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Martha Wild

13 Mar 2018 13 Mar '18

1:02 p.m.

Interesting discussion on the Portland Country Dance Community Facebook page. Lots of great suggestions. A lot of people really don’t like “right shoulder round” (I’m one of them). I tried one of their suggestions last night - Kipsey - and it worked amazingly well. Easy to say, particularly when you are cutting down the calling to one word (what do you do with right shoulder round? shoulder? Ick.) And everyone can hear the similarity and knows what to do. I had tried spiral for a while and people just seemed confused. The other suggestion that I noticed today was from Susan Michaels - “look-see” That has the virtue of a similar rhyming two syllable call, and it’s upbeat and fun and has emphasis on facing the other person. Check out the discussion. https://www.facebook.com/groups/62950211264/permalink/10155943260651265/ <https://www.facebook.com/groups/62950211264/permalink/10155943260651265/>

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Kalia Kliban

13 Mar 13 Mar

1:53 p.m.

On 3/13/2018 11:02 AM, Martha Wild via Callers wrote:

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Ric Goldman - Letsdance

2:27 p.m.

Hi Kalia, I independently came up with using kipsie myself on the way down to calling the Palo Alto contra. I tried it out with dancers before the dance and during the lesson. The overall response was negative. 2 comments came back as: "You're just trying to not say gypsy, so it's still offensive". I ended up using right-shoulder round during the dance and got further feedback during the break and after the dance. Again, kipsey got a bad response, although that may be because it was new. I think folks are getting a lot of replacement-term fatigue ("what, now this?"). Right-shoulder round seemed to be the preferred term amongst the dancers themselves - they claim to understand it best. Still, I'm not giving up quite yet. 😊 (Note, the PA Contra doesn't yet have an official policy banning the g-word. They leave it up to the caller.) Thanx, Ric Goldman Portland, OR P.S. And NO, Kipsey is not an ethnic slur against people from Poughkeepsie, New York. -----Original Message----- From: Callers <callers-bounces(a)lists.sharedweight.net> On Behalf Of Kalia Kliban via Callers Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 11:53 AM To: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net Subject: Re: [Callers] More substitute terms for the g-word On 3/13/2018 11:02 AM, Martha Wild via Callers wrote:

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I've been using "R/L shoulders around" since it has, at least so far, been preferable to the alternatives. The big advantage of the word "gypsy" is that it's both a noun and a verb, so you can say "gypsy your neighbor" or "dance a mirror gypsy with your partner." RSA is more cumbersome and less flexible. Gotta say, I really like "kipsey." A lot. It's the first alternative I've heard that scratches the same itch as "gypsy" without being excessively twee or hard to say or hard to hear. Other CA Bay Area callers on the list, what do you think about this possibility? Kalia _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Delia Clark

2:34 p.m.

I, luckily, never get tired of this conversation as I feel that it’s really important and I feel that it is as yet unresolved. I find it heartening and fascinating that we all are still engaged in this, working so hard to find a solution. It’s also one of my favorite moves. So, that said, I wonder what others think of the suggestion earlier today, “Look-see”. Is it too “twee”? It feels good to me, both descriptive of the essence of the move - eye contact - and easy to say. And I think you could maybe make it meet the noun/verb criterion, with some wiggling.

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On Mar 13, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Ric Goldman - Letsdance via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: Hi Kalia, I independently came up with using kipsie myself on the way down to calling the Palo Alto contra. I tried it out with dancers before the dance and during the lesson. The overall response was negative. 2 comments came back as: "You're just trying to not say gypsy, so it's still offensive". I ended up using right-shoulder round during the dance and got further feedback during the break and after the dance. Again, kipsey got a bad response, although that may be because it was new. I think folks are getting a lot of replacement-term fatigue ("what, now this?"). Right-shoulder round seemed to be the preferred term amongst the dancers themselves - they claim to understand it best. Still, I'm not giving up quite yet. 😊 (Note, the PA Contra doesn't yet have an official policy banning the g-word. They leave it up to the caller.) Thanx, Ric Goldman Portland, OR P.S. And NO, Kipsey is not an ethnic slur against people from Poughkeepsie, New York. -----Original Message----- From: Callers <callers-bounces(a)lists.sharedweight.net> On Behalf Of Kalia Kliban via Callers Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 11:53 AM To: callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net Subject: Re: [Callers] More substitute terms for the g-word On 3/13/2018 11:02 AM, Martha Wild via Callers wrote:

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Perry Shafran

2:41 p.m.

