"...the same hey can be different numbers of passes in different heys." I think there is some double-speak in there. Peace is war, hate is love, difference is the same. I refuse to bow to Big Brother! ;-) I also refuse to accept imprecision in dance directions. "Do a 15/16ths hey for four, ending with the homogeneous sapien in the nominally gent-gendered role on the inside of the set looking leftward at a 49-degree angle....)" On Aug 15, 2016 3:55 PM, "Ron Blechner" &lt;contraron(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Good points from Neal and Bev. I'm curious now about the timing of the ladies casting over right shoulder and entering the hey. It does seem like it would better fit the music. RE: 3/8ths hey - there's a ton of dances with 3/8 hey called as half, as the same hey can be different number of passes in different heys. Anyway, now I really want to dance a star-cast-hey transition... :) Ron On Aug 11, 2016 3:57 PM, "Neal Schlein via Callers" < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote: Isn't it actually a 3/8ths hey? ...Which is somewhat tricky to say: Three Eights Hey For Four. Lots of numbers in there. Good enough reason to find another explanation. ;-) What I'm seeing about not simply writing it out as a hey is that the star is causing the ladies to move forward into the men's position. From a static perspective it is definitely a partial hey, but the women's momentum will want to carry them too far forward and it'll become mush for anyone not paying attention. Turning back to the right is nice flow, and to me there's nothing wrong with writing things like that into the dance. For example, I have long used a dance which cues the ladies to turn AWAY from a star and swing the man behind them. Technically it is just a u-turn, but every time I use that phrase three quarters of the ladies will turn TOWARD the star (for a variety of reasons, including partner "assistance"). It makes me cringe, because the dance is so much nicer if they turn the other direction. Neal _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net