books, recordings and other resources
that will interest you. Bob Dalsemer published a book on calling NE
Quadrilles and I have one on Calling NE Squares.
Your library may have some books that contain some useful information
and material. I've gotten tons of dances from various libraries.
There must be tons of square dances on youtube.
If you have the time, take some beginning lessons that the MWSD folks
offer and steal every routine and combination that you can. Just
visit once and you'll learn tons. You won't benefit from the classes
latter in the year because of the difficulty level but the early
lessons (not the very first couple) will give you a good background.
When you go dancing carry a recorder with you and record others with
their permission of course.
The technique that you want to develop if you haven't already is to
go cardless AND watch the dancers very carefully. When you call a
contra or ECD, notice who's paired with who and follow them while
they dance. You still need to watch everyone else so alternate
between your main couple and the crowd. This skill will pay off when
calling a square and in my opinion is a requirement. Watching the
dancers in this way is incredibly easy to do but at the same time
impossible! You have to remember to do it while performing all of
the other things that callers need to do. More juggling!!!!
Tom
4:13 p.m.
This website below is so valuable as you learn to call squares.
SquareDanceHistory.org
Rich
Stafford, CT
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Tom Hinds twhinds(a)earthlink.net
[trad-dance-callers] <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
John,
I applaud you for taking an interest in calling squares. The type/
particular square that you should call depends on the situation.
For newish dancers I like a very simple visiting couple square like
couple one bow and swing, visit couple 2 circle left, visit couple 3
circle left etc.
First night Quadrille is a good one to do with many different groups.
But before calling your first square I suggest you do a significant
amount of work so that you're prepared. Better to be over prepared
than under. There's much more you need to know when calling a square
when compared to calling a contra.
CDSS carries a large number of books, recordings and other resources
that will interest you. Bob Dalsemer published a book on calling NE
Quadrilles and I have one on Calling NE Squares.
Your library may have some books that contain some useful information
and material. I've gotten tons of dances from various libraries.
There must be tons of square dances on youtube.
If you have the time, take some beginning lessons that the MWSD folks
offer and steal every routine and combination that you can. Just
visit once and you'll learn tons. You won't benefit from the classes
latter in the year because of the difficulty level but the early
lessons (not the very first couple) will give you a good background.
When you go dancing carry a recorder with you and record others with
their permission of course.
The technique that you want to develop if you haven't already is to
go cardless AND watch the dancers very carefully. When you call a
contra or ECD, notice who's paired with who and follow them while
they dance. You still need to watch everyone else so alternate
between your main couple and the crowd. This skill will pay off when
calling a square and in my opinion is a requirement. Watching the
dancers in this way is incredibly easy to do but at the same time
impossible! You have to remember to do it while performing all of
the other things that callers need to do. More juggling!!!!
Tom
8:43 p.m.
Several mentions of "First Night Quadrille" inspired me to look it up.
Squares by Bob Dalsemer http://www.bobdalsemer.com/Bob_Dalsemers_Web_Pages/Squares.html
Squares by Bob Dalsemer http://www.bobdalsemer.com/Bob_Dalsemers_Web_Pages/Squares.html
Ashley's Star A1: Allemande right partner 1 and 1/2, hold on, give left to the next to
form a wavy circle with men facing out (8); balance (4), allemande left person on left
once around (4)
View on www.bobdalsemer.com
http://www.bobdalsemer.com/Bob_Dalsemers_Web_Pages/Squares.html
Preview by Yahoo
Squares are more forgiving for both the dancers and the caller. If things aren't going
optimally, you can have them locate the partner du jour, swing, promenade home, and then
just have them do various figures that "close." Ladies chain over & back.
Circle, star, etc.
Also, you aren't locked into the musical phrasing. Precision dancing on the beat is
great, but sometimes it doesn't work. Just add a couple folks with mobility
challenges, height differentials, or self-esteem stuff, and they'll be well into the
next measure of music. (I enjoyed a dance the other night where several new dancers were
not comfortable standing *next to their partners, let alone holding hands.)
