There had been ballet, minuet, mazurka, and others before. But the kind of house or barn raising event (barn dance) where neighbors came together and cut up was just called dancing. The term square dance was descriptive of a category of all the group dances done in four sided formations such as cotillion, quadrille, lancers, and southern big set. The term SD appears in the 1840s when play party games were done by the young. It came into widespread usage by the 1870s when there was a famous race horse by that name. Rhyming patter calling was in place by the 1890s. Tony, maybe what you seek is something to describe the social nature rather than the formation. To me it will always be for amusement, never serious. It is social, as at a wedding reception. It is simple enough that experience is not a handicap. Access means for the disabled, though. It has been around forever and always will be. A new organizer boasted once that they were going to do the square dance better than it had ever been done. No idea what they were intending. But I think that's where the train goes off track. I want to do it as well as it was ever done! Fred Feild, no longer living in your area -------- Original message -------- From: "Tee Huffaker tee.huffaker(a)gmail.com [trad-dance-callers]" &lt;trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com&gt; Date: 08/11/2016 1:10 PM (GMT-06:00) To: trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Re: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name? So what does one who wants to dance at these events look for? Well - I look for words like fun first, high energy, old-timey music, southern squares, Appalachian, subversive squares. So, I laughed when you asked for a name - harking back to Larry Jennings - I would call them Zesty Squares with old-timey music. On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Rich Sbardella richsbardella@gmail.com<mailto:richsbardella@gmail.com> [trad-dance-callers] <trad-dance-callers@yahoogroups.com<mailto:trad-dance-callers@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: Hello folks, I really like calling it "square dancing" because it is kind of open ended, and eclectic. As a MWSD caller who is calling many contras and more traditional square dances, when I tell dancers and organizers that my roots are in Club or MWSD circles, the most common response is "What is that?". Also, when I started calling MWSD in CT, 25 years ago, I once counted 60 CT MWSD dances in a month. I just counted the dances in CT in September 2016 and they total 7. That is a very steep decline. In addition to the number of dances, the number of dancers at each evening has declined. As the numbers declined, the average age increased. I do not believe that MWSD will disappear in my lifetime, but I know that is is a very small market, with all but a few clubs declining. As this decline has occurred, much of the public, has lost the sense that Square Dance denotes MWSD, and has accepted the more open, eclectic style of square dance. I imagine that this will increase in the "Post Modern Square Dance" world, and for that reason, the name "square dance" is more practical. It allows each caller, and each dance community, to evolve locally, and independently, in any, and, or, all traditions. Rich Sbardella Stafford, CT On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Tony Parkes tony@hands4.com<mailto:tony@hands4.com> [trad-dance-callers] <trad-dance-callers@yahoogroups.com<mailto:trad-dance-callers@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: John Freeman wrote: << How about we just call it “square dancing” and not worry about a made up generic name.>> Sherri Nevins wrote: <<… I think a fresh term could be very helpful.>> Great! This is exactly the kind of exchange I was hoping to encourage. My heart says we should just call it “square dancing,” whereas my head says that if one is going to discuss something, it can help to define one’s terms. The main problem with calling it “square dancing” is that a sizable number, perhaps a majority, of modern “western” square dance people have appropriated that name for themselves. Over and over again I hear them refer to themselves as “square dancers” and their activity as “square dancing,” usually with a little extra emphasis on “square,” whereas they refer to any other kind of SD as “traditional dance” or “heritage dance” (never with the word “square”) or as part of “contra.” I’d ignore this if we weren’t trying to foster improved dialogue between the camps. (Historical note: In 1969, Bob Osgood of “Sets in Order” and some of his colleagues attempted to create a form of SD that would appeal to many more people than the then-current version of modern “western,” which required 30 or more lessons to learn. After much discussion, they came up with a list of calls that essentially re-created traditional SD – knowing full well that that was what they were doing. There were 50 calls, with a suggested class length of 10 lessons; the only non-traditional calls were Allemande Thar, Square Thru, and Star Thru. The next step was to agree on a name. Reportedly there was much wrangling; I’d love to know what names were proposed and rejected. According to Osgood, the committee finally decided that the “new” program should be referred to simply as “square dancing,” presumably with the hope that more complex programs would then need qualifying adjectives. It didn’t work out in quite the way they had hoped: they released it as “the Basic Program of American Square Dancing,” and everyone since then has referred to it as “Basic.” It didn’t find its audience, either: instead of capturing a multitude of people who wouldn’t otherwise have touched SD, it was used only as a stepping stone to “higher” levels. Few if any clubs worldwide dance solely the Basic program.) If no one suggests a name that’s acceptable to everyone, I’m OK with that. But it would be handy to have one or two words to identify this emerging style in discussion, to distinguish it from the various traditional styles that contributed to it and from M “W” SD. Tony Parkes Billerica, Mass.