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[Callers] Radio stations

by Brooks Hart via Callers

Hello all. Does anyone know of a radio station that plays contra dance music and streams online? Thanks, Brooks

9 years, 1 month

[Callers] Use of the term gypsy

by Bengtson, Lissa via Callers

Thank you for the clarification from the Voice of Roma. Having learned the dance move and the term, and used it in complete ignorant innocence, I feel sad that it's leaving. But I'm sentimental about the Confederate flag, too and sad that my high school's arch-rival will no longer be Robert E Lee High School. I've just been living my life in a pool of ignorance and not realizing I'm offending people right and left. Lissa Bengtson San Antonio Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 4, 2015, at 3:01 PM, via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > Send Callers mailing list submissions to > callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > callers-request(a)lists.sharedweight.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > callers-owner(a)lists.sharedweight.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Callers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fwd: Use of the word "gypsy" in various folk dances - > Response from Voice of Roma (Martha Wild via Callers) > 2. Re: Fwd: Use of the word "gypsy" in various folk dances - > Response from Voice of Roma (Winston, Alan P. via Callers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:43:31 -0800 > From: Martha Wild via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> > To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Subject: [Callers] Fwd: Use of the word "gypsy" in various folk dances > - Response from Voice of Roma > Message-ID: <E9D55526-AB98-4C9C-AA56-DD67DACF5AF4(a)sbcglobal.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > All, I have received the following response from a representative from the Voice of Roma. This seems to be a pretty definitive response to whether the term is insulting or not to the Roma people. > Martha > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Carol Silverman <csilverm(a)uoregon.edu> >> Subject: Re: Use of the word "gypsy" in various folk dances >> Date: November 3, 2015 7:28:00 PM PST >> To: Martha Wild <mawild(a)sbcglobal.net>, Voice of Roma <voiceofroma(a)gmail.com> >> Cc: Petra Gelbart <petragelbart(a)gmail.com> >> >> Dear Martha, >> Sani Rifati, President of Voice of Roma forwarded you message to me. Although I am not Romani, I am on the Board of VOR and we do care deeply about the terms used for the people we represent. >> A large number of Roma (but not all) are offended by the term Gypsy, especially with a small g. To ?gyp" someone means to steal and swindle; plus the word connotes a false history? it a short for Egyptian whereas Roma are from India. Roma have faced centuries of discrimination, and today are subject to deportations and racial profiling; this would be an opportunity to teach your community a little about their history. >> >> So whatever the history of the dance step, I know that names can be changed by sensitive callers like you. I would urge you to change the names and seize and educational moment! >> Sincerely, Carol Silverman >> PS Check the VOR webs page fro my information: http://www.voiceofroma.com/culture/gyp_vs_rom.html >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Martha Wild <mawild(a)sbcglobal.net> >>> Date: Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 1:56 AM >>> Subject: Use of the word "gypsy" in various folk dances >>> To: voiceofroma(a)gmail.com >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> I am a folk dancer - I do a lot of contra dancing and English Country dance and I call the dances as well. >>> >>> Recently a newcomer who came to a dance at another venue brought to our (a group of caller's that talk about such subjects on a list) attention that we have been using the word gypsy for one of the dance moves in both types of dance. This dancer (not a Roma) came to one of our dances and was upset that we used the term "gypsy" for this dance move, as they felt that the word was insulting to the Roma people. >>> >>> I would like to know if this is the case, as we have never intended to be derogatory to anyone, but lots of dances have this move, and dance names even contain the name, like "The Gypsy Star" and others. >>> >>> The move in question is a move where two people walk around each other and back to place, while facing each other. There is some confusion about origin of the term, but the best guess is that there was an English Country dance called "The Spanish Gypsy" that was written over a hundred years ago, and it was the first to include this move of people walking around each other while facing (prior to that people generally did a "back to back, or what is also called "do-si-do". The move was not called a "gypsy", but because this dance used it and other dances copied it, people called it a "gypsy" because it was the same move that was in that dance. >>> >>> I've been calling these dances for over 25 years and have used this term to indicate this move, never intending anything by it other than as an established name for a dance figure. I am hoping that some of the folks at Voice of Roma could give me an opinion as to whether you find it offensive or not for us to continue to use it. We've been discussing on the web whether we should try to find a different name, but if you feel that this use of the word gypsy is not an issue then we can stop arguing over words like "eddy" or "swirl" and continue to use it. If you do find it offensive, however, I will gladly alter my dance cards to something else so as not to continue to be offensive. >>> >>> Thanks for your input, >>> Martha Wild >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sani Rifati >>> 707/823-7941 >>> http://www.voiceofroma.com >> >> Carol Silverman >> Professor >> Department of Anthropology and >> Folklore Program >> University of Oregon >> Eugene OR 97403-1218 >> Office 541-346-5114 >> Fax 541-346-0668 >> csilverm(a)uoregon.edu > >

