I imagine that the conversation must be much more complex in MWSD given the
tradition of patter. As I understand it, oftentimes the decision of which
term to label each role is determined by what might best rhyme with the
following call, or by how many syllables you have time to say.
While it's probably a much more ambitious endeavor -- and one which I'm
sure as a contra dance caller I have very little grasp of -- I would say
that many MWSD communities are ready to handle a role-term change, but that
it would take exceedingly creative and experienced callers within that
tradition to help determine what those might look like.
Good luck!
Angela
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Jeremy Child via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Hi
>
> This is for the MWSD callers amongst you.
>
> There has been much discussion on this group about the terms used for the
> two roles in contra dance. I do not propose to resurrect that here, I
> mention it to emphasise that many feel the terms used to be important, and
> that we should be moving away from any gender connotation in them.
>
> MWSD uses Ladies, Gents, Men, Women, Girls, Boys - all highly gendered.
> Is it time we changed these? If so, how? In theory with Callerlab it will
> be easier, but I suspect they would strongly resist such a change, since
> the "maleness" and "femaleness" of the roles (e.g. skirt work) is such a
> fundamental part of what MWSD is.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> (Apologies to those to whom this is all gibberish)
>
> Jeremy Child
> www.barndancecaller.net
> www.genderfreedance.net
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Hi
This is for the MWSD callers amongst you.
There has been much discussion on this group about the terms used for the
two roles in contra dance. I do not propose to resurrect that here, I
mention it to emphasise that many feel the terms used to be important, and
that we should be moving away from any gender connotation in them.
MWSD uses Ladies, Gents, Men, Women, Girls, Boys - all highly gendered. Is
it time we changed these? If so, how? In theory with Callerlab it will be
easier, but I suspect they would strongly resist such a change, since the
"maleness" and "femaleness" of the roles (e.g. skirt work) is such a
fundamental part of what MWSD is.
Thoughts?
(Apologies to those to whom this is all gibberish)
Jeremy Child
www.barndancecaller.netwww.genderfreedance.net
Hello all,
I know the list has had big debates about shadow swings in the past. If you
don't like 'em, you can pitch this. This dance was written for someone who
wanted a shadow swing, and is something I might call at a shadow-themed
festival session. As shadow swings go, I like the idea of swingus
interuptus going from shadow to partner.
To my knowledge, it's a new composition. Haven't gotten to test it yet. But
I present it for comment and/or collection.
Becket, cw
A1
Circle L 3/4
Neighbor Swing
A2
Promenade across with neighbor
Left Diagonal Ladies chain (to shadow)
B1
women start 1/2 hey straight across by Right shoulder
Women Do Si Do 1x
B2
Shadow swing
Partner swing
(no slide required, circle with couple straight across)
Rich,
I avoid many of the pit falls by not calling an "all modern" program
(though I do not know to what venue, dance crowd you call for.)
I like to mix in older unequal dances, Proper, Chestnuts, Classics
Shadracks Delight
Chorus Jig
Nantucket Sleighride
Becket Reel
to name a few.
(Lately I have become bored with dances that feel the same,
Partner swing, Neighbor Swing, Chain, Hay)
Check out some of the older tried and trues, You may be surprised!
Gale Wood
Forwarding with permission, since I am unavailable that weekend - any
caller available and interested in southwest VT dance - sounds like a barn
dance, family-friendly, etc - can reach out directly to Cynthia Larson,
email included below.
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From: "Cynthia Larson" <cynthial(a)myfairpoint.net>
Date: Sep 19, 2016 1:54 PM
Subject: dance caller desperately needed, please!
... our annual family-style contra/ square dance on Sat, Oct 8. We have 2
musicians, but could flex if you have your own. Our usual caller is out of
town that day! We roast a steer, make cider, and have a charity auction
that day on the farm. Please let me know if this is possible, and if not,
please give me ideas! We pay our musicians. We usually dance from 7-10.
> We are in Wells, VT, SW Rutland county.
> Thank You!
> Cynthia Larson
> www.larsonfarmvt.com
Joy,
I agree with you. The picture from our Callers Workshop at Pinewoods is on my computer at work. My pics are my screensaver, so I see the gang often. Good hearing from you.
See ya,
Dan Black
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On Sun, 9/18/16, Joy Greenwolfe <joy2the(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Callers] Fw: Does this dance exist? Calling Joy Greenwolfe - Calling Joy Greenwolfe
To: "Dan Black" <blackjunier(a)yahoo.com>
Cc: callers(a)sharedweight.net
Date: Sunday, September 18, 2016, 6:33 PM
Dan,
Your
dance has a similar sequence in the A part of my dance Gypsy
Chase, but yours looks like a difference dance to me. Mine
looks like this:
Gypsy
Chase Joy Greenwolfe, March
2006Improper
A1
Long lines forward and back
(8) Gents Allemande L 1.5
(8)A2 Gents pick up partner, Star
Promenade, Butterfly Whirl (4,4) Ladies lead 1/2 a Hey (LR,
NL, GR, P) (8)B1 Partner Balance & Swing
(16) (Ladies’ original side)B2 Gypsy Chase - Ladies gypsy
by the R shoulder x1 while Gents fall in behind
Neighbor to chase her half way to the other side. Neighbor Swing
(8)
Gypsy
Chase Revisited is in Becket with the partner and neighbor
interaction reversed.
