14 Mar
2018
14 Mar
'18
2:52 p.m.
Andrea,
The discussions make it clear that: (1) there is a need to use
terminology other than "gypsy," at least in some venues, and (2) there
is no generally-agreed substitute term.
A lot of callers see that as an impediment to clear and concise
teaching/calling. I have certainly experienced confusion and annoyance
as a dancer. I believe that the folk process will provide a solution,
but I appreciate the efforts to accelerate what could otherwise take
many years to resolve.
I appreciate the reports of what different callers are trying and their
degree of success. At the same time, it makes a lot of sense to avoid
rehashing the same arguments, as you suggest. Right now, we're in an
empirical phase--trial and error--and rapid dissemination of results
seems like the way to go. If that process suggests a few good
candidates, it might be time to debate their merits.
Bob
On 3/14/2018 03:31, Andrea Nettleton via Callers wrote:
Hi everyone,
Here we are once more, sharing our likes and dislikes, our preferred term (I’ve
shared and still like whimsy, but look-see got my attention) of the moment. But why are
we circling this wagon again? Though everyone is polite, and thankfully we haven’t begun
to rehash whether gypsy is a slur or not, I also see no fresh approach, no new insight, to
clarify for one and all a single, simple, right answer. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sure
there is one. But I’m positive we won’t get there by having more of the same back and
forth we’ve already had. While I R eyelemande my neighbor, you’re going to R shoulder
round yours, and as far as I can tell, that’s where we are and will be. Could we please
maybe back away from the specifics a bit, and see if we can generate a new way of framing
the debate? And if we can’t, just let the experiment continue without rehashing the
already well trodden ground?
Thanks,
Andrea
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On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:53 PM, Cara Sawyer via
Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Jo Mortland of the Chicago Barn Dance group here came up with Dipsy. Nice and silly and
sounds similar enough it requires no explanation. Sort of like Kipsy!
Guess what they say about great minds is true!
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On Mar 13, 2018, at 14:41, Perry Shafran via
Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I happen to *like* right shoulder round and have liked it ever since three callers at a
dance event used it and it went rather flawlessly. I like the fact that it is actually
descriptive in what you're doing. I think that the more we try to invent made-up
words to try to make it sound fun and whimsey, the more we are likely to upset dancers who
don't like that we're changing terms as it is. It may *sound* like a boring
descriptor, but I feel my job as a caller is to describe the move and let the dancer
decide what the mood is going to be for that individual dancer, based on their own
feelings and their own connection to the music. So I plan to stick with "right
shoulder round".
Perry
From: Martha Wild via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:03 PM
Subject: [Callers] More substitute terms for the g-word
Interesting discussion on the Portland Country Dance Community Facebook page. Lots of
great suggestions. A lot of people really don’t like “right shoulder round” (I’m one of
them). I tried one of their suggestions last night - Kipsey - and it worked amazingly
well. Easy to say, particularly when you are cutting down the calling to one word (what do
you do with right shoulder round? shoulder? Ick.) And everyone can hear the similarity and
knows what to do. I had tried spiral for a while and people just seemed confused. The
other suggestion that I noticed today was from Susan Michaels - “look-see” That has the
virtue of a similar rhyming two syllable call, and it’s upbeat and fun and has emphasis on
facing the other person. Check out the discussion.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/62950211264/permalink/10155943260651265/
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