On 2018-07-10 11:46 AM, Luke Donforth wrote: I was too! For me, that qualifies as a "cast". See, e.g. https://round.soc.srcf.net/dances/elements#Cast which indicates that you don't have to turn up + out if you're already facing out or down. Or consider https://round.soc.srcf.net/dances/elements#Cross%20and%20Cast where it doesn't say to face back in between the 'cross' and the 'cast'. Mind you, that's ECD. I'm not sure what (if anything) a non-ECD contra crowd would infer from the term "cast". (It *could* work to have the ladies turn back in after the corner-crossing, but only if there's time, which there typically wouldn't be in a contra dance. Maybe an ECD to a slowish 3/4 tempo.) Anyhow, the best wording will depend on what the dancers are used to, but my guess is that you'll get better results by breaking the figure into a corner trade + all move ccw rather than a half figure eight variant. -Michael