The feel/facing may be different, but these usages appear to pretty much
align with classic circle to zig/zag patterns as well?
[snip]
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:58 AM Luke Donforth via Callers <
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> Alan, I agree that dolphin poussette is an apt description for what's
> going on; and concur that it probably wouldn't help all the dancers (and
> less so in Contra than in English, I think).
>
> The star bursts as envisioned below definitely have a dolphin hey
> poussette feel, with the two couples curving around each other.
>
> Here's another triplet with a star burst.
>
> [/snip]
>
Just getting to my email now.
I have an ECD with a similar move - star into couples chase out, swap leads, come back in; in my dance, they go around each other, so it's clearly a poussette variation.
I tried calling it "dolphin poussette" but that really doesn't speak to people; another caller tried "couples chase out, turn right about and head back in" which got people to the right place but in a more angular way than I'd envisioned.
Here's my dance (with terminology from 2010; substitute "shoulder round" and preferred role names where appropriate).
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SOUTHWIND
Longways duple minor IMPROPER
Southwind (flowing waltz) 16-bar A, 16-bar B, no repeats.
7/1/2010 - Radically revised 6/14/2011, words revised 10/16/2011.
A: 1-4: Neighbors right hand turn 1x, launching women into
5-6: half-gypsy R finishing inside set line, facing neighbor
7-8: All chassee up or down to change places with partner while looking at
neighbor, finish facing partner.
9-12: Partners left hand turn 1x, launching women into
13-14: half-gypsy L, finishing inside set line facing partner
15-16: All chassee up or down to change places with neighbor (to home place),
while looking at partner, finish facing in.
B: 1-4:right hand star 1x which leaves men
facing out, partners behind them
5-8: "Dolphin Poussette":
Partners lead individually the way they're facing
cast right to face the other way
lead individually into progressed place and women (now in lead)
loop right while men continue forward to face in into
9-12: Partners gypsy right shoulder once round into
13-16: Partners two-hand turn once round and open to face new neighbors.
Notes: You could also describe the women's half-gypsy as a "hole in the wall"
cross but they may want to back out to the set line if you do that. Recommend
demo as early part of instruction.
The "dolphin poussette" is fairly hard to get across in words, but it does have
that "dolphin hey" sense of changing leads. The paths are roughly parallel.
Breakdown is something like this:
5: each lead three steps out; at end women are on the men's set line while
men are well out from the set line)
6: both start right shoulder cast; man's, on the wider track, gets halfway
to neighbor's place while woman's gets all the way
7: man finishes cast still well out from set line while
woman crosses set to progressed place facing out
8: man takes three steps forward to set line while
woman loops right through her place to face in.
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Anyway, for your use case, maybe "turn the star once around, stay facing the way the star leaves you. Single-file in couples, go straight out, individually turn up and go up, individually turn in, and walk in until you're back in the set in a new spot."
Star burst is a nice name!
-- Alan
On 3/8/2019 9:28 AM, Luke Donforth via Callers wrote:
Thank you all, for your thoughts and discussion, and I do like the name star burst.
As I'd envisioned it, the path on the floor is very much like a poussette, but the dancers wouldn't be holding hands. It's almost like the tandem turn in a dolphin hey; but with motion up and down the hall. I think of zig-zag when there's lateral movement relative to the direction the dancers are looking, which this doesn't have either. So yeah, it's a blender-mix of a bunch of different stuff.
I'd be curious to hear more from the square dance callers on the list about the Tag the Line analogy; although I'm unlikely to call it a half-tag.
The triplet that inspired it will unfortunately probably not see much use. I'll let folks know if I ever successfully (or unsuccessfully) run it.
I'll see if I can work a star burst into another choreography.
Star Burst Triplet
by: Luke Donforth
Proper triplet, 123->231
A1 -----------
(8) Lines of three, forward and back
(8) Partner Do-si-do
A2 -----------
2s:
(8) Lady round two and the gent cut through around 1s above
(8) Gent round two and the lady cut through around 3s below
B1 -----------
(8) 1s & 2s Left hand Star at the top
(8) 2s & 3s Right hand Star at the bottom
B2 -----------
(6) Star-burst: 1s walk to bottom while 2s and 3s make space and move up
(12) partner swing, end facing up
Notes: The B2 star-burst: 2s and 3s make room by continuing their direction out of the star.