Think of a square as a combination of figures and breaks (choruses), and these can vary in
complexity. You can do the same chorus all night, thereby providing a sense of
accomplishment to everyone. If you do the same figures, they will notice.
Work up to a grand square chorus. It's not simple to teach, and most dancers won't
"get it" on the first time they try it. (Memo to self: next time I do a dance
society event...)
If you have an odd number of dancers, say, a round multiple of 8 plus six or seven more,
limit the number of squares. If you have a hundred people, go for it. I might do a tip of
two in a row followed by several other dances that are very different.
If you do onezies, be prepared for lots of instruction on how to "square your
set." If they have trouble with the concept of eight dancers, or four couples,
standing next to their partner and facing (into the middle) one of the four walls in the
room, you might want to ditch the tightly-phrased singing call.
Report back!
--Karen D.
2 Feb
2 Feb
7:58 p.m.
I usually ask them to make a circle of 4 couples, with partner by their side, then edge it
into a square.
Mo Waddington
http://mo-dance-caller.blogspot.co.uk/p/what-i-do.html
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From: karendunnam(a)gmail.com [trad-dance-callers]
To: trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 8:43 PM
Subject: [trad-dance-callers] Re: Request starter squares ("Of course everybody
knows this dance")
Several mentions of "First Night Quadrille" inspired me to look it up.
If you do onezies, be prepared for lots of instruction on how to "square your
set." --Karen D.
2:11 a.m.
John,
I say everybody knows this dance because back when the square dance (including contra
chestnuts) was part of the New England fabric and cultureand Ralph Page was known as a
singing caller, certain figures became associated with certain melodies (Americana)
Perhaps the availability of
dance recordings helped. So folks knew Dip and Dive was Red Wing, Just Because was Ladies
Chains and Golden Slippers had a cutaway figure.
It's been noted that My Little Girl was a sensation when it came out.
First Couple Promenade around the outside - around the outside of the ring.Head Ladies
Chain right down the Center - and you Chain them back againYou Chain to the Right with the
Right Hand Couple - and you Chain them back againYou Chain to the Left with the Left Hand
Couple - and you Chain back home again
Dosado with the Corner Girl, Dosado go 'round Your Own - go back and Swing your Corner
round
Runaway Home and Swing your Darlin' - She's the sweetest girl in town.
Allemande Left with the ole left hand - Partner Right with a Right and Left Grand - go all
the way go 'round
It's all the way go 'round, you are homeward bound - to the... 2ND COUPLE TAKE A
WALK.. don't stop at home...round the outside...---
The routine or route of the dance is simple and there is no partner change - a single
couple goes round the outside as they may do to any music.
when they separate from each other or promenade together.. Then a little something at home
and a finish using up a couple of phrases (or more) to go once around the set. It
doesn't have to be Grand Rights and Lefts and it doesn't have to be Ladies
Chains.For those who dance once a year dancers its Promenade once around - just some
Forward & Backs or Dosadoes, etc at home and a Promenade.
Modify it but the music is great!
But for the dancers who dance this regularly in New England it's set in stone as
above and on the old 78s.
The break may vary on record and in books I've seen, but this one I've typed here
allows no recovery or stopping at home. The figure flows.Two Dosados in one phrase
starting with left shoulders around the Corner and one large circle (not a figure 8)
around the Partner -
back to a Corner Swing
It's the way I picked it up in Heath, MA (1st & 3rd Saturdays into the late
'90s) and I still have Heath dancers.
Bob LivingstonMiddletown, CT
From: "JD Erskine island.dance(a)shaw.ca [trad-dance-callers]"
<trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
To: Trad Dance Callers <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:42 PM
Subject: [trad-dance-callers] Request starter squares ("Of course everybody knows
this dance")
Hullo All,
I've been enjoying the "auto pilot" thread.
I loved Bob's "(Of course everybody knows this dance)" which I had to
grin at. I don't. Now I'll look for it now as it appears to be a
standard, somewhere.
