5 Mar
2008
5 Mar
'08
1:52 p.m.
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Subject:Dance in transition
Hi
Dance venue in transition Qs?
Just curious as to longevity of dance series.
How do you handle organizer burnout?
I know an organizer who has been at it for 12 years and wishes to turn
the series
over to a new 'generation'.
How do you generate support and bring new people in to the organization
of dances?
(dancers scatter when there is mention of organizing!)
There is a small loyal group of dancers. The problem is no one wishes to
take up the duties of organizer. This is compounded by the fact that the
main organizer needs to
be a resident of the town where the dance is held. (I do what I can. I
organized a dance and found it was not my calling. esp. as the sole
organizer, dancers want to dance not organize!)
History:
Dance started in 1996
In a beautiful medium size hall.
First 2 years averaged 65-70 dancers
In the third year there was a problem with parking at the hall. Number
of dancers dropped off. Parking problem was resolved but the numbers did
not rebound.
Year 3
A "Flashier" dance series, 50 miles away, was created for the same wknd.
This siphoned
off more dancers.
Over the next 8 years attendance fluctuated between 20-40. which is the
sustaining level for this dance.
In the past year attendance levels have dropped to 10-30
The dance is having problems hiring the "Name" talent that brings in
dancers from more than an hour away (Though Randy Miller from western NH
is a fan of this dance and
plays for the take of the door)callers and musicians ask for guarantee
sums
The organizer just does not want the hassle of it anymore.
There are several of us who help when we can.
Some of the reasons the dance is struggling (along with the above)
Very few local dancers.
Lack of flashy talent (dance can not provide the pay out)
It's a community dance that welcomes beginners/families
At one time there was a rowdy teenage group who frequented the dance,
they were very energetic, too much for some dancers. (they do not
attend the dance anymore, but the stigma is still there)
It's to far off the beaten path (Where is ----------- anyway?) [ I
choose not to include the name of the dance without permission of the
organizer]
Its to long of a drive! There are better dances closer by...
Is that dance still happening?
It is a shame to see the demise of this dance series due to lack of
interest, attrition
gas prices, an aging dance community, apathy.
Perhaps it is time for this 'community' dance to close it's doors. I
wonder how many other smaller dances are experiencing the same problems.
Here is in southern NH dance venues (new dance halls) are becoming
increasingly hard to find and it would be a shame to see this one fall
from use.
Hope to start a dialogue and get some ideas for keeping this series
viable
Thanks in advance
Gale Wood
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5 Mar
5 Mar
2:24 p.m.
getting attendance up seems to be an constant problem/question. i haven't
seen a good single answer to that issue. my feeling is that if the
organizers pay attention to the dancers' needs and do a decent amount of
publicity, there is little else that can be done. re: accomodating dancers'
needs, this has to be balanced against the intended purpose of the dance.
eg: if i am organizing a dance because i want to hear a particular type of
music or more or less squares, then accomodating dancers that want other
music or less/more squares, isn't going to sway me. if it involves other
things, eg: decent sound, clean hall, places to sit, caller style, etc, this
is a different matter. accomodating the dancers in this way isn't apparent
in many dance communities i have seen.
i am interested in your comment about not being able to attract and pay the
flashy talent that dancers want. i suppose that this has something to do
with distance, but also something to do with community. if the dancers are
only consumers, and not attending the dance for social reasons then talent
becomes a looming issue. here in chicago we have never found there to be any
correlation between callers, bands and attendance. in town, out of town,
talent. its all the same. people generally don't seem to come to the dance
based on callers/musicians. weather does seem to impact attendance.
after looking at the details, to see if small things can't be changed to
make the dance appealing to dancers, if there isn't a group of people that
the dance can serve, then i suppose it is time for the dance to end. it may
have been more popular in the past, when there was fewer dances available.
times perhaps have changed. there have been several dance series' here that
have folded for lack of interest. (probably because the interests of the
dancers were not accomodated).
jeffrey
chicago
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Subject:Dance in transition
Hi
Dance venue in transition Qs?
Just curious as to longevity of dance series.
How do you handle organizer burnout?
I know an organizer who has been at it for 12 years and
wishes to turn the series
over to a new 'generation'.
How do you generate support and bring new people in to the
organization of dances?
(dancers scatter when there is mention of organizing!)
There is a small loyal group of dancers. The problem is no
one wishes to take up the duties of organizer. This is
compounded by the fact that the main organizer needs to
be a resident of the town where the dance is held. (I do what
I can. I organized a dance and found it was not my calling.
esp. as the sole organizer, dancers want to dance not organize!)
History:
Dance started in 1996
In a beautiful medium size hall.
First 2 years averaged 65-70 dancers
In the third year there was a problem with parking at the
hall. Number of dancers dropped off. Parking problem was
resolved but the numbers did not rebound.
Year 3
A "Flashier" dance series, 50 miles away, was created for the
same wknd.
This siphoned
off more dancers.
Over the next 8 years attendance fluctuated between 20-40.
which is the sustaining level for this dance.
In the past year attendance levels have dropped to 10-30
The dance is having problems hiring the "Name" talent that
brings in dancers from more than an hour away (Though Randy
Miller from western NH is a fan of this dance and
plays for the take of the door)callers and musicians ask for
guarantee sums
The organizer just does not want the hassle of it anymore.
There are several of us who help when we can.
Some of the reasons the dance is struggling (along with the above)
Very few local dancers.
