Hi Mac, Jack, Kimbi, and Alex,
Thanks so much for chiming in on this topic. Some great points including
some of the potential disadvantages to a larger crowd! I was thinking
only in terms of advantages as the resource I'm working on is about revenue
sources (e.g., 10 more dancers means 10 X the admission fee). However, it's
so true that there can be disadvantages.
Currently working through over 100 pages of 'revenue source' information
that folks have sent in or that I've pulled from previous conversations.
So I'll likely have some more questions for the group.
I really appreciate any insights you are willing to share ----> it will
definitely help strengthen this resource!
Emily
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 10:19 AM Jack Mitchell <jmitchell.nc(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Also, larger numbers also generally mean that ability levels average out a
> bit. With a really small dance, two or three people who are really
> struggling can make the whole dance fall apart, or mean that the caller has
> to choose especially simple dances to avoid meltdowns, where with larger
> groups, it is possible to handle more new dancers with the support of the
> experienced dancers.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 2:58 PM Mac Mckeever via Organizers <
> organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> To expand on your first item:
>>
>> Higher dancer density (up to a point) increases the excitement level.
>> You can take a really great event and double the size of the room and the
>> energy level will decline.
>>
>> Increasing attendance in the same hall will increase energy, excitement
>> and enjoyment up to a point - then it starts getting crowded and everything
>> does down hill from there (including dancer safety)
>>
>> So increasing attendance isn't always a good thing - unless you have a
>> bigger hall to move to.
>>
>> Mac McKeever
>>
>> On Monday, February 25, 2019, 12:45:52 PM CST, Emily Addison via
>> Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All!
>>
>> Can I pick your brain on a project that I'm working on for CDSS? It
>> relates to revenue sources for dances.
>>
>> Probably the obvious way to increase revenue is by increasing
>> attendance.... although I know this can be extremely hard.
>>
>> I'm wondering - other than revenue, what are other benefits to having
>> more dancers at your event? Here's a list that I've started....
>>
>> More dancers results in:
>>
>> -The dance feeling like a more exciting event …. “the place to be”
>>
>> -More people available to invite their friends next time. (As we know –
>> the best way to get new dancers is through word-of-mouth)
>>
>> More people to support your events moving forward (i.e., as volunteers,
>> donors, etc)
>>
>> -More options for dance partners – which can be helpful for certain
>> dancers!
>>
>> -Potential for a more diverse crowd in terms of age, experience,
>> ethnicity, gender identity, etc.
>>
>>
>> Any insight welcome!!!
>>
>>
>> With thanks :)
>>
>> Emily in Ottawa
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Hi fellow Shared Weight organizers,
The February issue of Shop Talk is now out! (Shop talk is a CDSS
e-newsletter for dance, music and song organizers.) View the full issue
here: https://conta.cc/2Ef3WqK
NOTE: If you aren't yet subscribed, I encourage you to join. There is a
link at the top of the latest issue.
The February issue includes a number of new resources as well as
information about upcoming learning opportunities. Three highlights are:
1. A new 'how to' resource on facilitating organizer discussions to help
YOU organizer your own organizer discussion at dance
weekends/festivals/camps OR on your own stand-alone event.
2. A collection of inspiring print promotional material from over 50
communities throughout North America.
3. A link to register for CDSS's next web chat on April 4th. The topic
of the next chat is family and community dances!
Enjoy :)
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Hi All!
Can I pick your brain on a project that I'm working on for CDSS? It
relates to revenue sources for dances.
Probably the obvious way to increase revenue is by increasing
attendance.... although I know this can be extremely hard.
I'm wondering - other than revenue, what are other benefits to having more
dancers at your event? Here's a list that I've started....
More dancers results in:
-The dance feeling like a more exciting event …. “the place to be”
-More people available to invite their friends next time. (As we know – the
best way to get new dancers is through word-of-mouth)
More people to support your events moving forward (i.e., as volunteers,
donors, etc)
-More options for dance partners – which can be helpful for certain dancers!
-Potential for a more diverse crowd in terms of age, experience, ethnicity,
gender identity, etc.
Any insight welcome!!!
With thanks :)
Emily in Ottawa
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Hi Chrissy et al :)
Chrissy - Thanks so much for sharing Larry's words and your reflections on
them! It's interesting as I've been thinking about related ideas over the
last number of months but I hadn't stopped to sort them out. Your post
slowed me down and gave space. :)
What I've been lamenting is that, from my perception, there is a general
push for contra dance to move towards an athletic and intense dance form.
I was at the Dance Flurry last weekend and that's a perfect example --->
very intense music, people always moving at a fast speed, intimate
connections, ways of moving bodies...etc. It seems as though the mindset
of many dance gypsies is that this form of contra is the ultimate
experience. (AGAIN - noting that this is my perception.)
I do love this form of contra dance but I also find it overwhelming at
times. Alternately - I take such great joy in a local dance with dances
that are moving at a slightly slower speed, not such 'sexy' dancing (for
lack of a better word), and more uplifting and joyous rather than
trance-like music. And I also love the open band type scenario and
chestnuts etc. Yes, I'm comparing a massive dance weekend to a little
local dance but I think the point is valid... ... many folks who think of
themselves as invested heavily in contra dance may gravitate to the intense
experience and might forget that the local-community feel with lots of
beginners and more straightforward music is a really beautiful thing.
My hope is that as contra dance continues to evolve, there's is not only
space but also admiration and support for the wide range of communities and
enactments of the dance form.
Just some personal reflections on a rainy afternoon up here in Ottawa.