The picture here -- Aside from Cumberland Square Eight and some dances
which occur in the ECD evenings in my "village" and area (like La Russe,
Heidenroslein, and Newcastle), I've yet to break into calling squares. I
have/had an opportunity to step into a MWSD callers workshop series,
however while challenging, it doesn't seem a fit to my interests or
needs. (I'm not in a club, and will likely not have an opportunity to
call in that form.)
Why am I interested? These trad./named dances exist, they're fun, and
few call them in these parts. I'd like to include them in
evenings/events that welcome them, and there is a geographically
near-enough monthly series of traditional square dances where a few
folks know how/what to call that I've been asked to participate in.
Any tips or suggestions of how to begin calling such dances, what
technique to learn first, and perhaps which basic dances go over well?
As I dance or call/lead a variety of dances/dance forms I'd suspect
formations or whole set dances aren't the issue. I suppose basic points
on comparisons of similarity or major differences to barn/community,
eCeilidh, ECD, SCD, "ACD" (Contra), Scottish ceilidh, etc. might be a
quick path to understanding, relaxing with this.
Thank you for any suggestions.
Cheers, John
--
J.D. Erskine
Victoria, BC
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3:45 a.m.
For anyone interested -
Here are three versions of My Little Girl (one audio version & two videos)
(all thanks to David Millstone's Square Dance History Project):
Audio clip of Ed Gilmore, 1954
http://squaredancehistory.org/items/show/1345
Gene Ward, 1990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_nDUHIfga0
Tony Parkes, 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2RctH-_Snc
Patricia Campbell
Newtown, CT
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Robert Livingston rlivngstn(a)yahoo.com
[trad-dance-callers] <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
John,
I say everybody knows this dance because back when the square dance
(including contra chestnuts) was part of the New England fabric and culture
and Ralph Page was known as a singing caller, certain figures became
associated with certain melodies (Americana) Perhaps the availability of
dance recordings helped. So folks knew Dip and Dive was Red Wing, Just
Because was Ladies Chains and Golden Slippers had a cutaway figure.
It's been noted that My Little Girl was a sensation when it came out.
First Couple *Promenade* around the outside - around the outside of the
ring.
Head Ladies *Chain* right down the* Center* - and you *Chain* them *back*
again
You *Chain* to the *Right* with the Right Hand Couple - and you *Chain*
them *back* again
You *Chain* to the *Left *with the Left Hand Couple - and you *Chain back*
home again
*Dosado* with the *Corner Girl*, *Dosado* go 'round *Your Own* - go back
and *Swing* your *Corner* round
Runaway Home and *Swing* your *Darlin' - *She's the sweetest girl in town.
*Allemande Left *with the ole left hand - *Partner* Right with a *Right
and Left Grand* - go all the way go 'round
It's all the way go 'round, you are homeward bound - to the... 2ND COUPLE
TAKE A WALK.. don't stop at home...round the outside...
---
The routine or route of the dance is simple and there is no partner change
- a single couple goes round the outside as they may do to any music.
when they separate from each other or promenade together.. Then a little
something at home and a finish using up a couple of phrases (or more)
to go once around the set. It doesn't have to be Grand Rights and Lefts
and it doesn't have to be Ladies Chains.
For those who dance once a year dancers its Promenade once around - just
some Forward & Backs or Dosadoes, etc at home and a Promenade.
Modify it but the music is great!
But for the dancers who dance this regularly in New England it's set in
stone as above and on the old 78s.
The break may vary on record and in books I've seen, but this one I've
typed here allows no recovery or stopping at home. The figure flows.
Two Dosados in one phrase starting with left shoulders around the Corner
and one large circle (not a figure 8) around the Partner -
back to a Corner Swing
It's the way I picked it up in Heath, MA (1st & 3rd Saturdays into the
late '90s) and I still have Heath dancers.
Bob Livingston
Middletown, CT
4:47 a.m.
