1 Jun
2015
1 Jun
'15
7:19 p.m.
On 6/1/2015 10:23 AM, Dave Casserly via Callers wrote:
Also with regard to Ron's questions, numbers 2 and
3 (who-leads-whom and
who-walks-forward) can be handled by using the terms "clockwise" and
"counterclockwise." As to 4 (who passes whom for a hey), I agree with
Bob that if the dance is good, it should be obvious, but even if not,
"pass left shoulders in the middle for a hey for four" can only be
interpreted one way, so that fixes the issue of referring to roles.
Mostly, yes, but with oddball dances like Earth and Sky (Rick Mohr) that
have an unusual entry into the hey you do need to give some more
specific instruction.
A1: Gypsy with neighbor (8)
Swing neighbor (8)
A2: Circle left 3/4 (8)
Allemande right with partner 1 1/2 (8)
B1: Allemande left with shadow (6)
Swing partner (10)
B2: 5/8 hey (men pass right shoulders to start) (8)
Gypsy (left shoulder) with neighbor (8)
Just as a brain exercise, how would you tackle this one with global
terminology? There's usually a way to make it work, but sometimes it
can be pretty clunky to avoid the role terms.
I'm not saying that it's perfect, but it is
actually quite doable to
call a dance without referring to roles at all, even without resorting
to first or second corners.
Perry asked for an example of a dance with global terminology used.
Here's one (just picking a common, typical dance):
Square Affair, by Becky Hill
A1 Long Lines, 1st corners chain (or just say "chain" if you're dealing
with experienced dancers and don't want to use the corners terminology)
That would need to be 2nd corners.
A2 Balance and pull by partner, pull by neighbor,
balance and pull by
partner, pull by neighbor
B1 New neighbors balance and swing
B2 Circle 3/4, partner swing
Kalia Kliban
Sebastopol, CA
1 Jun
1 Jun
10:29 p.m.
New subject: [Callers] Another approach to Gender Free calling
The corners option is intriguing, but it's definitely more difficult,
even after dancers adjust.
Some more thoughts:
1. Anything in long lines is tricky, because corners are relative to
the group of 4, not the individual dancer. For example, I don't think
the box circulate solution is easy at all.
2. Any terms that are used ought to stand up to calling during a
medley. If we can't universalize the terms, or nearly so, then they're
putting an upper limit on the skill level of dances we can use. I
don't think
3. I like the idea of removing the gender from "chain" entirely. The
concept of a "Lady's Chain" is antequated. It's a chain. Either
position can do it. It also means that the current "Gent's Chain" is
incorrect - and should be a "Left-hand-chain".
4. Isn't corners used a lot in ECD simply because of necessity with
proper formation?
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
On 6/1/2015 10:23 AM, Dave Casserly via Callers
wrote:
Also with regard to Ron's questions, numbers 2 and 3 (who-leads-whom and
who-walks-forward) can be handled by using the terms "clockwise" and
"counterclockwise." As to 4 (who passes whom for a hey), I agree with
Bob that if the dance is good, it should be obvious, but even if not,
"pass left shoulders in the middle for a hey for four" can only be
interpreted one way, so that fixes the issue of referring to roles.
Mostly, yes, but with oddball dances like Earth and Sky (Rick Mohr) that
have an unusual entry into the hey you do need to give some more specific
instruction.
A1: Gypsy with neighbor (8)
Swing neighbor (8)
A2: Circle left 3/4 (8)
Allemande right with partner 1 1/2 (8)
B1: Allemande left with shadow (6)
Swing partner (10)
B2: 5/8 hey (men pass right shoulders to start) (8)
Gypsy (left shoulder) with neighbor (8)
Just as a brain exercise, how would you tackle this one with global
terminology? There's usually a way to make it work, but sometimes it can be
pretty clunky to avoid the role terms.
I'm not saying that it's perfect, but it
is actually quite doable to
call a dance without referring to roles at all, even without resorting
to first or second corners.
Perry asked for an example of a dance with global terminology used.
Here's one (just picking a common, typical dance):
Square Affair, by Becky Hill
A1 Long Lines, 1st corners chain (or just say "chain" if you're dealing
with experienced dancers and don't want to use the corners terminology)
That would need to be 2nd corners.
A2 Balance and pull by partner, pull by neighbor,
balance and pull by
partner, pull by neighbor
B1 New neighbors balance and swing
B2 Circle 3/4, partner swing
Kalia Kliban
Sebastopol, CA
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