Maia:
I can help you with one of those:
Square Route
Improper, Chris Page and Bob Isaacs, 7/31/15
A1. Neighbor balance, swing
A2. Balance, Petronella, L square through three
B1. Partner balance, swing
B2. Balance, Petronella, L square through three and go on to the next
Bob
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Subject: [Callers] In search of some dances
Hi there hivemind,
I'm in search of the following dances and would be grateful to anyone who can help me out:
1) Cupid's Clout (...Cupid's Cloud? Something like that? A lovely flowy dance with pousettes)
2) Square Route (petronella spin --> 3 changes of a square thru)
3) Looking for name and author of:
A1: circle L 3/4
N swing
A2: long lines
square thru 2
B1: next N. bal & box the gnat
gents allemande L 1 1/2
B2: P b&s
Happy merry etc.,
Maia
On 16-12-24 10:48 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers wrote:
> Hi there hivemind,
>
> I'm in search of the following dances and would be grateful to anyone who
> can help me out:
> 1) Cupid's Clout (...Cupid's Cloud? Something like that? A lovely flowy
> dance with pousettes)
Jim Hemphill's "Cupid's Hey" has pousettes:
http://www.childgrove.org/index.php/mo-dances/jim-hemphill/
> 2) Square Route (petronella spin --> 3 changes of a square thru)
Don't know.
> 3) Looking for name and author of:
>
> A1: circle L 3/4
> N swing
> A2: long lines
> square thru 2
> B1: next N. bal & box the gnat
> gents allemande L 1 1/2
> B2: P b&s
One possibility is that it's the 'becketization' of a ones-improper dance
that begins when you meet your next neighbor:
A1: N. bal & box the gnat
gents allemande L 1 1/2
A2: P b&s
B1: circle L 3/4
N swing
B2: long lines
square thru 2
This is pretty close to "Dancy Nancy" by Katy Heine:
http://wayback.archive.org/web/20160109193319/http://katyheine.com/#dancy
It's also similar to your own "Treasure of the Soda Bar":
http://contra.maiamccormick.com/dances.html#treasureofthesodabar
And the first three-quarters are identical to those of:
-- "Bristol Court" by Melanie Axel-Lute:
http://www.maxellute.net/Bristol.html
-- and "Traveling Salesman" by John Coffman:
https://sites.google.com/site/capecontradance/home/contra-dances-by-john-co…
-Michael
Hi there hivemind,
I'm in search of the following dances and would be grateful to anyone who
can help me out:
1) Cupid's Clout (...Cupid's Cloud? Something like that? A lovely flowy
dance with pousettes)
2) Square Route (petronella spin --> 3 changes of a square thru)
3) Looking for name and author of:
A1: circle L 3/4
N swing
A2: long lines
square thru 2
B1: next N. bal & box the gnat
gents allemande L 1 1/2
B2: P b&s
Happy merry etc.,
Maia
Instead of Ladies Dosido 1 & 1/2 I always teach Ladies Dosido then Pass
Through (by the Right Shoulder). That makes it clearer as to where they are
heading (especially if they like spinning their Dosidos!).
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Bill Olson wrote, regarding the dance
"Three Thirty-Three [Thirty-Three]":
> I personally like the original
[with
B2 Long Lines F&B, Ladies dosido 1.5
]
> best of all and don't really think it's hard to teach if you pay attention to telling everyone where they're going to end up after B2 (basically that the Women are crossing the set to find new Neighbors).
I agree that one of the keys to teaching the do-si-so in B2
is to let people know where they're going to end up, and in
particular to get the ladies to identify their next neighbors.
However, once they have identified their next neighbors, there
is a danger that some ladies will want to do the do-si-do with
their next neighbor lady. So be sure to call their attention
back to the other lady in their current foursome before you
walk them through the do-si-do. Also if you use the word
"diagonal" in describing the do-si-do, be sure to make it
clear (in words the dancers will easily understand and at a
time when you have their attention) that you're talking about
a diagonal within their current foursome. Contra dancers are
more accustomed to hearing the word "diagonal" used for an
action involving a couple from the next foursome up or down
the set.
And now a word about *Fractions*:
The action at the end of B2 is notated as being once and a half
because it causes two ladies to exchange places (along a slight
left diagonal within their foursome). But in contra dancing we
more commonly use "ladies do-si-do once and a half" to describe
an action that would take them (from the same starting position)
to their current neighbor gent, as in this example from "Scout
House Reel":
A2. ...
Ladies chain [across] to partner
B1. Ladies do-si-so 1.5
Neighbors swing
The usage in the description of "Scout House Reel" is based on
an unspoken convention that when dancers start from facing
couples, we often calculate the ending position of a action for
the two ladies or an action for the two gents as if the two
participants were starting out directly across the set from
each other.