Tony's call is good. Gene Ward really nails it with the tempo. The older dancers,
when inactive, would hold inside hands, turn towards each otherand bow to the active
couple as they promenaded behind them.Ed Gilmore's version is moving into MWSD
territory. Two couples promenading is more just doing figures rather than letting one
couple shineand be honored as they step out.
Can't say enough good things about the Square Dance History Project. Bob
Livingston Middletown, CT
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Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Request starter squares ("Of course everybody
knows this dance")
For anyone interested -
Here are three versions of My Little Girl (one audio version & two videos) (all thanks
to David Millstone's Square Dance History Project):
Audio clip of Ed Gilmore, 1954http://squaredancehistory.org/items/show/1345
Gene Ward, 1990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_nDUHIfga0
Tony Parkes, 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2RctH-_Snc
Patricia CampbellNewtown, CT
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Robert Livingston rlivngstn(a)yahoo.com [trad-dance-callers]
<trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
John,
I say everybody knows this dance because back when the square dance (including contra
chestnuts) was part of the New England fabric and cultureand Ralph Page was known as a
singing caller, certain figures became associated with certain melodies (Americana)
Perhaps the availability of
dance recordings helped. So folks knew Dip and Dive was Red Wing, Just Because was Ladies
Chains and Golden Slippers had a cutaway figure.
It's been noted that My Little Girl was a sensation when it came out.
First Couple Promenade around the outside - around the outside of the ring.Head Ladies
Chain right down the Center - and you Chain them back againYou Chain to the Right with the
Right Hand Couple - and you Chain them back againYou Chain to the Left with the Left Hand
Couple - and you Chain back home again
Dosado with the Corner Girl, Dosado go 'round Your Own - go back and Swing your Corner
round
Runaway Home and Swing your Darlin' - She's the sweetest girl in town.
Allemande Left with the ole left hand - Partner Right with a Right and Left Grand - go all
the way go 'round
It's all the way go 'round, you are homeward bound - to the... 2ND COUPLE TAKE A
WALK.. don't stop at home...round the outside...---
The routine or route of the dance is simple and there is no partner change - a single
couple goes round the outside as they may do to any music.
when they separate from each other or promenade together.. Then a little something at home
and a finish using up a couple of phrases (or more) to go once around the set. It
doesn't have to be Grand Rights and Lefts and it doesn't have to be Ladies
Chains.For those who dance once a year dancers its Promenade once around - just some
Forward & Backs or Dosadoes, etc at home and a Promenade.
Modify it but the music is great!
But for the dancers who dance this regularly in New England it's set in stone as
above and on the old 78s.
The break may vary on record and in books I've seen, but this one I've typed here
allows no recovery or stopping at home. The figure flows.Two Dosados in one phrase
starting with left shoulders around the Corner and one large circle (not a figure 8)
around the Partner -
back to a Corner Swing
It's the way I picked it up in Heath, MA (1st & 3rd Saturdays into the late
'90s) and I still have Heath dancers.
Bob LivingstonMiddletown, CT
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4:10 p.m.
Bob,
I agree with your assessment on all points.
I might still have an audio recording of most of an evening program of Gene’s from back in
the mid 80s. My old band played for part of his dance at the Webberville, MI fire hall. I
also applaud the work of those who organized the Square Dance History Project.
John B. Freeman
5 Feb
5 Feb
8:15 p.m.
Thank you all so much.
Without a forensic review of your contributions (as I write), I
appreciated the:
encouragement to take these on, expressions of fun folks find calling
these dances and the inclusion of them in a program, the chorus/figure
relationship analogy, comments on choice of phrased or unphrased (and
the inherent flexibility allowed, by either I suppose), styles of music,
specific dance names/examples, direct offers of assistance, and more.
I've looked up some of the dances and have had a start on mapping them.
Dancing Morris I'm familiar with the Chorus / Figure pattern. Calling
ONS I'm now pretty familiar with unphrased. <grin> I've visited the Sq.
Dance History project before, however will look at it in new light.
I'll also be combing future and previous posts for ideas on the subject.
Questions along the way to follow.
Much appreciated.
Cheers, John
--
J.D. Erskine
Victoria, BC
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