I happen to *like* right shoulder round and have liked it ever since three callers at a dance event used it and it went rather flawlessly. I like the fact that it is actually descriptive in what you're doing. I think that the more we try to invent made-up words to try to make it sound fun and whimsey, the more we are likely to upset dancers who don't like that we're changing terms as it is. It may *sound* like a boring descriptor, but I feel my job as a caller is to describe the move and let the dancer decide what the mood is going to be for that individual dancer, based on their own feelings and their own connection to the music. So I plan to stick with "right shoulder round". Perry From: Martha Wild via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:03 PM Subject: [Callers] More substitute terms for the g-word Interesting discussion on the Portland Country Dance Community Facebook page. Lots of great suggestions. A lot of people really don’t like “right shoulder round” (I’m one of them). I tried one of their suggestions last night - Kipsey - and it worked amazingly well. Easy to say, particularly when you are cutting down the calling to one word (what do you do with right shoulder round? shoulder? Ick.) And everyone can hear the similarity and knows what to do. I had tried spiral for a while and people just seemed confused. The other suggestion that I noticed today was from Susan Michaels - “look-see” That has the virtue of a similar rhyming two syllable call, and it’s upbeat and fun and has emphasis on facing the other person. Check out the discussion. https://www.facebook.com/groups/62950211264/permalink/10155943260651265/ _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

John W Gintell

2:53 p.m.

I think it would be best if only one term is used by callers at all dances. I think this quite important for beginners (not necessarily just the first time) who face enough confusion learning the terminology. One of the reasons why beginners don’t return is that it is too confusing. And I too like hearing right shoulder round because it is descriptive.

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On Mar 13, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Perry Shafran via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I happen to *like* right shoulder round and have liked it ever since three callers at a dance event used it and it went rather flawlessly. I like the fact that it is actually descriptive in what you're doing. I think that the more we try to invent made-up words to try to make it sound fun and whimsey, the more we are likely to upset dancers who don't like that we're changing terms as it is. It may *sound* like a boring descriptor, but I feel my job as a caller is to describe the move and let the dancer decide what the mood is going to be for that individual dancer, based on their own feelings and their own connection to the music. So I plan to stick with "right shoulder round".

Martha Wild

3:07 p.m.

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On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:53 PM, John W Gintell via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I think it would be best if only one term is used by callers at all dances. I think this quite important for beginners (not necessarily just the first time) who face enough confusion learning the terminology. One of the reasons why beginners don’t return is that it is too confusing. And I too like hearing right shoulder round because it is descriptive.

On Mar 13, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Perry Shafran via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: I happen to *like* right shoulder round and have liked it ever since three callers at a dance event used it and it went rather flawlessly. I like the fact that it is actually descriptive in what you're doing. I think that the more we try to invent made-up words to try to make it sound fun and whimsey, the more we are likely to upset dancers who don't like that we're changing terms as it is. It may *sound* like a boring descriptor, but I feel my job as a caller is to describe the move and let the dancer decide what the mood is going to be for that individual dancer, based on their own feelings and their own connection to the music. So I plan to stick with "right shoulder round".

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Chip Hedler

3:56 p.m.

I've been using "eyeball dosido." Not elegant but everyone gets it immediately and never forgets what to do if I use it later on. Chip Hedler On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Martha Wild via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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I don’t think right shoulder round is going to make the grade. It’s descriptive, certainly, but it is long and unwieldy and can’t be easily shortened to anything recognizable as you eliminate calls in the dance. So, I’m sorry, but I’m not going to be using it. Martha On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:53 PM, John W Gintell via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I think it would be best if only one term is used by callers at all dances. I think this quite important for beginners (not necessarily just the first time) who face enough confusion learning the terminology. One of the reasons why beginners don’t return is that it is too confusing. And I too like hearing right shoulder round because it is descriptive. On Mar 13, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Perry Shafran via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I happen to *like* right shoulder round and have liked it ever since three callers at a dance event used it and it went rather flawlessly. I like the fact that it is actually descriptive in what you're doing. I think that the more we try to invent made-up words to try to make it sound fun and whimsey, the more we are likely to upset dancers who don't like that we're changing terms as it is. It may *sound* like a boring descriptor, but I feel my job as a caller is to describe the move and let the dancer decide what the mood is going to be for that individual dancer, based on their own feelings and their own connection to the music. So I plan to stick with "right shoulder round". _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Donna Hunt

4:30 p.m.