Lack of flashy talent (dance can not provide the pay out)
It's a community dance that welcomes beginners/families
At one time there was a rowdy teenage group who frequented
the dance, they were very energetic, too much for some
dancers. (they do not attend the dance anymore, but the
stigma is still there)
It's to far off the beaten path (Where is -----------
anyway?) [ I choose not to include the name of the dance
without permission of the organizer]
Its to long of a drive! There are better dances closer by...
Is that dance still happening?
It is a shame to see the demise of this dance series due to
lack of interest, attrition
gas prices, an aging dance community, apathy.
Perhaps it is time for this 'community' dance to close it's
doors. I wonder how many other smaller dances are
experiencing the same problems.
Here is in southern NH dance venues (new dance halls) are
becoming increasingly hard to find and it would be a shame to
see this one fall from use.
Hope to start a dialogue and get some ideas for keeping this
series viable
Thanks in advance
Gale Wood
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Gale,
I'm not sure that I can give you good advice about building a dance
series, since Mill City is still struggling. I think that I can guess
which series you're talking about, but we'll leave that out for now. I
can, however, talk a little bit about how I ran the series and how I
handed it off to a new group of organizers.
Alan's suggestion that the current organizer be the town liaison if no
one else can be found is a very good one. David also made some very good
points.
I, too, tried a broad appeal for help in running the series last Spring.
It didn't work. What did work was face to face discussion. You need to
ask people to become involved directly. By making a personal request,
it's much more difficult for them to turn you down. I chose people who
were regulars and seemed to have a commitment to the dance and a good
attitude about the community. If they do turn you down, ask them to make
suggestions about others who might be interested and recruit them to
help you find people who will help.
Some other thoughts:
If you can't afford the "flashy" talent that draws from far away, then
look for the exciting up and coming talent. They're usually hungry for
venues to gain experience and hone their performances. Keep an eye on
the other dances in your area to see who they are hiring. Dance in as
many places as you can. I found musicians through friends, at festivals
and just by talking with strangers during the break in a dance. Go up
and talk to musicians at the dances you attend and let them know that
you organize a dance and ask to exchange contact info. Look for the
people sitting in the back of the hall, playing quietly with the music
to practice.
You mentioned that it was a community dance but also mentioned that it
was failing to draw dancers from more than an hour away. The
organizer(s) needs to decide what kind of dance they want to create. The
hard core dancers who would travel far for a dance are not going to do
it for a community dance. Making a decision about what kind of dance it
will be will go far in deciding what needs to be done to build
attendance. Creating a "flashy" dance means investing (out of pocket) in
a few of those bands/callers that will draw the crowds. This is
financially risky, but can be done. Creating a community dance means
advertising to non-dancers in the area. Schools, churches, social clubs,
colleges are all fair game. It's important to remember that people
attend a dance not only because they enjoy the activity, but to see and
socialize with their friends. The core group of dancers are the ones who
need to spread the word and bring new people to the dance. Word of mouth
will be the most powerful advertisement you can get.
If the dance is scheduled on a day that conflicts with another dance of
the same type (either community or flashy) that is close by, then
consider changing the date (no matter who was there first). If a
community dance is up against a "flashy" dance on the same night, then
it gives people a choice and an opportunity to dance the way they wish.
But if there are two community dances close by on the same night, then
both are going to suffer.
Hope this has helped.
Chris Weiler
Goffstown, NH
Gale T. Wood wrote:
To: organizers(a)sharedweight.net.
Subject:Dance in transition
Hi
Dance venue in transition Qs?
Just curious as to longevity of dance series.
How do you handle organizer burnout?
I know an organizer who has been at it for 12 years and wishes to turn
the series
over to a new 'generation'.
How do you generate support and bring new people in to the organization
of dances?
(dancers scatter when there is mention of organizing!)
There is a small loyal group of dancers. The problem is no one wishes to
take up the duties of organizer. This is compounded by the fact that the
main organizer needs to
be a resident of the town where the dance is held. (I do what I can. I
organized a dance and found it was not my calling. esp. as the sole
organizer, dancers want to dance not organize!)
History:
Dance started in 1996
In a beautiful medium size hall.
First 2 years averaged 65-70 dancers
In the third year there was a problem with parking at the hall. Number
of dancers dropped off. Parking problem was resolved but the numbers did
not rebound.
Year 3
A "Flashier" dance series, 50 miles away, was created for the same wknd.
This siphoned
off more dancers.
Over the next 8 years attendance fluctuated between 20-40. which is the
sustaining level for this dance.
In the past year attendance levels have dropped to 10-30
The dance is having problems hiring the "Name" talent that brings in
dancers from more than an hour away (Though Randy Miller from western NH
is a fan of this dance and
plays for the take of the door)callers and musicians ask for guarantee
sums
The organizer just does not want the hassle of it anymore.
There are several of us who help when we can.
Some of the reasons the dance is struggling (along with the above)
Very few local dancers.
Lack of flashy talent (dance can not provide the pay out)
It's a community dance that welcomes beginners/families
At one time there was a rowdy teenage group who frequented the dance,
they were very energetic, too much for some dancers. (they do not
attend the dance anymore, but the stigma is still there)
It's to far off the beaten path (Where is ----------- anyway?) [ I
choose not to include the name of the dance without permission of the
organizer]
Its to long of a drive! There are better dances closer by...
Is that dance still happening?
It is a shame to see the demise of this dance series due to lack of
interest, attrition
gas prices, an aging dance community, apathy.
Perhaps it is time for this 'community' dance to close it's doors. I
wonder how many other smaller dances are experiencing the same problems.
Here is in southern NH dance venues (new dance halls) are becoming
increasingly hard to find and it would be a shame to see this one fall
from use.
Hope to start a dialogue and get some ideas for keeping this series
viable
Thanks in advance
Gale Wood
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