On Sun, Apr 08, 2018, K Panton via Callers wrote:
>
> Here's the dance. the problem is "How do I get neighbours who are beside
> each other in an ocean wave (A1) to the other side of the set for a swing?"
> (A2) (short of calling on Mr. Scott for a teleport)
>
> Return from Vulcan Becket
>
> A1 (8) Cir L 1.0
> (8) Slide left and cir 3/4 the next couple to a wavy line.
> A2 (4,6,8?) (balance wave, not critical) get gent to other side of set with
> neighbour [hmmm... Ladies alle L 1/2, P alle R 1/2, Gents alle L 1/2 - I'm
> not convinced]
> (12,10,8?) N Swing
The standard mechanism for what you want in MWSD would be "Recycle &
Sweep 1/4". That would result in facing couples (long lines).
https://www.tamtwirlers.org/taminations/#link=ms%2Frecycle&name=Recycle%20f…
Problem is that now you have the people you want swinging standing next
to each other rather than facing each other. Also ends up being a LOT of
flow circling left.
Another option would be Square Thru 2 and roll to face. With a balance
on each pull-by, flow works reasonably well. (You could either start
with a wave or leave them as facing couples -- Square Thru is proper from
a wave.)
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Another great option, Jack; and plenty creative.
Thanks.
I can see this will need some blind taste tests!
Now I'm very curious what further solutions may appear.
Ken
On 8 April 2018 at 23:46, Jack Mitchell <jmitchell.nc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I’m with Tom - I think that a wave is going to be too limiting. One thing
> that comes to mind is circle left 3/4, balance the ring, partner roll away
> - swing neighbor. I think that would be a slightly modified Wowee (a la
> Bob Isaacs & friends). I’m sure that others will come up with more creative
> options but that is what came to mind.
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:00 PM K Panton via Callers <
> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> I am need of some choreographic gerrymandering from the braintrust.
>>
>> I have the flow the way I want in a dance that first gelled about 10
>> years but when some folks walked it through for me, more recently, they
>> said, "uh, Ken, I'm not swinging my N, it's my P."
>>
>> "Dang," said I.
>>
>
etc etc etc.
> --
> Jack Mitchell
> Durham, NC
>
I don't think you should make an ocean wave. To get a satisfying swing the dancers will have to do the arm turns as you describe. You have three arm turns which comes to 6 beats and I always allow for two extra beats when there are busy transitions so the dancers would get approx and 8 beat swing, maybe more with energetic, experienced dancers.
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> On Apr 8, 2018, at 8:59 PM, K Panton via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> I am need of some choreographic gerrymandering from the braintrust.
>
> I have the flow the way I want in a dance that first gelled about 10 years but when some folks walked it through for me, more recently, they said, "uh, Ken, I'm not swinging my N, it's my P."
>
> "Dang," said I.
>
> Here's the dance. the problem is "How do I get neighbours who are beside each other in an ocean wave (A1) to the other side of the set for a swing?" (A2) (short of calling on Mr. Scott for a teleport)
>
> So, I need the first half of A2.
>
> Return from Vulcan Becket
>
> A1 (8) Cir L 1.0
> (8) Slide left and cir 3/4 the next couple to a wavy line.
> A2 (4,6,8?) (balance wave, not critical) get gent to other side of set with neighbour [hmmm... Ladies alle L 1/2, P alle R 1/2, Gents alle L 1/2 - I'm not convinced]
> (12,10,8?) N Swing
> B1 (8) Gents alle L 1.5
> (8) Scoop P in star promenade/B'fly Whirl
> B2 (8) Ladies alle R 1.5 while gents orbit CCW
> (8) P Swing
>
>
> Thanks for any ideas.
>
> Ken Panton
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I’m with Tom - I think that a wave is going to be too limiting. One thing
that comes to mind is circle left 3/4, balance the ring, partner roll away
- swing neighbor. I think that would be a slightly modified Wowee (a la
Bob Isaacs & friends). I’m sure that others will come up with more creative
options but that is what came to mind.
On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:00 PM K Panton via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> I am need of some choreographic gerrymandering from the braintrust.
>
> I have the flow the way I want in a dance that first gelled about 10 years
> but when some folks walked it through for me, more recently, they said,
> "uh, Ken, I'm not swinging my N, it's my P."