I've been using "walk'round" and it appears acceptable to the dancers. "Walk around" is already in the MWS jargon so I'm not creating new jargon. If I haven't been told not to use "gypsy" by the organizers then when I teach I say "gypsy walk'round" and which shoulder to use and how to do it. During the dance, I simply say "walk'round".and then never say "gypsy" again. That seems to anchor the experienced dancers to know what I mean and I teach to the new dancers so they understand what's expected of them. There are so many folks on either side of this argument that unfortunately the callers are stuck in the middle. Guilty if you do and if you don't. Some dance organizers won't take a stand, others say you must use it, others say you may not use it. There are still dancers who don't know what all the fuss is about. We all have heard of people from that ethnic group who are honored to have the term used (and loved) in our dance, just as we've heard that people are offended. Believe it or not, I recently received an anonymous written comment that some dancers were upset that another caller used "Men" and "Women" rather than "Gents" and "Ladies". Seems like folks are getting more and more intolerant if things are not just the way they want them to be. Donna Hunt -----Original Message----- From: Martha Wild via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> To: John W Gintell <john(a)gintell.org> Cc: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> Sent: Tue, Mar 13, 2018 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [Callers] More substitute terms for the g-word I don’t think right shoulder round is going to make the grade. It’s descriptive, certainly, but it is long and unwieldy and can’t be easily shortened to anything recognizable as you eliminate calls in the dance. So, I’m sorry, but I’m not going to be using it. Martha On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:53 PM, John W Gintell via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I think it would be best if only one term is used by callers at all dances. I think this quite important for beginners (not necessarily just the first time) who face enough confusion learning the terminology. One of the reasons why beginners don’t return is that it is too confusing. And I too like hearing right shoulder round because it is descriptive. On Mar 13, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Perry Shafran via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I happen to *like* right shoulder round and have liked it ever since three callers at a dance event used it and it went rather flawlessly. I like the fact that it is actually descriptive in what you're doing. I think that the more we try to invent made-up words to try to make it sound fun and whimsey, the more we are likely to upset dancers who don't like that we're changing terms as it is. It may *sound* like a boring descriptor, but I feel my job as a caller is to describe the move and let the dancer decide what the mood is going to be for that individual dancer, based on their own feelings and their own connection to the music. So I plan to stick with "right shoulder round". _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Yoyo Zhou

4:32 p.m.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Martha Wild via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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Personally, I use "right shoulder turn" in teaching, and when prompting, I shorten it to "right shoulder". This is already shorter than "right allemande", which I don't think can get any shorter. Also personally, I would find it hard not to cringe when I hear "kipsie" (and, not being from New York, I would have never made the Poughkeepsie connection without the help of this list). I feel similarly about "jets" as a dance role replacement term. It's just a little too close and reminds you too much of what you're trying to avoid. How dancers respond to new terms is shaped by their attitudes, which can range from "I don't want this to change" to "I think this needed changing but the new thing is awkward" to "I like the new thing" to "I don't care either way" to "I'm new, what is this?" So different things may work for different crowds, though you'll hear a lot of feedback from a few vocal dancers, whereas most dancers I think are closest to feeling "I don't care either way". But the whole reason we're on this topic is that enough dancers want it to change. Yoyo Zhou

Darwin Gregory

14 Mar 14 Mar

9:51 p.m.

I just heard a scientific term that I think would be a great, and concise, name to replace the g-word... There is a term for when celestial bodies orbit, and always have the same side facing the other. It is "tidal lock". It could be described in fun ways, and the word "lock" would be a built in reminder to lock eyes, which to me is a fun part of the movement. I must be honest, the term when both bodies stay facing each other it is technically a dual tidal lock, but surely scientists would forgive this inaccuracy to allow concise calls. :-) On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 4:35 PM Martha Wild via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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Cara Sawyer

13 Mar 13 Mar

10:53 p.m.

