24 Jul
2019
24 Jul
'19
7:28 a.m.
Hi all,
I've just seen the video of Seth calling a Double Grand Square:
https://www.facebook.com/seth.tepfer/videos/10204536010419503
https://www.facebook.com/seth.tepfer/videos/10204536010419503
Looks like the figure was created by Martha Edwards around 2009:
http://www.westendweb.com/doublegrandsquare/
http://www.westendweb.com/doublegrandsquare/
http://dancecaller.blogspot.com/2009/06/more-on-double-grand-square.html
http://dancecaller.blogspot.com/2009/06/more-on-double-grand-square.html
But I found a number of earlier references to "Double Grand Square". Does
anyone know whether any other versions of a Double Grand Square exist?
1955
https://newspaperarchive.com/bakersfield-californian-apr-13-1955-p-36/
https://newspaperarchive.com/bakersfield-californian-apr-13-1955-p-36/
"A double grand square, never before presented for a local audience, is being
prepared by B Squares under the direction of Bernice Braddon. Precision timing is the
keynote of the square..."
1959
http://www.folkdance.com/LDArchive/1959October.pdf
http://www.folkdance.com/LDArchive/1959October.pdf
Exhibitions
Lariat Swingers
Director: Ace Smith
Dance - DOUBLE GRAND SQUARE - American
1978
http://doczz.net/doc/577224/american-square-dance-marcy-1978
http://doczz.net/doc/577224/american-square-dance-marcy-1978
"Keith does a fine job on his side, but the dancers felt that a double grand square
in the opener, middle break and closer were too many. "
1979
American Square Dance Vol. 34 no. 3 (search for ""double grand square"
dance")
"Bob has used a grand parade in his opener, and a double grand square in his
closer."
Note: "grand square" is italicized, "double" is not. So it might just
mean a Grand Square twice.
2005
http://squaredancehumor.blogspot.com/ http://squaredancehumor.blogspot.com/
"This was one big double square with six side couples and two head couples. The
other and even more difficult thing was I could not use my hands. To me square dancing is
hands. Every since I started it was right hand this and left hand that. I can’t remember
anyone mentioning anything about my feet. Patty was picking everything up just fine while
I was slowly starting to get some if it with many gentle pushes and endless pointing by
the other Stumblers. And of course there was the caller Ivan patient as ever saying,
“George – to the right, the right, the other right . . . very good!” Bill, an experienced
dancer, explained carefully how I was to count my steps, especially for the double grand
square. Eight steps and turn, repeated eight times, that was the secret for my
position."
This one may not be serious! :-)
Thanks,
John
24 Jul
24 Jul
7:45 a.m.
I had an exhibition group from 1975-1998 and we did it with 32 dancers, but with 8 steps
and turn and alternating couples turning.
On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 7:28 AM, john(a)modernjive.com [trad-dance-callers]
<trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi all, I've just seen the video of Seth calling a Double Grand
Square:https://www.facebook.com/seth.tepfer/videos/10204536010419503
Looks like the figure was created by Martha Edwards around 2009:
http://www.westendweb.com/doublegrandsquare/http://dancecaller.blogspot.com…
But I found a number of earlier references to "Double Grand Square". Does
anyone know whether any other versions of a Double Grand Square exist?
1955
https://newspaperarchive.com/bakersfield-californian-apr-13-1955-p-36/"… double grand
square, never before presented for a local audience, is being prepared by B Squares under
the direction of Bernice Braddon. Precision timing is the keynote of the square..."
1959
http://www.folkdance.com/LDArchive/1959October.pdfExhibitions
Lariat Swingers
Director: Ace Smith
Dance - DOUBLE GRAND SQUARE - American
1978
http://doczz.net/doc/577224/american-square-dance-marcy-1978"Keith does a fine job on
his side, but the dancers felt that a double grand square in the opener, middle break and
closer were too many. "
1979
American Square Dance Vol. 34 no. 3 (search for ""double grand square"
dance")
"Bob has used a grand parade in his opener, and a double grand square in his
closer."
Note: "grand square" is italicized, "double" is not. So it might just
mean a Grand Square twice.
2005
http://squaredancehumor.blogspot.com/"This was one big double square with six side
couples and two head couples. The other and even more difficult thing was I could not use
my hands. To me square dancing is hands. Every since I started it was right hand this and
left hand that. I can’t remember anyone mentioning anything about my feet. Patty was
picking everything up just fine while I was slowly starting to get some if it with many
gentle pushes and endless pointing by the other Stumblers. And of course there was the
caller Ivan patient as ever saying, “George – to the right, the right, the other right . .