>
> "Dang," said I.
>
> Here's the dance. the problem is "How do I get neighbours who are beside
> each other in an ocean wave (A1) to the other side of the set for a swing?"
> (A2) (short of calling on Mr. Scott for a teleport)
>
> So, I need the first half of A2.
>
> Return from Vulcan Becket
>
> A1 (8) Cir L 1.0
> (8) Slide left and cir 3/4 the next couple to a wavy line.
> A2 (4,6,8?) (balance wave, not critical) get gent to other side of set
> with neighbour [hmmm... Ladies alle L 1/2, P alle R 1/2, Gents alle L 1/2 -
> I'm not convinced]
> (12,10,8?) N Swing
> B1 (8) Gents alle L 1.5
> (8) Scoop P in star promenade/B'fly Whirl
> B2 (8) Ladies alle R 1.5 while gents orbit CCW
> (8) P Swing
>
>
> Thanks for any ideas.
>
> Ken Panton
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My favorites are:
New England Dancing Masters -
Assembly, Other Side of the Tracks
Any Jig or Reel
Sashay the Donut
Chimes of Dunkirk
(These last two have a lot of children's dances, but many of the tunes are
medleys and can be used for various community & contra dances)
High Clouds, Greenfield Dance Band
Susan Kevra's Full Swing
Richard Forest and Domino (Quebecois music)
Bev Young
Tom, Ben & Jane:
Thanks for your responses; I feel relieved.
The dance I've written is as follows and includes a ring balance followed
by R'n'S then down the hall. the transition A2->B1 will be a bit of a run
(X trails to a ring balance).
Here it is, in case you are curious.
The name? Inspired by Love at First Swing (Bob Isaacs) - the basic
structure is the same - with a, (granted) somewhat forced, allusion to that
first time your new sweetie makes you laugh just as you've taken a large
sip of a fizzy beverage! ha ha :)
*Love at First Snort (Ken Panton, April 2018)*
Improper
*CALL *
*A1*
*(8)*
*Bal the ring; spin R*
*(8)*
*Swing P*
*A2*
*(8)*
*Bal the ring; spin R*
*(8)*
*Swing N*
*B1*
*(8)*
*Bal the ring; x trails*
*(4)*
*with new N, Bal the ring*
*(4)*
*Rip/Snort to line of 4*
*B2*
*(8)*
*Line of 4 down the hall*
*(8)*
*with N, turn as couples and return*
I am need of some choreographic gerrymandering from the braintrust.
I have the flow the way I want in a dance that first gelled about 10 years
but when some folks walked it through for me, more recently, they said,
"uh, Ken, I'm not swinging my N, it's my P."
"Dang," said I.
Here's the dance. the problem is "How do I get neighbours who are beside
each other in an ocean wave (A1) to the other side of the set for a swing?"
(A2) (short of calling on Mr. Scott for a teleport)
So, I need the first half of A2.
Return from Vulcan Becket
A1 (8) Cir L 1.0
(8) Slide left and cir 3/4 the next couple to a wavy line.
A2 (4,6,8?) (balance wave, not critical) get gent to other side of set with
neighbour [hmmm... Ladies alle L 1/2, P alle R 1/2, Gents alle L 1/2 - I'm
not convinced]
(12,10,8?) N Swing
B1 (8) Gents alle L 1.5
(8) Scoop P in star promenade/B'fly Whirl
B2 (8) Ladies alle R 1.5 while gents orbit CCW
(8) P Swing
Thanks for any ideas.
Ken Panton
Hi, Luke,
Great new ideas on 4X4 choreography! In regards to the "Tamlin's Cross," I
think the rollaway-swing transition in A1 would feel less than ideal, or
even awkward because the direction of the rollaway is counter to the
direction of the swing.
I love that transition when the gent is sashaying left and passing a dancer
in the lady role from the gent's left hand to gent's right hand right, then
the gent can catch the other dancer in the lady role in a swing (as in
"Rollin' with Rhode" by Jim Hemphill, "Rollaway Sue" by Bob Isaacs, "Luna
in the Library" by Ron Blechner,""Roll Twelve" by Chris Page, and "Into the
DMZ" by Cary Ravitz, among others). I fear that the rollaway-swing
transition as it is written in "Tamlin's Crossing" wouldn't be as
satisfying as int he dances I listed.