Jo Mortland of the Chicago Barn Dance group here came up with Dipsy. Nice and silly and sounds similar enough it requires no explanation. Sort of like Kipsy! Guess what they say about great minds is true! Sent using two thumbs

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On Mar 13, 2018, at 14:41, Perry Shafran via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I happen to *like* right shoulder round and have liked it ever since three callers at a dance event used it and it went rather flawlessly. I like the fact that it is actually descriptive in what you're doing. I think that the more we try to invent made-up words to try to make it sound fun and whimsey, the more we are likely to upset dancers who don't like that we're changing terms as it is. It may *sound* like a boring descriptor, but I feel my job as a caller is to describe the move and let the dancer decide what the mood is going to be for that individual dancer, based on their own feelings and their own connection to the music. So I plan to stick with "right shoulder round". Perry From: Martha Wild via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:03 PM Subject: [Callers] More substitute terms for the g-word Interesting discussion on the Portland Country Dance Community Facebook page. Lots of great suggestions. A lot of people really don’t like “right shoulder round” (I’m one of them). I tried one of their suggestions last night - Kipsey - and it worked amazingly well. Easy to say, particularly when you are cutting down the calling to one word (what do you do with right shoulder round? shoulder? Ick.) And everyone can hear the similarity and knows what to do. I had tried spiral for a while and people just seemed confused. The other suggestion that I noticed today was from Susan Michaels - “look-see” That has the virtue of a similar rhyming two syllable call, and it’s upbeat and fun and has emphasis on facing the other person. Check out the discussion. https://www.facebook.com/groups/62950211264/permalink/10155943260651265/ _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

Andrea Nettleton

14 Mar 14 Mar

2:31 a.m.

Hi everyone, Here we are once more, sharing our likes and dislikes, our preferred term (I’ve shared and still like whimsy, but look-see got my attention) of the moment. But why are we circling this wagon again? Though everyone is polite, and thankfully we haven’t begun to rehash whether gypsy is a slur or not, I also see no fresh approach, no new insight, to clarify for one and all a single, simple, right answer. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sure there is one. But I’m positive we won’t get there by having more of the same back and forth we’ve already had. While I R eyelemande my neighbor, you’re going to R shoulder round yours, and as far as I can tell, that’s where we are and will be. Could we please maybe back away from the specifics a bit, and see if we can generate a new way of framing the debate? And if we can’t, just let the experiment continue without rehashing the already well trodden ground? Thanks, Andrea Sent from my iPhone

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On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:53 PM, Cara Sawyer via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: Jo Mortland of the Chicago Barn Dance group here came up with Dipsy. Nice and silly and sounds similar enough it requires no explanation. Sort of like Kipsy! Guess what they say about great minds is true! Sent using two thumbs

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Bob Hofkin

9:52 a.m.

Andrea, The discussions make it clear that: (1) there is a need to use terminology other than "gypsy," at least in some venues, and (2) there is no generally-agreed substitute term. A lot of callers see that as an impediment to clear and concise teaching/calling. I have certainly experienced confusion and annoyance as a dancer. I believe that the folk process will provide a solution, but I appreciate the efforts to accelerate what could otherwise take many years to resolve. I appreciate the reports of what different callers are trying and their degree of success. At the same time, it makes a lot of sense to avoid rehashing the same arguments, as you suggest. Right now, we're in an empirical phase--trial and error--and rapid dissemination of results seems like the way to go. If that process suggests a few good candidates, it might be time to debate their merits. Bob On 3/14/2018 03:31, Andrea Nettleton via Callers wrote:

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Angela DeCarlis

10:12 a.m.

Quick note to all: while "Right Shoulder 'Round" seems like a mouthful at four syllables, the words are easily spoken in two beats of music (or two and a half depending how you count). It takes only half a beat more to say than common moves like "Balance and Swing" or "Allemande Left," and takes exactly the same amount of time to say as "Go Forward and Back." Common phrases like "With Your Neighbor Dosido" take nearly twice as long to say. So before you judge a phrase as unwieldy, give it a few test runs by yourself, to a beat or to recorded music. :) Angela On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 10:53 AM Bob Hofkin via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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Hi everyone, Here we are once more, sharing our likes and dislikes, our

preferred term (I’ve shared and still like whimsy, but look-see got my attention) of the moment. But why are we circling this wagon again? Though everyone is polite, and thankfully we haven’t begun to rehash whether gypsy is a slur or not, I also see no fresh approach, no new insight, to clarify for one and all a single, simple, right answer. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sure there is one. But I’m positive we won’t get there by having more of the same back and forth we’ve already had. While I R eyelemande my neighbor, you’re going to R shoulder round yours, and as far as I can tell, that’s where we are and will be. Could we please maybe back away from the specifics a bit, and see if we can generate a new way of framing the debate? And if we can’t, just let the experiment continue without rehashing the already well trodden ground?