. very good!” Bill, an experienced dancer, explained carefully how I was to count my
steps, especially for the double grand square. Eight steps and turn, repeated eight times,
that was the secret for my position."This one may not be serious! :-)
Thanks, John
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8:12 a.m.
Thanks, Otto.
What was the formation? One square with four couples on each side?
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
From: trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 24 July 2019 13:45
To: trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Double Grand Square
I had an exhibition group from 1975-1998 and we did it with 32 dancers, but with 8 steps
and turn and alternating couples turning.
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On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 7:28 AM, john(a)modernjive.com
<mailto:john@modernjive.com> [trad-dance-callers]
<trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com <mailto:trad-dance-callers@yahoogroups.com>
> wrote:
Hi all,
I've just seen the video of Seth calling a Double Grand Square:
https://www.facebook.com/seth.tepfer/videos/10204536010419503
Looks like the figure was created by Martha Edwards around 2009:
http://www.westendweb.com/doublegrandsquare/
http://dancecaller.blogspot.com/2009/06/more-on-double-grand-square.html
<http://dancecaller..blogspot.com/2009/06/more-on-double-grand-square.html>
But I found a number of earlier references to "Double Grand Square". Does
anyone know whether any other versions of a Double Grand Square exist?
1955
https://newspaperarchive.com/bakersfield-californian-apr-13-1955-p-36/
"A double grand square, never before presented for a local audience, is being
prepared by B Squares under the direction of Bernice Braddon. Precision timing is the
keynote of the square..."
1959
http://www.folkdance.com/LDArchive/1959October.pdf
<http://www.folkdance..com/LDArchive/1959October.pdf>
Exhibitions
Lariat Swingers
Director: Ace Smith
Dance - DOUBLE GRAND SQUARE - American
1978
http://doczz.net/doc/577224/american-square-dance-marcy-1978
"Keith does a fine job on his side, but the dancers felt that a double grand square
in the opener, middle break and closer were too many. "
1979
American Square Dance Vol. 34 no. 3 (search for ""double grand square"
dance")
"Bob has used a grand parade in his opener, and a double grand square in his
closer."
Note: "grand square" is italicized, "double" is not. So it might just
mean a Grand Square twice.
2005
http://squaredancehumor..blogspot.com/ <http://squaredancehumor.blogspot.com/>
"This was one big double square with six side couples and two head couples. The other
and even more difficult thing was I could not use my hands. To me square dancing is hands.
Every since I started it was right hand this and left hand that. I can’t remember anyone
mentioning anything about my feet. Patty was picking everything up just fine while I was
slowly starting to get some if it with many gentle pushes and endless pointing by the
other Stumblers. And of course there was the caller Ivan patient as ever saying, “George –
to the right, the right, the other right . . . very good!” Bill, an experienced dancer,
explained carefully how I was to count my steps, especially for the double grand square.
Eight steps and turn, repeated eight times, that was the secret for my position."
This one may not be serious! :-)
Thanks,
John
9:23 a.m.
You can have like spokes of a wheel four couples deep where all the heads are facing the
center or as alternating couples face their partner.You can also do four different contras
at the same time where to number one couple is the furthest out from the center.
On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 8:12 AM, 'John Sweeney' john(a)modernjive.com
[trad-dance-callers] <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Thanks, Otto.
What was the formation? One square with four couples on each side?
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940
574
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in
Kent
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
From: trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 24 July 2019 13:45
To: trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Double Grand Square
I had an exhibition group from 1975-1998 and we did it with 32 dancers, but with 8 steps
and turn and alternating couples turning.
On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 7:28 AM, john(a)modernjive.com [trad-dance-callers]
<trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I've just seen the video of Seth calling a Double Grand Square:
https://www.facebook.com/seth.tepfer/videos/10204536010419503
Looks like the figure was created by Martha Edwards around 2009:
http://www.westendweb.com/doublegrandsquare/
http://dancecaller.blogspot.com/2009/06/more-on-double-grand-square.html
But I found a number of earlier references to "Double Grand Square". Does
anyone know whether any other versions of a Double Grand Square exist?
1955
https://newspaperarchive.com/bakersfield-californian-apr-13-1955-p-36/
"A double grand square, never before presented for a local audience, is being
prepared by B Squares under the direction of Bernice Braddon. Precision timing is the
keynote of the square..."