Thank you for your innovations and I look forward to seeing more!
Dugan Murphy
Portland, Maine
dugan at duganmurphy.comwww.DuganMurphy.comwww.PortlandIntownContraDance.com
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 12:16:42 -0400
> From: Luke Donforth <luke.donev(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] New (?) 4x4 contra
>
> Thanks all for the feedback! I'll reach out to Erik and Nils.
>
> As Rick pointed out, the dance could work from standard 4x4 lines; and I
> certainly wouldn't object to folks dancing it that way. In my head, the
> half grand hey precludes this from many dance events, so I figured dancers
> I could toss this at would probably not be thrown by the bent formation.
> But keeping the non-hook moves simple is worthwhile.
>
> I haven't done a Dutch Crossing workshop, although I've been meaning to.
> Nice to see Lisa getting everyone through it, thank you for the link; and
> the reminder to learn Dutch Crossing.
>
> Colin, I don't remember the last time I got to call a 48 bar dance. But if
> I get a band itching to play one, now I've got some things in the quiver.
>
> Jim, I'll admit Heymania is intimidating to me. I like the fixed timing of
> contra, the squishyness of squares is a challenge for me. I'd have to work
> up to that one with some simpler non-musically-square squares.
>
> As for this dance, dropping the balance before the partner swing and
> letting the hey flow into B2 seems the simplest and most forgiving way of
> handling the timing. I like the idea of the reunion moment being marked in
> time though, so that partners know when they're supposed to find each
> other. You could give the hey more time in B1 at the expense of some of the
> neighbor swing. What about the following variation, informed by Chris's
> comments on timing?
>
> Tamlin's Cross (variation)
> 4x4 (lines or bent)
>
> A1
> (4) All 8 go into the middle
> (4) Gents roll partners away on the way out
> (8) Corner Swing, square set
> A2
> (8) Gents left hands across star 1x; gents drop out
> (8) Ladies left hands across star 1x;
> ladies keep hands, and take right hand with corner (making crossed wavy
> lines of 4)
> B1
> (4) Balance the wavy lines of four
> (12) half grand hey, start passing corner you swung by right
> then turn away from corner you swung
> B2
> (16) Partner Balance and Swing
> End the swing facing new couple, having swapped sides with your trail-buddy
> couple
>
> That gives both roles the muscle memory of a left hand star in the middle
> as prep for the handless-star in the hey; which could either be helpful or
> monotonous.
> <digression>
> I wouldn't usually chase a left hand star with a left hand star, but I
> think left will flow better for the gents out of a swing; and I want the
> corners to take right hands (because getting folks to balance left then
> right seems impossible outside of Rory o'More). The two left hand stars
> would also leave some room for silliness on the part of the dancers.
> A2 could be ladies right hand star, then gents left; but I'm not super fond
> of the swing->ladies go in transition. It happens a lot in swing->chain,
> but I don't think it would add to the dance here.
> </digression>
>
> Thanks again for sharing your experience :-)
>
I think you're correct about it taking between 4 and 8 beats (more like 6).
If you want someone to ask, I'm pretty sure Jane Ewing of Alabama wrote a dance with this move in it.
I don't think that we need to be rigid about the names we use today, but I suspect that historically cowboy loop was for four people and rip and snort was for 8. There are callers who have been calling longer than I have and can correct me if I'm wrong.
Tom
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> On Apr 7, 2018, at 1:12 PM, K Panton via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> I've looked in the usual places and came up with only two examples of a dance with a Rip/Snort (Rip 'n' Snort?) but one is inaccessible online.
>
> How many beats does it take to dance a rip/snort for two couples? My brain says 4 is too short and 8 is too long. I found one dance that pairs it with a ring balance for a total of 8 beats.
>
> I haven't access to "Roll Over Johannes" to see how Becky Hill made use of it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ken Panton
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 12:07:55 -0400, K Panton via Callers wrote:
> Thanks to Yoyo for setting me straight, it looks like "treat P as N" does work on The Hobbit. I stand corrected.
I'm relieved that I don't have to introduce a 6th rule! I'll certainly try this dance out when I get a chance.
Colin Hume