2s curve up and left, slotting into the 1s position
3s curve up and right, slotting into the 2s position
animation of it:
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/292197780/
Thanks again all for kicking it around with me.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 4:30 PM Luke Donforth <luke.donev(a)gmail.com<mailto:luke.donev@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi All,
I'm playing around with choreographing triplets, and I've got a sequence that I think would flow well; but I'm not sure how to teach it short of a demo.
The idea is that couples 2 & 3 do a star. Out of that star, they move out, up, and back in; leaving space in the middle for couple 1 to move to the bottom.
I put together an animation of it:
https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/292197780/
Is that already a defined move? What would you call it? How would you teach it?
Thanks for your thoughts!
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So asking one of the most asked questions on this list? "Anyone seen this dance before?" It came to me as I was preparing for the Norwich, VT dance and I called it last night. Thanks!
Spring Forward – Impr. contra (doubleprogresssion)
A1: Neighbor B & S
A2: Ladies Ch across; Ladies Ch back
B1: Long Lines F & B; 1s swing (end facing down)
B2: (with newneighbors) Circle Clockwise 1full hour; Bal. the ring and Spring forward to next
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Or a less balance-y alternative:
Too Rich for Me - DI - Don Veino 20190310
A1 (GNT/LRK face out) Long Wave Balance
Gents Loop Right *WHILE* LDY/RVN Allemande Left 1x and step into GNT/LRK's
original spot
Long Wave Balance, Box Circulate (GNT/LRK cross, LDY/RNV loop)
A2 PNR Right Shoulder Around & Swing
B1 Circle Left 3/4x, NBR Swing
B2 LLF&B
LDY/RVN Pass Right Half Hey into long waves (prior NBR LH, RH to new)
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 3:38 PM Isaac Banner via Callers
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>
> Hey all,
>
> I've felt like most box circulate dances use the circulate as a buildup into a swing with someone. Looking at http://www.contra.dance/thecallersbox, there are only 12 results for dances with a circulate that isn't followed by a swing and 9 of those results don't include their choreography (grumble grumble), so I can't actually confirm that they belong in the result set.
>
> I feel like there's a lot of potential for dances that have box circulates followed by something other than a swing. Here are a few I've been messing with:
It's hard.
Box circulates often tend to be done in pairs. And you can't (or
shouldn't) transition directly from swing to long waves. So, you've
already got:
Swing one
Eight-beat connector to swing two
Swing two
Eight beat (or 16) transition to long waves
Box circulate
Box Circulate
This leaves 8 to 16 beats to do something after the circulate, which
needs to go directly into a swing. You also need to fit in a
progression somewhere.
Or you could dispose of the neighbor swing, which gives you some
breathing room. The other issue is that the circulate is unusual
enough that it tends to be the signature figure of a dance, with other
figures supporting it.
I did write one, "Out of Circulation", which went from a circulate
directly into a half hey into a swing.
-Chris Page
San Diego
I like it - this is what quickly came to mind after Rich's post. A part
timing is pretty tight but the momentum/connections throughout should help?
Riffing on Richness - DI - Don Veino 20190310
A1 (GNT/LRK face out) Long Wave Balance
Gents Loop Right *WHILE* LDY/RVN Allemande Left 1x and step into GNT/LRK's
original spot
Long Wave Balance, Box Circulate (GNT/LRK cross, LDY/RNV loop)
A2 (GNT/LRK face out) Long Wave Balance
Gents Loop Right *WHILE* LDY/RVN Allemande Left 1x back to PNR
PNR Swing
B1 Circle Left 3/4x, NBR Swing
B2 LLF&B
LDY/RVN Pass Right Half Hey into long waves (prior NBR LH, RH to new)
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 12:40 PM Rich Sbardella via Callers <
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> "Scootback" would be another easy option after a box circulate for contra
> dance. Here is an example:
> Balance wave, Those facing in Allemande (L/R), comeback to same wave and
> swing (P/N). Those facing out simply flip and await the swing.
>
> Here is another with two consecutive scootbacks, but a balance can be
> inserted between the scootbacks as well. Balance Wave, Those facing in
> allemande outfacers loop. The new dancers facing in now allemande while
> the new outfaces flip. Both dancers meet for a swing after the second
> scootbback.
>
> I wonder if Bob Isaacs has written one yet?
>
> By Callerlab definition Scootbpck is 6 beats/steps, but they are often
> danced in four beats/steps when followed by another scootback or a swing.