While it is arguably technically more accurate to use the
words "once and a half" to describe an action like the do-si-do
in B2 of "Three Thirty-Three" than to use them for an action
the do-si-do in the B1 of "Scout House Reel", the latter usage
is certainly more common. In practice, I think that using any
*other* fraction (such as 1 3/8 or 1 5/8) to describe either of
those actions would be more confusing for the dancers. So the
only good way to distinguish the two actions, and particularly
to describe the less common one, is to give some additional
information besides the nominal amount (1 1/2) of do-si-do.
The obvious additional information would be who you meet next
and where you meet them.
* * * * * * * * * *
Analogous remarks to the ones above apply for teaching the gents'
allemande at the end of "Thanks to the Gene" by Tom Hinds.
--Jim
I agree with Mark! This is a fabulous dance as it is and the dosido for the
women is just hard enough to be a fun challenge. (When I was a new dancer,
dosido 1 1/2 was the hardest move for me to do gracefully and on time. I
was so happy when I got it right!) When the caller teaches the alternate
B2, I hide my disappointment, but its not as satisfying as the original.
On Friday, December 16, 2016, Mark Hillegonds via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have always used the original version and don't ever recall the dancers
> having trouble with the DSD progression. While I respect and admire the
> folks creating variants they find helpful for their needs, for me, if it
> ain't broke, I'm not going to fix it.
>
> Also, I must say that pleased me greatly to see Maia's reference to my
> home town of Ann Arbor!!! :)
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2016 4:27 PM, "Maia McCormick via Callers" <
> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net');>> wrote:
>
> Fwiw, if I were to write a variation of 3-33-33 (and wanted to avoid
> ladies chain/star L), I'd do a figure like in Al Olson's 'Ann Arbor Four':
> long lines (8), P alle. R 3/4 (4), ladies alle. L 1/2 (4). Agreed that
> ladies' allemande L out of long lines, while there's no reason it doesn't
> flow, is bizarrely counterintuitive!
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Bill Olson via Callers <
> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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>
>> Hi Kalia, yep, I agree.. I guess I should have said more about why I
>> preferred the original.. Anyway this is a great dance, a modern classic,
>> and i call it often..
>>
>>
>> bill
>>
>>
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>> *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Variations of 3-33 by Steve Zakon-Anderson
>>
>> On 12/16/2016 11:48 AM, Bill Olson via Callers wrote:
>> > 3-33-33
>> >
>> > Steve Zakon (Duple improper)
>> > A1 Balance N1, N1 pull by R, N2 pull by L , N3 Balance, box the gnat
>> > A2 N3 pull by R, N2 pull by L, N1 swing
>> > B1 Circle L 3/4, Partner Swing
>> > B2 Long Lines F&B, Ladies dosido 1.5
>> >
>> > I'm aware of a "fix" to 333 where the W DSD 1.5 at the end of B2 was
>> > replaced by a W allem L 1.5.. I think I remember talking to Steve about
>> > this and he referred to this as an "approved alternative" HIMSELF..
>>
>> I've both danced and called this alternate ending, and that allemande L
>> is pretty counterintuitive for the women. It causes some glitches as
>> folks fight with their natural instinct to allemande R. It works, but
>> you'll need to be really clear with the dancers that it's the
>> non-obvious hand there.
>>
>> Kalia
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Hi,
I have always used the original version and don't ever recall the dancers
having trouble with the DSD progression. While I respect and admire the
folks creating variants they find helpful for their needs, for me, if it
ain't broke, I'm not going to fix it.
Also, I must say that pleased me greatly to see Maia's reference to my home
town of Ann Arbor!!! :)
On Dec 16, 2016 4:27 PM, "Maia McCormick via Callers" <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Fwiw, if I were to write a variation of 3-33-33 (and wanted to avoid ladies
chain/star L), I'd do a figure like in Al Olson's 'Ann Arbor Four': long
lines (8), P alle. R 3/4 (4), ladies alle. L 1/2 (4). Agreed that ladies'
allemande L out of long lines, while there's no reason it doesn't flow, is
bizarrely counterintuitive!
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Bill Olson via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Hi Kalia, yep, I agree.. I guess I should have said more about why I
> preferred the original.. Anyway this is a great dance, a modern classic,
> and i call it often..
>
>
> bill
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Callers <callers-bounces(a)lists.sharedweight.net> on behalf of
> Kalia Kliban via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2016 9:05 PM
> *To:* callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Variations of 3-33 by Steve Zakon-Anderson
>
> On 12/16/2016 11:48 AM, Bill Olson via Callers wrote:
> > 3-33-33
> >
> > Steve Zakon (Duple improper)
> > A1 Balance N1, N1 pull by R, N2 pull by L , N3 Balance, box the gnat
> > A2 N3 pull by R, N2 pull by L, N1 swing
> > B1 Circle L 3/4, Partner Swing
> > B2 Long Lines F&B, Ladies dosido 1.5
> >
> > I'm aware of a "fix" to 333 where the W DSD 1.5 at the end of B2 was
> > replaced by a W allem L 1.5.. I think I remember talking to Steve about
> > this and he referred to this as an "approved alternative" HIMSELF..