Thanks, Andrea Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 13, 2018, at 11:53 PM, Cara Sawyer via Callers <

callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> > Jo Mortland of the Chicago Barn Dance group here came up with Dipsy.

Nice and silly and sounds similar enough it requires no explanation. Sort of like Kipsy!

> > Guess what they say about great minds is true! > > Sent using two thumbs > >> On Mar 13, 2018, at 14:41, Perry Shafran via Callers <

callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

>> >> I happen to *like* right shoulder round and have liked it ever since

three callers at a dance event used it and it went rather flawlessly. I like the fact that it is actually descriptive in what you're doing. I think that the more we try to invent made-up words to try to make it sound fun and whimsey, the more we are likely to upset dancers who don't like that we're changing terms as it is. It may *sound* like a boring descriptor, but I feel my job as a caller is to describe the move and let the dancer decide what the mood is going to be for that individual dancer, based on their own feelings and their own connection to the music. So I plan to stick with "right shoulder round".

>> >> Perry >> >> >> From: Martha Wild via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> >> To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:03 PM >> Subject: [Callers] More substitute terms for the g-word >> >> Interesting discussion on the Portland Country Dance Community

Facebook page. Lots of great suggestions. A lot of people really don’t like “right shoulder round” (I’m one of them). I tried one of their suggestions last night - Kipsey - and it worked amazingly well. Easy to say, particularly when you are cutting down the calling to one word (what do you do with right shoulder round? shoulder? Ick.) And everyone can hear the similarity and knows what to do. I had tried spiral for a while and people just seemed confused. The other suggestion that I noticed today was from Susan Michaels - “look-see” That has the virtue of a similar rhyming two syllable call, and it’s upbeat and fun and has emphasis on facing the other person. Check out the discussion. https://www.facebook.com/groups/62950211264/permalink/10155943260651265/

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Don Veino

11:03 a.m.

I've successfully tried both Glance (around) and Swoop (around) with dancers. Several have told me they really liked Swoop and thought it was the best alternative they've heard so far (and I've seen folks having fun making "wings" on the floor as they do it). A caution on terms that explicitly use "eye" in them: we have a regular dancer who is blind and that person and their friends are strongly offended by those terms. As eye locking is styling and not the essential motion, it's not necessary to the call. Also, on some of these sound-alike terms... if I were to call you a "plucking gerk" would you not be offended just the same? I submit for the same reason that a replacement term we settle on should not sound like the original term we're trying to replace. Similar metrics, sure - but not a minor tweak of the original sound. For this reason I've never tried making "Glance" into "Glancey." On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Bob Hofkin via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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I appreciate the reports of what different callers are trying and their degree of success. At the same time, it makes a lot of sense to avoid rehashing the same arguments, as you suggest. Right now, we're in an empirical phase--trial and error--and rapid dissemination of results seems like the way to go. If that process suggests a few good candidates, it might be time to debate their merits. Bob <https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/>

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Linda S. Mrosko

13 Mar 13 Mar

5:42 p.m.

When I introduce the move in Texas, I just say "do a small 'g' gypsy" and then it gives my license to still say gypsy. But a survey of most Texas dancers -- they prefer "gypsy". It's a verb, not a noun/pronoun (whatever). On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Martha Wild via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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Interesting discussion on the Portland Country Dance Community Facebook page. Lots of great suggestions. A lot of people really don’t like “right shoulder round” (I’m one of them). I tried one of their suggestions last night - Kipsey - and it worked amazingly well. Easy to say, particularly when you are cutting down the calling to one word (what do you do with right shoulder round? shoulder? Ick.) And everyone can hear the similarity and knows what to do. I had tried spiral for a while and people just seemed confused. The other suggestion that I noticed today was from Susan Michaels - “look-see” That has the virtue of a similar rhyming two syllable call, and it’s upbeat and fun and has emphasis on facing the other person. Check out the discussion. https://www.facebook.com/groups/62950211264/permalink/ 10155943260651265/ _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/

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Andrea Nettleton
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Bob Hofkin
Cara Sawyer
Chip Hedler
Darwin Gregory
Delia Clark
Don Veino
Donna Hunt
John W Gintell
Kalia Kliban
Linda S. Mrosko
Martha Wild
Perry Shafran
Ric Goldman - Letsdance
Yoyo Zhou