[Organizers] Re: Seeking news on covid infections from dances with vaccination

On Aug 23, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Ron Blechner via Organizers &lt;organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote: Hey, know what's really shitty? When an autistic person tells you that something harms them - in this case, vaccine skepticism - and then rather than pause, listen, and reconsider, instead you deny what they've said. I'm not going to dignify Weogo or Terri's replies, but I won't be silenced by them. On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 5:47 PM Terri Widergren via Organizers &lt;organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: PS I want to add,that I have no issue with vaccines, and have gotten mine, but I want to honor the perspective of others and appreciate the opportunity to dialogue about the differences not argue. On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 2:39 PM Terri Widergren &lt;twidgal(a)gmail.com <mailto:twidgal@gmail.com>> wrote: Thank you, Weogo, for your thoughtful response and citing your sources so I can further investigate your perspective. I heard no vaccine hate rhetoric, just concern and curiosity from your point of view and openness to other ideas if folks want to present them in a way that supports claims and opinion. This is such a divisive and emotionally charged topic, my heart has been aching over the division being created on so many levels in our society. I hear your heart of concern and sincerity and the amount of researching and soul searching you are doing about Covid, and appreciate it. There can be so many hurtful and unproductive reactions to one another when someone does not align with our perspective. May we find new ways of hearing and seeing the humanity in each other. Yes, good health to all as we trust our wisdom and conscious to guide us, Terri On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:28 AM Weogo Reed via Organizers &lt;organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:organizers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: Hi Folks, I'm not on a hill, looking for a fight or intending to harm, insult or shame anyone. The best outcome of this exchange is for all of us to be a bit more educated. CDC / NIH / FDA: Historically the CDC and NIH were sources of current, accurate health information. Small and low-income countries often used CDC/NIH recommendations verbatim as their health guidelines. From what I see today, they appear remarkably slow to acknowledge some current science. Vitamin D: "Several recent studies have looked at the impact of vitamin D on COVID-19. One study of 489 people found that those who had a vitamin D deficiency were more likely to test positive for the virus that causes COVID-19 than people who had normal levels of vitamin D. Other research has observed high rates of vitamin D deficiency in people with COVID-19 who experienced acute respiratory failure. These people had a significantly higher risk of dying. And a small, randomized study found that of 50 people hospitalized with COVID-19 who were given a high dose of a type of vitamin D (calcifediol), only one needed treatment in the intensive care unit. In contrast, among the 26 people with COVID-19 who weren't given calcifediol, 13 needed to be treated in the intensive care unit." https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/c… <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-and-vitamin-d/faq-20493088> Note that the current RDA(Recommended Daily Allowance) is for bone health. For optimal health, it may be more. From Liz: "Sunshine and fresh air will not keep you safe." Partially correct. They can increase your health and improve your body's covid response. Sunshine helps your body produce Vitamin D. Time outside for me generally equals exercise - in the garden, doing construction, walking/hiking and more. For the past year and a half, my one gig as a sound person was outside, providing audio for the local state university's graduation in May, with everybody masked and spaced 6'. Liz wrote: "And then there's this: https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-iverm… <https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19>" f There's wide evidence the FDA is out of date on their Ivermectin information. I suggest reading this website: https://covid19criticalcare.com/ <https://covid19criticalcare.com/> Moderna safety under review: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-probing-moderna-vaccine-increased-heart… <https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-probing-moderna-vaccine-increased-heart-inflammation-risk-washington-post-2021-08-20/> Deaths from Covid 'incredibly rare' among children: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w> With an extremely low covid risk for children, and some risk from any medicine, Is vaccinating children for covid the wisest choice? Liz wrote: "The nation's hospitals are filled with young, otherwise healthy, mostly unvaccinated people dying of Covid." Can you please provide data? I couldn't find hospitalization data for young, unvaccinated people, but did find this for deaths, based on age: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime <https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime> With so few deaths among the young, might it be accurate to say there aren't that many in hospitals? Ron wrote: "We need everyone vaccinated." Is natural immunity or vaccine-acquired immunity better? Here's one voice: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is… <https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM> From the BBC today: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098 <https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098> There are many points of view to this question, and it may boil down to what's best for an individual. I suggest we consider what we really need is for everybody to be healthy and have covid immunity, not necessarily vaccination. For Americans, 42% are obese: https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html <https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html> Could this be a more significant health issue than covid? Would you support an effective Public Health campaign for obesity education and reduction? Someone I love dearly is morbidly obese. I remember when he was slim and healthy. He now has multiple health issues that are known to be caused by obesity yet says the health issues are causing the obesity. (May be a bit of both?) Currently he is taking multiple medications and seeing a psychiatrist that isn't helping him be healthier, just more drugged. If I got anything wrong here, please correct me and cite your sources. 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