>
> Rich Sbardella
> Stafford, CT
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 11:00 AM Aahz via Callers <
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>
>> On Fri, Mar 08, 2019, Isaac Banner via Callers wrote:
>> >
>> > I've felt like most box circulate dances use the circulate as a buildup
>> > into a swing with *someone*. Looking at
>> > http://www.contra.dance/thecallersbox, there are only 12 results for
>> dances
>> > with a circulate that isn't followed by a swing and 9 of those results
>> > don't include their choreography (grumble grumble), so I can't actually
>> > confirm that they belong in the result set.
>>
>> Square dancing has lots of options, but a lot of those options rely on
>> eight dancers in the group. Two options that seem suitable for contra
>> dance:
>>
>> * outfacers run
>>
>> * hinge (to change wave orientation ninety degrees)
>>
>> No time to construct example choreo, but I can work up something if
>> people want.
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Here is a dance I wrote after a conversation with Will Mentor about this same topic. Will suggest the name. I really like the transition from long waves into a Hey.
Mentoring Mentor
Ben Werner
indecent (1s proper, 2s crossed over) - starting with Larks facing in, current neighbor in Right Hand.
A1: (8) Long Waves Balance, Box Circulate
(8) Long Waves Balance, Box Circulate
A2: (16) Long Waves Balance, ¾ hey: Larks Left, Partner Right, Ravens Left, Neighbor Right, Larks Left
B1: (16) Partner B&S (on ravens home side)
B2: (4) Pass the ocean* with larks RH in the middle,
(6) Partner allemande L ½ way, ravens Allemande R ½
(6) Neighbor allemande L 1 ¼ to long wavey lines
Alternate B2: change the pass the ocean to a pass through across.
* the pass the ocean is actually a mirror of the typical pass the ocean which normally has LH in the middle. You pass Neighbors by Left Shoulder. Of the entire dance it seems like this is what confuses people the most, which is why at this point I recommend the alternative.
Cheers,
Ben Werner
ABQ NM
> On Mar 10, 2019, at 10:39 AM, Rich Sbardella via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> "Scootback" would be another easy option after a box circulate for contra dance. Here is an example:
> Balance wave, Those facing in Allemande (L/R), comeback to same wave and swing (P/N). Those facing out simply flip and await the swing.
>
> Here is another with two consecutive scootbacks, but a balance can be inserted between the scootbacks as well. Balance Wave, Those facing in allemande outfacers loop. The new dancers facing in now allemande while the new outfaces flip. Both dancers meet for a swing after the second scootbback.
>
> I wonder if Bob Isaacs has written one yet?
>
> By Callerlab definition Scootbpck is 6 beats/steps, but they are often danced in four beats/steps when followed by another scootback or a swing.
>
> Rich Sbardella
> Stafford, CT
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 11:00 AM Aahz via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 08, 2019, Isaac Banner via Callers wrote:
> >
> > I've felt like most box circulate dances use the circulate as a buildup
> > into a swing with *someone*. Looking at
> > http://www.contra.dance/thecallersbox, there are only 12 results for dances
> > with a circulate that isn't followed by a swing and 9 of those results
> > don't include their choreography (grumble grumble), so I can't actually
> > confirm that they belong in the result set.
>
> Square dancing has lots of options, but a lot of those options rely on
> eight dancers in the group. Two options that seem suitable for contra
> dance:
>
> * outfacers run
>
> * hinge (to change wave orientation ninety degrees)
>
> No time to construct example choreo, but I can work up something if
> people want.
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On Fri, Mar 08, 2019, Isaac Banner via Callers wrote:
>
> I've felt like most box circulate dances use the circulate as a buildup
> into a swing with *someone*. Looking at
> http://www.contra.dance/thecallersbox, there are only 12 results for dances
> with a circulate that isn't followed by a swing and 9 of those results
> don't include their choreography (grumble grumble), so I can't actually
> confirm that they belong in the result set.
Square dancing has lots of options, but a lot of those options rely on
eight dancers in the group. Two options that seem suitable for contra
dance:
* outfacers run
* hinge (to change wave orientation ninety degrees)
No time to construct example choreo, but I can work up something if
people want.
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Hey all,
I've felt like most box circulate dances use the circulate as a buildup
into a swing with *someone*. Looking at
http://www.contra.dance/thecallersbox, there are only 12 results for dances
with a circulate that isn't followed by a swing and 9 of those results
don't include their choreography (grumble grumble), so I can't actually
confirm that they belong in the result set.