9 years, 1 month

[Callers] Fwd: Use of the word "gypsy" in various folk dances - Response from Voice of Roma

by Martha Wild via Callers

All, I have received the following response from a representative from the Voice of Roma. This seems to be a pretty definitive response to whether the term is insulting or not to the Roma people. Martha Begin forwarded message: > From: Carol Silverman <csilverm(a)uoregon.edu> > Subject: Re: Use of the word "gypsy" in various folk dances > Date: November 3, 2015 7:28:00 PM PST > To: Martha Wild <mawild(a)sbcglobal.net>, Voice of Roma <voiceofroma(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Petra Gelbart <petragelbart(a)gmail.com> > > Dear Martha, > Sani Rifati, President of Voice of Roma forwarded you message to me. Although I am not Romani, I am on the Board of VOR and we do care deeply about the terms used for the people we represent. > A large number of Roma (but not all) are offended by the term Gypsy, especially with a small g. To “gyp" someone means to steal and swindle; plus the word connotes a false history— it a short for Egyptian whereas Roma are from India. Roma have faced centuries of discrimination, and today are subject to deportations and racial profiling; this would be an opportunity to teach your community a little about their history. > > So whatever the history of the dance step, I know that names can be changed by sensitive callers like you. I would urge you to change the names and seize and educational moment! > Sincerely, Carol Silverman > PS Check the VOR webs page fro my information: http://www.voiceofroma.com/culture/gyp_vs_rom.html > > > >> >> > > >> From: Martha Wild <mawild(a)sbcglobal.net> >> Date: Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 1:56 AM >> Subject: Use of the word "gypsy" in various folk dances >> To: voiceofroma(a)gmail.com >> >> >> Hi, >> I am a folk dancer - I do a lot of contra dancing and English Country dance and I call the dances as well. >> >> Recently a newcomer who came to a dance at another venue brought to our (a group of caller's that talk about such subjects on a list) attention that we have been using the word gypsy for one of the dance moves in both types of dance. This dancer (not a Roma) came to one of our dances and was upset that we used the term "gypsy" for this dance move, as they felt that the word was insulting to the Roma people. >> >> I would like to know if this is the case, as we have never intended to be derogatory to anyone, but lots of dances have this move, and dance names even contain the name, like "The Gypsy Star" and others. >> >> The move in question is a move where two people walk around each other and back to place, while facing each other. There is some confusion about origin of the term, but the best guess is that there was an English Country dance called "The Spanish Gypsy" that was written over a hundred years ago, and it was the first to include this move of people walking around each other while facing (prior to that people generally did a "back to back, or what is also called "do-si-do". The move was not called a "gypsy", but because this dance used it and other dances copied it, people called it a "gypsy" because it was the same move that was in that dance. >> >> I've been calling these dances for over 25 years and have used this term to indicate this move, never intending anything by it other than as an established name for a dance figure. I am hoping that some of the folks at Voice of Roma could give me an opinion as to whether you find it offensive or not for us to continue to use it. We've been discussing on the web whether we should try to find a different name, but if you feel that this use of the word gypsy is not an issue then we can stop arguing over words like "eddy" or "swirl" and continue to use it. If you do find it offensive, however, I will gladly alter my dance cards to something else so as not to continue to be offensive. >> >> Thanks for your input, >> Martha Wild >> >> >> >> -- >> Sani Rifati >> 707/823-7941 >> http://www.voiceofroma.com > > Carol Silverman > Professor > Department of Anthropology and > Folklore Program > University of Oregon > Eugene OR 97403-1218 > Office 541-346-5114 > Fax 541-346-0668 > csilverm(a)uoregon.edu >