Emily Addison
PS - sorry if my sentences are somewhat incoherent. Was up until 1am last
night doing homework for our local contra dance --- of all things! :)
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> Hi fellow organizers,
> I just came across the below excerpt online. It reminded me of one of my
> own strong opinions about dance leadership and dance organization --
> namely, that there are many paths to Nirvana, with Nirvana being in this
> case a successful dance series. The essential thing organizers should do
> is examine and articulate their own vision(s) and work very hard to
> create/adapt their dance series to express that vision as beautifully as
> they can.
> The quote itself may not resonate for you, but perhaps it will inspire you
> to pick up both of Larry's books (Zesty Contras and Give & Take) and pore
> through the bits about dance administration. Such juicy food for thought!
> Yours, with strong feelings about the objectives and techniques
> appropriate to my own local situation,
> Chrissy Fowler
> Belfast ME
>
> ?I believe that administrators and leaders should have strong feelings
> about the objectives and techniques appropriate to their local situation.I
> certainly do, and I hope you will too. Thus I have scattered my own
> opinions throughout the book, but I fully expect you to display a healthy
> skepticism toward these opinions. Indeed, I request such skepticism! So, if
> my subjective style riles you up?sets you pondering about your local
> needs?gives you a few ideas to adapt?clarifies your own thinking, no matter
> how different from mine?I?ll be well satisfied that my work has borne
> fruit.?
> ~ Larry Jennings in the ?Author?s Preface? to Zesty Contras
>
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Hi fellow organizers,
I just came across the below excerpt online. It reminded me of one of my own strong opinions about dance leadership and dance organization -- namely, that there are many paths to Nirvana, with Nirvana being in this case a successful dance series. The essential thing organizers should do is examine and articulate their own vision(s) and work very hard to create/adapt their dance series to express that vision as beautifully as they can.
The quote itself may not resonate for you, but perhaps it will inspire you to pick up both of Larry's books (Zesty Contras and Give & Take) and pore through the bits about dance administration. Such juicy food for thought!
Yours, with strong feelings about the objectives and techniques appropriate to my own local situation,
Chrissy Fowler
Belfast ME
“I believe that administrators and leaders should have strong feelings about the objectives and techniques appropriate to their local situation.I certainly do, and I hope you will too. Thus I have scattered my own opinions throughout the book, but I fully expect you to display a healthy skepticism toward these opinions. Indeed, I request such skepticism! So, if my subjective style riles you up—sets you pondering about your local needs—gives you a few ideas to adapt—clarifies your own thinking, no matter how different from mine—I’ll be well satisfied that my work has borne fruit.”
~ Larry Jennings in the “Author’s Preface” to Zesty Contras
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Another quick question about youth.
Have any of you had success including youth in your boards/committees?
If so, how did you do it?
We've had some success here in Ottawa but I'd love to learn more.
We have two people in their 20s on our Board and one is also on our
outreach/publicity team. Plus a teenager on our outreach team. All of
those were direct asks to those individuals, inviting them to get involved.
We created a 'youth' position on our Board many years ago and that's what
got the ball rolling.
I do find that a few of our youth volunteers aren't super reliable on tasks
(even well defined ones) but that can happen with older volunteers too and
I try to remember what I was like as a teenager. :)
Anyway - would love your thoughts!
Emily
Hi all :)
In case you're interested, the CDSS youth involvement web chat from last
Wednesday is now online here:
https://www.cdss.org/resources/how-to/organizers-resources#cdss-web-chats
Have any of you held 'work days'???
Lisa and Clara mentioned that youth really like coming together for their
'work days' (they have free pizza!) ... ... ... I was thinking this could
be fun here in Ottawa. However, we don't have a hall or that much equipment
to maintain. So I was wondering about something like a promo work party??
???
Have an afternoon and evening before the season starts where a bunch of us
get together with our computers and prep all sorts of promo stuff (e.g.,
online calendar postings, news articles, etc).
I find that it's hard for only 1-2 of us to do that work by ourselves...
... it's just so much. So having a party and share the workload in a fun
way sounds great.
Plus with youth 'living the online life', they might really enjoy working
on the social media stuff etc.
Crazy idea??? ???
Hey Shared Weight organizers,
The Belfast Flying Shoes made was I think is a REALLY cool "By the Numbers"
summary of their 13th year (... it was sent out in December).
I asked Chrissy Fowler if I could share it here and she said sure.
So here it is:
http://belfastflyingshoes.org/belfast-flying-shoes-by-the-numbers-celebrati…
<http://belfastflyingshoes.org/belfast-flying-shoes-by-the-numbers-celebrati…>
I'd love to try something like this at our local dance here in Ottawa.
Seems like a great idea to dancers an idea of what has been happening with
the organization (and all the work by the organizers). ... .... could also
feed into a request for donations too I guess!
Anyone else do something like this?
And does anyone know of free/cheap graphic software to make images like
this?
Anyway... just wanted to share as it seemed so cool.
Enjoy :)
Emily
Hello Contra Dancers:
Researchers Jonathan Sivier and Jan Buhrmann are currently conducting a
study on contra dance, in preparation for developing an article that
will introduce contra dancing to a wider audience. Their goal for this
article is to help promote the benefits of this form of dance to those
who aren’t currently familiar with it.
They would like to gather information from as many dancers around the
country as possible, and be able to compare the experiences and dynamics
of contra dancers in different parts of the country. They would greatly
appreciate your participation in a survey on contra dance that asks you
to share your thoughts, feelings, and experiences with contra dancing.
This survey is anonymous, and will only take a few minutes to fill out.
Please click on the link below to take this survey.
Contra Dance Survey
- Copy and paste the following address into your browser:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/YYRJCNJ
Sincerely,
Jonathan Sivier and Jan Buhrmann
Jonathan Sivier, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
jsivier(a)illinois.edu / 217-359-8225
Jan Buhrmann, Ph.D.
Department of Sociology, Illinois College
jbuhrman(a)ic.edu / 303-503-0858