I feel like there's a lot of potential for dances that have box circulates
followed by something other than a swing. Here are a few I've been messing
with:
*Peace Is Still the Way*
Becket
A1
(8) Pass the ocean, balance the wave
(6) Ladies allemande left 1.5x while gents orbit cw halfway
(2) Partner allemande right 1/4 to long waves, gents in
A2
(8) Long waves balance & circulate (gents cross, ladies loop)
(8) Long waves balance & circulate - ladies catch RH as they cross, scoop
up partner
B1
(6) Ladies star promenade right 3/4, next gents catch left
(6) Gents star promenade left 3/4
(4) Partner butterfly whirl
B2
(6) Ladies dosido
(10) Partner swing
*Snowbirds*
Becket
A1
(8) Ladies half hey passing right
(4) Ladies chain
(4) Gents courtesy turn, roll lady away R to L into long waves (gents in)**
A2
(8) Long waves balance & circulate (gents cross, ladies loop)
(8) Long waves balance & circulate (ladies cross, gents loop)
B1
(8) Mad robin CW, gents in front
(8) Circle left 3/4 (better as a chase with eye contact, rather than hands)
B2
(16) Partner meltdown swing
I'm interested in what people think and also any other dances folks have
with different moves following a circulate (other than waves balance + Rory
because honestly who are we fooling).
Thanks,
Isaac Banner
http://www.contra.dance/isaac
Well if you have ecd folks on the floor...
bottoms star right once around and ease out and pause! Gents will continue up the outside of the set one place as the ladies cast up one place, AND the 1s lead down all the way to the bottom. Go!
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> On Mar 8, 2019, at 3:49 PM, Luke Donforth via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> Here's a crack at putting the star burst in a duple improper choreography.
>
> Stellar Star Burst
> Contra/Improper
>
> A1 -----------
> (16) Neighbor gyre and swing
> A2 -----------
> (8) Larks/Gents allemande Left 1-1/2
> (8) Partner swing
> B1 -----------
> (8) Long lines, forward and back
> (8) Left hand Star 3/4
> B2 -----------
> (8) Star Burst: ravens/ladies lead out, curve left; larks/gents lead back in (single progression)
> (8) with new neighbors Right hand Star 1x
>
> I'm not positive on the timing of B1 & B2. There are a couple of places to adjust it. This assumes giving folks a little extra time for the star burst, with a left hand star 3/4x that probably won't take the full 8 counts. If A2 were circle left 3/4 & partner swing. Then B1 becomes long lines forward and back with a left hand star 1 & 1/4; which would compress the starburst into ~6. You could also make it take more time with a double progression (a wider out, loop, and in; although it might be hard to keep track of). The gyre and swing at the A1 is pretty forgiving.
>
> I don't know how different the star burst would feel from a poussette; the two are very similar; and the above sequence could be rendered:
>
> A1 -----------
> (16) Neighbor gyre and swing
> A2 -----------
> (8) Larks allemande Left 1-1/2
> (8) Partner swing
> B1 -----------
> (8) Long lines, forward and back
> (8) Circle Right 3/4
> B2 -----------
> (8) Poussette (larks start push) to progress
> (8) With next neighbors Circle Left 1X
>
> I think I'd rather dance the first one than the second; but I'm not sure it's worth the teaching time.
>
>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 5:52 PM Angela DeCarlis <aedecarlis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would probably get everyone into their final positions first before teaching the move, so's that everyone knows where they'll end up.
>>
>> After that the language would look something like, "Star Right all the way around. With your partner and without hands, slide out and away from the center of the set in the direction that feels comfortable moving out of that star. Ones move up through the center. Twos and Threes, slide back into the set into the positions we previewed earlier."
>>
>> It would be slightly easier to teach if it weren't proper! Then you could specify who's leading whom for those slides.
>>
>> I like this move and would like to see a version of it in a duple improper choreography, please! Sans the folks moving through the center, unfortunately.
>>
>> Angela
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 5:15 PM QuiAnn2 via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>> If it isn’t already a defined move it should most definitely be called a “star burst”!!
>>>
>>> Jacqui Grennan
>>>
>>>> On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Luke Donforth via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I'm playing around with choreographing triplets, and I've got a sequence that I think would flow well; but I'm not sure how to teach it short of a demo.
>>>>
>>>> The idea is that couples 2 & 3 do a star. Out of that star, they move out, up, and back in; leaving space in the middle for couple 1 to move to the bottom.
>>>>
>>>> I put together an animation of it:
>>>> https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/292197780/
>>>>
>>>> Is that already a defined move? What would you call it? How would you teach it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your thoughts!
>>>>
>>>> --
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