Hope this helps~Joy Greenwolfe
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Sep 18, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Dan Black via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
wrote:
I was
informed by the sage that is Chris Page, that the dance
below is very similar to Joy Greenwolfe's dance
"The Gypsy Chase", Joy could you confirm and
share your dance?
Thanks,
Dan Black
--- On Thu, 9/15/16, Dan Black via
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wrote:
From: Dan Black via
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Subject: [Callers] Does
this dance exist?
To:
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Date: Thursday, September
15, 2016, 7:18 PM
Hey
Gang,
Been
a member for a while but I haven't
posted in a few
years. Does any one know if this
dance below has been
credited already?
Alyssa’s Gift
becket
by Dan Black
A1. 8,8 Slice
on Left Diagonal, Gents
allemande Left 1-1/2
A2. 8,8 Star
Promenade Neigh, 1/2 Hey,
(LR, NL, GR)
B1. 4,12 Neigh Bal
& Swing
B2.
4,12 Give & Take
to
the Ladies side,
Part
Swing
Thanks
all, See ya on the floor soon.
Dan
Black
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I was informed by the sage that is Chris Page, that the dance below is very similar to Joy Greenwolfe's dance "The Gypsy Chase", Joy could you confirm and share your dance?
Thanks,
Dan Black
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> From: Dan Black via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> Subject: [Callers] Does this dance exist?
> To: "Caller's Discussion List" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016, 7:18 PM
> Hey
> Gang,
> Been
> a member for a while but I haven't posted in a few
> years. Does any one know if this dance below has been
> credited already?
>
>
>
> Alyssa’s Gift
> becket
> by Dan Black
>
> A1. 8,8 Slice
> on Left Diagonal, Gents allemande Left 1-1/2
>
> A2. 8,8 Star Promenade Neigh, 1/2 Hey,
> (LR, NL, GR)
>
> B1. 4,12 Neigh Bal & Swing
>
> B2.
> 4,12 Give & Take to
> the Ladies side, Part
> Swing
> Thanks
> all, See ya on the floor soon.
> Dan
> Black
>
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If you start from the common man-on-the-left, woman-on-the-right, and
circle left 3/4, the women have swapped sides.
Easiest fix is to have the women swap sides again somewhere else.
-Chris Page
San Diego, CA
On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Don Veino via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Rich Sbardella via Callers
> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> Is this unique to my collection or this generally true of contra dances?
>
>
> I've had a similar observation (not in my deck necessarily but also from the
> dance programs I encounter on the floor) - in many cases the Ladies are the
> ones getting the run around/doing the most "single role" action. I haven't
> done the percentages, but to me it seems the Gents' same role action is
> typically limited to allemandes.
>
> This is something I've been using to inform my own dance compositions,
> creating either more even or Gents-heavy dances (featuring other moves)
> which could balance things out in aggregate.
>
> -Don
>
On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Rich Sbardella via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Is this unique to my collection or this generally true of contra dances?
>
I've had a similar observation (not in my deck necessarily but also from
the dance programs I encounter on the floor) - in many cases the Ladies are
the ones getting the run around/doing the most "single role" action. I
haven't done the percentages, but to me it seems the Gents' same role
action is typically limited to allemandes.
This is something I've been using to inform my own dance compositions,
creating either more even or Gents-heavy dances (featuring other moves)
which could balance things out in aggregate.
-Don
I would say my collection tends to involve more Gents in the center, often coming out of a swing, going into an allemande L 1-1/2, to swing on the other side, but that’s just an empirical feeling because I notice having to pull dances from a program if too many have that transition.
Thanx, Ric Goldman
Portland, OR
From: Callers [mailto:callers-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Rich Sbardella via Callers
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 1:54 PM
To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Subject: [Callers] Dance Variety
As I programed my dance evenings for this weekend, I noticed that close to 80% of my dance cards have just the Ladies in the center doing something, About 10% have the Gents going in, and the remaining 10% or so have both the Lady and the Gent, or neither the Lady or the Gent going in.
My observations consider a Hey and Half hey as neutral, and as such I did not include the hey in my estimations. However if the hey was set up by an allemande or chain, those basics were considered.
Is this unique to my collection or this generally true of contra dances?
Rich Sbardella
Stafford, CT