9 years, 1 month

Re: [Callers] Gypsy perception

by John Meechan via Callers

I am calling in the UK and have had positive feedback from Romany gypsies about using the term ‘gypsy’ and I will continue to do so until I get some advice to the contrary from a Romany gypsy in the UK. John Meechan Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Harris Lapiroff via Callers Sent: 03 November 2015 19:22 To: Donald Perley Cc: callers Subject: Re: [Callers] Gypsy perception To quote the Gypsy Council website you have shared: "In the UK today we are proud to be Gypsy's but in Europe many people regard the term Gypsy as a term of abuse and prefer to be called Roma or to be called by the name of their individual group, such as Kalderash or Sinti." On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Donald Perley via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I'd say I'm putting it in the context of a bigger picture, in multiple dimensions. I would call diving right into which phrase should replace gypsy before there is any agreement that it should be replaced passive-aggressive. Go ahead and discuss.. as someone else posted, a national group in Britain uses the term in their web address http://www.gypsy-association.co.uk/ so maybe you can pop in there and ask whether they find others using the term in a non-derogatory way offensive. Personally, I look at the situation with African-Americans. There have been many iterations of a term being offensive and deemed impolite. A new term comes into use, but if the same people hold the same ill feelings with the new term, it also becomes derogatory in a few years. Rinse and repeat; you haven't fixed anything. If a term has its roots in disparagement, (say, "nigger" as a demeaning variation on negro) then it is offensive from the start. I don't think that's the case with gypsy. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Donald, > > I am reading your comments as an attempt solely at shutting up other people. > Is this your intent? It also comes off pretty passive aggressive. That is > *not* appreciated and *not* helpful. > > Disagree all you like, but if you don't want to participate in a discussion, > please don't interfere with others who do. > > Respectfully, > Ron Blechner > > On Nov 3, 2015 9:06 AM, "Donald Perley via Callers" > <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Aahz Maruch via Callers >> >> > I have to admit that technically your argument is correct WRT me, but >> > that's because I haven't been contra dancing at all (except for Queer >> > Contra Dance Camp). Instead, I've been focusing my time/energy on >> > learning to call MWSD, which leaves this as my only outlet for contra >> > dancing. ;-) >> >> Like I said, more into the crusade than the dance. >> >> While we're at it, more offensive terms that may need replacing: >> >> Chain - represents slavery >> Cast(e) - discrimination affecting a billion Indians >> Swing - derogatory term for swapping sexual partners. >> >> I notice that in quotes from the original complainant who spurred this >> subject, he never claimed to be Roma himself, and it was a little >> unclear whether he was more offended by just the term gypsy, or the >> implication that same-gender gypsies would be flirting with each >> other. >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

9 years, 1 month

Re: [Callers] Gypsy perception

by Harris Lapiroff via Callers

To quote the Gypsy Council website <http://www.gypsy-association.co.uk/gypsy.html> you have shared: "In the UK today we are proud to be Gypsy's but in Europe many people regard the term Gypsy as a term of abuse and prefer to be called Roma or to be called by the name of their individual group, such as Kalderash or Sinti." On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Donald Perley via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > I'd say I'm putting it in the context of a bigger picture, in multiple > dimensions. > > I would call diving right into which phrase should replace gypsy > before there is any agreement that it should be replaced > passive-aggressive. > > Go ahead and discuss.. as someone else posted, a national group in > Britain uses the term in their web address > http://www.gypsy-association.co.uk/ so maybe you can pop in there and > ask whether they find others using the term in a non-derogatory way > offensive. > > Personally, I look at the situation with African-Americans. There > have been many iterations of a term being offensive and deemed > impolite. A new term comes into use, but if the same people hold the > same ill feelings with the new term, it also becomes derogatory in a > few years. Rinse and repeat; you haven't fixed anything. > If a term has its roots in disparagement, (say, "nigger" as a > demeaning variation on negro) then it is offensive from the start. I > don't think that's the case with gypsy. > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Donald, > > > > I am reading your comments as an attempt solely at shutting up other > people. > > Is this your intent? It also comes off pretty passive aggressive. That is > > *not* appreciated and *not* helpful. > > > > Disagree all you like, but if you don't want to participate in a > discussion, > > please don't interfere with others who do. > > > > Respectfully, > > Ron Blechner > > > > On Nov 3, 2015 9:06 AM, "Donald Perley via Callers" > > <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Aahz Maruch via Callers > >> > >> > I have to admit that technically your argument is correct WRT me, but > >> > that's because I haven't been contra dancing at all (except for Queer > >> > Contra Dance Camp). Instead, I've been focusing my time/energy on > >> > learning to call MWSD, which leaves this as my only outlet for contra > >> > dancing. ;-) > >> > >> Like I said, more into the crusade than the dance. > >> > >> While we're at it, more offensive terms that may need replacing: > >> > >> Chain - represents slavery > >> Cast(e) - discrimination affecting a billion Indians > >> Swing - derogatory term for swapping sexual partners. > >> > >> I notice that in quotes from the original complainant who spurred this > >> subject, he never claimed to be Roma himself, and it was a little > >> unclear whether he was more offended by just the term gypsy, or the > >> implication that same-gender gypsies would be flirting with each > >> other. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Callers mailing list > >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >

9 years, 1 month

Re: [Callers] Gypsy perception

by Donald Perley via Callers

I'd say I'm putting it in the context of a bigger picture, in multiple dimensions. I would call diving right into which phrase should replace gypsy before there is any agreement that it should be replaced passive-aggressive. Go ahead and discuss.. as someone else posted, a national group in Britain uses the term in their web address http://www.gypsy-association.co.uk/ so maybe you can pop in there and ask whether they find others using the term in a non-derogatory way offensive. Personally, I look at the situation with African-Americans. There have been many iterations of a term being offensive and deemed impolite. A new term comes into use, but if the same people hold the same ill feelings with the new term, it also becomes derogatory in a few years. Rinse and repeat; you haven't fixed anything. If a term has its roots in disparagement, (say, "nigger" as a demeaning variation on negro) then it is offensive from the start. I don't think that's the case with gypsy. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Donald, > > I am reading your comments as an attempt solely at shutting up other people. > Is this your intent? It also comes off pretty passive aggressive. That is > *not* appreciated and *not* helpful. > > Disagree all you like, but if you don't want to participate in a discussion, > please don't interfere with others who do. > > Respectfully, > Ron Blechner > > On Nov 3, 2015 9:06 AM, "Donald Perley via Callers" > <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Aahz Maruch via Callers >> >> > I have to admit that technically your argument is correct WRT me, but >> > that's because I haven't been contra dancing at all (except for Queer >> > Contra Dance Camp). Instead, I've been focusing my time/energy on >> > learning to call MWSD, which leaves this as my only outlet for contra >> > dancing. ;-) >> >> Like I said, more into the crusade than the dance. >> >> While we're at it, more offensive terms that may need replacing: >> >> Chain - represents slavery >> Cast(e) - discrimination affecting a billion Indians >> Swing - derogatory term for swapping sexual partners. >> >> I notice that in quotes from the original complainant who spurred this >> subject, he never claimed to be Roma himself, and it was a little >> unclear whether he was more offended by just the term gypsy, or the >> implication that same-gender gypsies would be flirting with each >> other. >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

9 years, 1 month

Re: [Callers] Gypsy perception

by Ron Blechner via Callers

Donald, I am reading your comments as an attempt solely at shutting up other people. Is this your intent? It also comes off pretty passive aggressive. That is *not* appreciated and *not* helpful. Disagree all you like, but if you don't want to participate in a discussion, please don't interfere with others who do. Respectfully, Ron Blechner On Nov 3, 2015 9:06 AM, "Donald Perley via Callers" < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Aahz Maruch via Callers > > > I have to admit that technically your argument is correct WRT me, but > > that's because I haven't been contra dancing at all (except for Queer > > Contra Dance Camp). Instead, I've been focusing my time/energy on > > learning to call MWSD, which leaves this as my only outlet for contra > > dancing. ;-) > > Like I said, more into the crusade than the dance. > > While we're at it, more offensive terms that may need replacing: > > Chain - represents slavery > Cast(e) - discrimination affecting a billion Indians > Swing - derogatory term for swapping sexual partners. > > I notice that in quotes from the original complainant who spurred this > subject, he never claimed to be Roma himself, and it was a little > unclear whether he was more offended by just the term gypsy, or the > implication that same-gender gypsies would be flirting with each > other. > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >

9 years, 1 month

Re: [Callers] Gypsy perception

by Aahz Maruch via Callers

On Mon, Nov 02, 2015, Donald Perley wrote: > > It often seems like people on contra email lists and facebook get more > joy from seeking problems to fix it through political correctness than > they do from dancing itself. I'm sure it seems that way to *you*. Then again, I'm sure you used the same argument style thirty years ago when people started complaining about "faggot". Perhaps you might want to consider that some of us get joy out of bringing more people into contra dancing, and part of the way we do that is to make contra dancing more welcoming and inclusive. Just to be clear: I am not -- yet -- arguing that we *should* change "gypsy", I'm simply poking holes in the arguments of people who ridicule this discussion. I have to admit that technically your argument is correct WRT me, but that's because I haven't been contra dancing at all (except for Queer Contra Dance Camp). Instead, I've been focusing my time/energy on learning to call MWSD, which leaves this as my only outlet for contra dancing. ;-) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html

9 years, 1 month

[Callers] dances in unusual formations

by Donna Hunt via Callers

Hi I'm doing a workshop on dances "outside the box" (ie, no squares or contras). Anyone have any interesting dances for contra dancers that fit the criteria? I have Tom Hinds "Hexitation" and several triplets, a Zia and a Tempest, and have looked through the Ralph Page weekend glossary, but I'm wondering if you were doing a workshop like this, what would be your top pick of a dance? Thanks Donna Hunt

9 years, 1 month

Re: [Callers] Fwd: Itty-bitty dances, triplets, odd numbers

by Jerome Grisanti via Callers

I was recently calling dances at a small gathering using recorded music, and I altered the duple minor English dance "Easter Morn" just slightly to dance it as a triplet. In the B2, instead of ones leading down and casting back, I had the ones cross and cast down once place (to the bottom, threes moving up), and everyone turn two hands once round. I think the dancers found the A2 stars (ones in the middle star right with the couple below, then star left the couple above) to be less confusing than in the longways version. And as you probably know, the music is lovely. --Jerome Jerome Grisanti 660-528-0858 http://www.jeromegrisanti.com "There's no point in being unhappy about things you can't change, and no point being unhappy about things you can."

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