1959
http://www.folkdance.com/LDArchive/1959October.pdf
Exhibitions
Lariat Swingers
Director: Ace Smith
Dance - DOUBLE GRAND SQUARE - American
1978
http://doczz.net/doc/577224/american-square-dance-marcy-1978
"Keith does a fine job on his side, but the dancers felt that a double grand square
in the opener, middle break and closer were too many. "
1979
American Square Dance Vol. 34 no. 3 (search for ""double grand square"
dance")
"Bob has used a grand parade in his opener, and a double grand square in his
closer."
Note: "grand square" is italicized, "double" is not. So it might just
mean a Grand Square twice.
2005
http://squaredancehumor..blogspot.com/
"This was one big double square with six side couples and two head couples. The other
and even more difficult thing was I could not use my hands. To me square dancing is hands.
Every since I started it was right hand this and left hand that. I can’t remember anyone
mentioning anything about my feet. Patty was picking everything up just fine while I was
slowly starting to get some if it with many gentle pushes and endless pointing by the
other Stumblers. And of course there was the caller Ivan patient as ever saying, “George –
to the right, the right, the other right . . . very good!” Bill, an experienced dancer,
explained carefully how I was to count my steps, especially for the double grand square.
Eight steps and turn, repeated eight times, that was the secret for my position.."
This one may not be serious! :-)
Thanks,
John
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4:40 p.m.
On Jul 24, 2019, at 5:28 AM, john(a)modernjive.com [trad-dance-callers]
<trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I've just seen the video of Seth calling a Double Grand Square:
https://www.facebook.com/seth.tepfer/videos/10204536010419503
...
But I found a number of earlier references to "Double Grand Square". Does
anyone know whether any other versions of a Double Grand Square exist?
...
There's a dance by Ted Sannella called "Ted's Double Quadrille No. 1"
(or "... #1") that includes a different (and, I think, simpler) version of grand
square for eight dancers than the one in the video John cited. The starting formation is
a square with two couples side-by-side on each side of (as in Rod's Quads) and the
action is simply for each couple to act the part of an individual in a normal eight-person
grand square. If I recall correctly, when I danced to Ted's calling at Augusta Dance
Week in 1985, he had partners put our near arms around each other's backs as in a star
promenade, but it might also be done with partners simply holding near hands.
Side couples begin by facing up or down the hall toward the other side couple in their
foursome and backing away, while heads begin by dancing forward towards the opposite head
couple. On the fourth beat each couple, turns as a unit 90 degrees to face across the
square. On the next four beats, the original heads back out toward the side spots, while
the original sides advance toward the head spots, all couples turning on the last beat to
face uo and down. Etc.
A spreadsheet index of Ted's dances linked from
http://davidsmukler.syracusecountrydancers.org/ted-sannella-index/
lists the date of composition as 1965.
--Jim
4:46 p.m.
Oops. I wrote:
... a different (and, I think, simpler) version of
grand square for eight dancers than the one in the video John cited.
Of course, I should have written either "for sixteen dancers" or "for eight
couples".
--Jim
On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:40 PM, jim saxe
<Jim.Saxe(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 24, 2019, at 5:28 AM, john(a)modernjive.com [trad-dance-callers]
<trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
[That should be "for sixteen". --js]
Hi all,
I've just seen the video of Seth calling a Double Grand Square:
https://www.facebook.com/seth.tepfer/videos/10204536010419503
...
But I found a number of earlier references to "Double Grand Square". Does
anyone know whether any other versions of a Double Grand Square exist?
...
There's a dance by Ted Sannella called "Ted's Double Quadrille No. 1"
(or "... #1") that includes a different (and, I think, simpler) version of grand
square for eight dancers than the one in the video John cited. The
starting formation is a square with two couples side-by-side on each side of (as in
Rod's Quads) and the action is simply for each couple to act the part of an individual
in a normal eight-person grand square. If I recall correctly, when I danced to Ted's
calling at Augusta Dance Week in 1985, he had partners put our near arms around each
other's backs as in a star promenade, but it might also be done with partners simply
holding near hands.
Side couples begin by facing up or down the hall toward the other side couple in their
foursome and backing away, while heads begin by dancing forward towards the opposite head
couple. On the fourth beat each couple, turns as a unit 90 degrees to face across the
square. On the next four beats, the original heads back out toward the side spots, while
the original sides advance toward the head spots, all couples turning on the last beat to
face uo and down. Etc.
A spreadsheet index of Ted's dances linked from
http://davidsmukler.syracusecountrydancers.org/ted-sannella-index/
lists the date of composition as 1965.
--Jim
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