Hmm. Perry, I wasn't thinking the loop R was part of the hey at all, nor that the timing needed any adjustment. I do think that the half hey doesn't end with the gents in the center. Ron clearly wrote that the gents pass R in the center. That theoretically puts them at the side or nearly so, and heading that way. The ladies will be looping the back at that point. A loop R will feel like turning to a hey the line, especially for the ladies. My point is that it will take several iterations of the dance for dancers to remember to flatten it out as they travel toward the next N so they can gypsy R with them. If you told them to balance and swing, it would happen more easily, but I can see that Ron is trying to keep it glassy smooth. My experience suggests that whatever we intend, dancers will interpret "loop" with varying degrees of curve, many making it deep enough to spoil the transition to the R gypsy, unless the teach specifically prevents this. if you just told the gents to pass L in the middle, and continue to the side, then face the N and pass through to gypsy the next, the curve would evolve on its own as people danced it, and be just right. My opinion only. As for timing, no matter what you call it, I'm betting that loop is going to cross the phrase for many, and the new N gypsy will be short. Possibly, just looping to a new N Sw would work. Might be a long swing for some. Best, Andrea Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask

Meh. I meant gents pass Left in the center. Andrea Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask

Thanks for your perspective.  I guess that since the gents pass was the 4th pass in the hey then whatever is best to describe that you pass the N by the right shoulder (the gents pass is by the L in the center BTW - that's what GL means).  In essence, to me, it FEELS like a continuation of the hey and then you pass N right to the next.  I think the easiest is to say, half hey, pass N by the right up and down, and on to the next, gypsy and swing the next. Perry From: Andrea Nettleton <twirly-girl(a)bellsouth.net> To: Perry Shafran <pshaf(a)yahoo.com> Cc: Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com>om>; callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Callers] Ye ole Does This Exist - Mad Robin 2 Hey dance Hmm.  Perry, I wasn't thinking the loop R was part of the hey at all, nor that the timing needed any adjustment.  I do think that the half hey doesn't end with the gents in the center. Ron clearly wrote that the gents pass R in the center.  That theoretically puts them at the side or nearly so, and heading that way.   The ladies will be looping the back at that point.  A loop R will feel like turning to a hey the line, especially for the ladies.  My point is that it will take several iterations of the dance for dancers to remember to flatten it out as they travel toward the next N so they can gypsy R with them.  If you told them to balance and swing, it would happen more easily, but I can see that Ron is trying to keep it glassy smooth.  My experience suggests that whatever we intend, dancers will interpret "loop" with varying degrees of curve, many making it  deep enough to spoil the transition to the R gypsy, unless the teach specifically prevents this.  if you just told the gents to pass L in the middle, and continue to the side, then face the N and pass through to gypsy the next, the curve would evolve on its own as people danced it, and be just right.  My opinion only. As for timing, no matter what you call it, I'm betting that loop is going to cross the phrase for many, and the new N gypsy will be short.  Possibly, just looping to a new N Sw would work.  Might be a long swing for some.  Best,Andrea Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Perry Shafran <pshaf(a)yahoo.com> wrote: I would agree with that, although the 1/2 hey is over when the gents pass in the center, so it would be more like a 5/8 hey, with 2 beats of that hey coming in the A2.  "Loop right" seems to be a way to avoid calling it part of the hey, and since it's the start of a new phrase, I can see why one would want to differentiate it from the hey.  Perry From: Andrea Nettleton via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> To: Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> Cc: callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Callers] Ye ole Does This Exist - Mad Robin 2 Hey dance Ron et al,In general, I really like this dance.  That loop right will snag people at least a few times through though, in that it will make them want to gypsy L with the next, continuing the weave, when they need to make it feel like a pass through so their body flow can take them into a R gypsy.  It might be worth pointing that out, or teaching them to finish the half hey face N, pass through R Sh .  Just a thought.Andrea Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Ron Blechner via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: Hi callers,I was hoping this dance, or something very similar, might be identified:Becket A1: Gents Alle L 1.5 (8)        1/2 Hey (8) (NR, LL, PR, GL) A2: N Gypsy R 1/2 (2)* (to face next N)        Next N Gypsy + Sw (14) B1: Mad Robin (8)**        1/2 Hey (8) (GL, PR, LL, NR) B2: Gents Pass L (2)        P Gypsy + Swing (14)* Been debating teaching / calling this as a gypsy or "loop right". I think either works, but ideas welcome. ** Gents in front, CWThanks, Ron _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

I would suggest teaching the end of A1 and the beginning of A2 by telling dancers to hey, N's starting right shoulder until facing neighbor on other side, having them pause at that point. Then ask dancers to pass N by right, immediately turn right and step towards a next neighbor. The dance seems more fun for the men than for the women. Several of my dances have a similar exit from a hey (email me if you want the link to them) and the above instructions work every time. Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844