Needs 4 counts (8 beats) to be executed well. My experience is that using it on 8-count swings makes a lot of people late, because most aren't willing to cut the swing off early enough to fit the twirl in without being late. Hence the usefulness of 16-count swings / utility of flourishes to 16-count swings, which i see as a reciprocal relationship. On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Jeff Kaufman <jeff.t.kaufman(a)gmail.com> wrote: