Yaron,
Thanks for this distinction. I’m going to play around with these differences.
~Erik Hoffman
Oakland, CA
From: Musicians [mailto:musicians-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Yaron
Shragai via Musicians
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 2:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [Musicians] Learning/sharing/remembering rhythms
The 123-123-12 rhythm appears in Middle Eastern, Balkan, and African music; I would more
than suspect that its occurrence in contra dance music has come mainly via the African
route, both via the slave influence in Appalachian music and via the hippy/funky influence
in modern contra.
The klezmer/Romanian 123-123-12 has a different inflection to it - a different
articulation - the late great Balkan dance/int'l folk dance teacher Dick Crum called
it a "Get your Papers Here" rhythm - more of a 2;1,2;1,2 articulation than a
3;3;2 articulation.
...Unless the rhythm you're thinking of is the rock-n-roll boom-chuckboom-boomchuck -
in which case we're back to the African influence...
- Yaron
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:31 AM, Erik Hoffman via Musicians
<musicians@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:musicians@lists.sharedweight.net>>
wrote:
Hi Max & All,
Interesting that you learned the 3-3-2 rhythm as Klezmer.
- Klezmer rhythm (123-123-12)
So many of the people I've studied from say the 3-3-2 came from Africa. It has invaded
many other genres. When I first learned about it (other than the clave), it came at me
three times in one year:
* A bunch of fiddle bowings used in Old-Time Appalachian tunes (highly slave
influenced)
* A doumbek rhythm (an Arabic drum)
* In hamboning--body rhythm with African roots, from when slaves had their drums taken
away.
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Erik Hoffman
Oakland, CA
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