>
> I've both danced and called this alternate ending, and that allemande L
> is pretty counterintuitive for the women. It causes some glitches as
> folks fight with their natural instinct to allemande R. It works, but
> you'll need to be really clear with the dancers that it's the
> non-obvious hand there.
>
> Kalia
>
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Fwiw, if I were to write a variation of 3-33-33 (and wanted to avoid ladies
chain/star L), I'd do a figure like in Al Olson's 'Ann Arbor Four': long
lines (8), P alle. R 3/4 (4), ladies alle. L 1/2 (4). Agreed that ladies'
allemande L out of long lines, while there's no reason it doesn't flow, is
bizarrely counterintuitive!
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Bill Olson via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Hi Kalia, yep, I agree.. I guess I should have said more about why I
> preferred the original.. Anyway this is a great dance, a modern classic,
> and i call it often..
>
>
> bill
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Callers <callers-bounces(a)lists.sharedweight.net> on behalf of
> Kalia Kliban via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 16, 2016 9:05 PM
> *To:* callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Variations of 3-33 by Steve Zakon-Anderson
>
> On 12/16/2016 11:48 AM, Bill Olson via Callers wrote:
> > 3-33-33
> >
> > Steve Zakon (Duple improper)
> > A1 Balance N1, N1 pull by R, N2 pull by L , N3 Balance, box the gnat
> > A2 N3 pull by R, N2 pull by L, N1 swing
> > B1 Circle L 3/4, Partner Swing
> > B2 Long Lines F&B, Ladies dosido 1.5
> >
> > I'm aware of a "fix" to 333 where the W DSD 1.5 at the end of B2 was
> > replaced by a W allem L 1.5.. I think I remember talking to Steve about
> > this and he referred to this as an "approved alternative" HIMSELF..
>
> I've both danced and called this alternate ending, and that allemande L
> is pretty counterintuitive for the women. It causes some glitches as
> folks fight with their natural instinct to allemande R. It works, but
> you'll need to be really clear with the dancers that it's the
> non-obvious hand there.
>
> Kalia
>
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On 12/16/2016 11:48 AM, Bill Olson via Callers wrote:
> 3-33-33
>
> Steve Zakon (Duple improper)
> A1 Balance N1, N1 pull by R, N2 pull by L , N3 Balance, box the gnat
> A2 N3 pull by R, N2 pull by L, N1 swing
> B1 Circle L 3/4, Partner Swing
> B2 Long Lines F&B, Ladies dosido 1.5
>
> I'm aware of a "fix" to 333 where the W DSD 1.5 at the end of B2 was
> replaced by a W allem L 1.5.. I think I remember talking to Steve about
> this and he referred to this as an "approved alternative" HIMSELF..
I've both danced and called this alternate ending, and that allemande L
is pretty counterintuitive for the women. It causes some glitches as
folks fight with their natural instinct to allemande R. It works, but
you'll need to be really clear with the dancers that it's the
non-obvious hand there.
Kalia
Dugan,
I have seen what you call 4-44 called by others as a variation of 3-33, but I do not know if it actually exists as another dance with a different title, or just as a variation of 3-33.
Perry
From: Dugan Murphy via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:12 PM
Subject: [Callers] Variations of 3-33 by Steve Zakon-Anderson
Dear Shared Weighters,
I wanted to call "3-33" by Steve Zakon-Anderson recently, but with a different B2 progression that would be easier for dancers to execute and for me to teach. Does this dance already exist under another title? If not, I'd like to call it "4-44" to present it in clear homage to Steve's creation.
4-44 by Dugan Murphy
A1 Neighbor one right hand balance (4); pull by right (2); neighbor two pull by left (2); Neighbor three right hand balance (4); box the gnat (4)A2 Neighbor three pull by right (2); Neighbor 2 pull by left (2); Neighbor one swing (12)B1 Circle left three places (8); Partner swing (8)B2 Ladies chain (8); Left hand star (8)
Please let me know if this sequence already has a name.
I am already aware of "334" by Diane Silver
A1 Neighbor one right hand balance (4); pull by right (2); neighbor two pull by left (2); Neighbor three right hand balance (4); box the gnat (4)A2 Neighbor three pull by right (2); Neighbor 2 pull by left (2); Neighbor one swing (12)B1 Gents left hand allemande 1.5 (8); Partner swing (8)B2 Circle left three places (8); Balance the ring (4); Partner California twirl (4)
Question two: are there other 3-33-inspired dances out there you know about?
Dugan MurphyPortland, Maine
dugan at duganmurphy.comwww.PortlandIntownContraDance.comwww.NufSed.consulting
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