[Organizers] Organizers Digest, Vol 26, Issue 5
Elizabeth Szekeres via Organizers
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Tue Dec 6 09:06:53 PST 2016
I do know one instance of the rotten US economy making it impossible for a good dancer to replace his ancient broken down truck, hence he is not attending any dances at all..
Very sad...
-Elizabeth Szekeres
Toronto
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> My observations in Greenfield are much of what's been said. We also have many new dancers, with the old group either aging out, finding other hobbies, nursing injuries, etc.
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> One question: how politicized have dances becomes around issues like what a move is called, what a position is called? On the floor, there is a steady hum of resentment amongst long time dancers about these matters and some of this is also appearing to sour people on wanting to attend.
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> Interesting data so far! Are there dances out there that have seen an INCREASE in average attendance in the last year?
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> Besides asking for help from the "converted", perhaps we need to increase our reach to the non-dancer community to boost the pool of potential attendees for a given dance. (Meaning, somehow become more visible to the majority of people in our geographic area - the non-dancers - so that we get our message out to those non-dancers who would want to come to our dance if they only knew about it.)
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> In Belfast, we've got a major component for outreach to youth (schools, youth programming) but we could do more to raise the visibility of both our series and our organization.
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> Any brainstorms for potential efforts to support sustainability?
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> I do worry that this question suffers from bias, just like when
> someone asked if all callers are left-handed, and only the left-handed
> callers responded.
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> That being said, we are suffering from an attendance loss of about
> 5-10 dancers. Since our average was around 45, this has put severe
> financial stress on us.
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> One thing that's gradually gotten worse for us is street parking, and
> finding an affordable alternate venue is very challenging in San
> Diego.
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> -Chris Page
> San Diego, CA
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> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:17 AM, Marie-Mich?le Fournier via Organizers
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>> Hi all,
>> Both Montreal and Ottawa have seen lower attendance this fall and we got
>> word that it's similar in Brooklyn. Are any other local dances seeing this
>> too? Any idea what might be causing this? Since it happens to both Canadian
>> and American cities I doubt it's the political climate.
>> Thanks,
>> Marie
>> ContraMontreal
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> I too worry about the impact of weekends and the 'super dance' experience
> impacting local's perceptions of attending 'regular' dances.
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> Separate from that one point, this is starting to sound like a topic to
> raise with CDSS if many of us are noticing a trend.
> Thoughts?
> I'm wondering if we do some more sharing about best-practices on getting
> new people, converting, and keeping the regulars.
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>> There has been a new dance in Portland, Maine that started up earlier this
>> year, which to its credit has been highly successful. It is a weekly
>> mid-week dance that is not in direct competition with most NH dances, which
>> are typically held monthly on weekends. However, I have had more than one
>> person tell me that they are so enthused about this new dance (and
>> apparently they are able to fulfill their dancing needs by its every-week
>> scheduling) that they are no longer keen to get out to the smaller, more
>> local dances. I liken this to the effect of a Super Walmart shutting out
>> local businesses. Not sure if anything can be done about that.
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Mary Collins <nativedae at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Buffalo attendance has been down as well, however the last dance was up a
>>> bit. Many of our long-time good dancers are not coming. A suggestion
>> has
>>> been made that the board contact them individually to discuss their MIA
>>> status, we have not made a decision as how to approach this as yet.
>>>
>>> I do know that in some cases there are "opposing" great events on our
>>> dance nights and we loose our out-of-towners (those that travel to our
>>> dance) to those. There have been some family illnesses, travel etc. that
>>> have effected us as well.
>>>
>>> One question that has come up among organizers and I wonder if others
>> have
>>> had similar thoughts...is a particular band or caller keeping folks away?
>>> thoughts?
>>>
>>> Mary Collins, QCCD.org
>>>
>>> ?Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass ... it's about learning
>>> to dance in the rain!? ~ Unknown
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Paul Pindris via Organizers <
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>>>> This is astonishing information, as attendance at my dance in Deerfield,
>>>> NH is down as much as 50% from its peak last season. The reason or
>> reasons
>>>> are unclear. If the poor attendance continues it potentially jeopardizes
>>>> the long-term viability of this decades-old event.
>>>>
>>>> Paul Pindris
>>>> Deerfield, NH
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>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Marie-Mich?le Fournier via Organizers <
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>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Both Montreal and Ottawa have seen lower attendance this fall and
>> we
>>>>> got word that it's similar in Brooklyn. Are any other local dances
>> seeing
>>>>> this too? Any idea what might be causing this? Since it happens to both
>>>>> Canadian and American cities I doubt it's the political climate.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Marie
>>>>> ContraMontreal
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>> Even attendance at Glen Echo dances have been lower what they once were,
>> though I would not say that the drop off was as dramatic as other
>> locations, it is definitely lower than 10 years ago.?
>>
>> I can only surmise to why dance attendance has dropped off, but one guess
>> that I have is that the increase of dance weekends, in my opinion, has a
>> detrimental effect of dances are regular weekly/monthly dances.? In some
>> ways it has jaded dancers into believing that the
>> bands/callers/dancers/dancing at the weekly dances aren't as good as those
>> at dance weekends.? We need an increase of community spirit at our local
>> dances so we can keep getting in an influx of new dancers and get them to
>> stay as regular dancers.?
>>
>> Affordability of dances is another reason (as rents and costs of talent
>> has gone up), and perhaps saturation of dances in any one region.??
>> Perry
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>> Hi all,
>> ??? Both Montreal and Ottawa have seen lower attendance this fall and we
>> got word that it's similar in Brooklyn. Are any other local dances seeing
>> this too? Any idea what might be causing this? Since it happens to both
>> Canadian and American cities I doubt it's the political climate.
>> Thanks,
>> Marie
>> ContraMontreal
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>> Hi, All...
>> Toronto attendance was significantly down during the 15/16 year, and it
>> looks rather the same for 16/17.
>>
>> I'm wondering if the "good" dancers are preferring to dance at weekend
>> events where the quality of the dancing is considerably better because of
>> the skilled population that attend.
>> Just putting that thought out there...
>>
>> I suppose the only way to know for sure is to poll people....
>>
>> -Elizabeth Szekeres
>> Talent Coordinator
>> Toronto Contra Dance
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>>> Hi all,
>>> Both Montreal and Ottawa have seen lower attendance this fall and we
>>> got word that it's similar in Brooklyn. Are any other local dances seeing
>>> this too? Any idea what might be causing this? Since it happens to both
>>> Canadian and American cities I doubt it's the political climate.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marie
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>>> To: Marie-Mich?le Fournier <mariemichele.fournier at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Shared Weight Organizers <Organizers at sharedweight.net>
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>>> This is astonishing information, as attendance at my dance in Deerfield,
>> NH
>>> is down as much as 50% from its peak last season. The reason or reasons
>> are
>>> unclear. If the poor attendance continues it potentially jeopardizes the
>>> long-term viability of this decades-old event.
>>>
>>> Paul Pindris
>>> Deerfield, NH
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Marie-Mich?le Fournier via Organizers <
>>> organizers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
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>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Both Montreal and Ottawa have seen lower attendance this fall and we
>>>> got word that it's similar in Brooklyn. Are any other local dances
>> seeing
>>>> this too? Any idea what might be causing this? Since it happens to both
>>>> Canadian and American cities I doubt it's the political climate.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marie
>>>> ContraMontreal
>>>>
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>>> Attendance is holding reasonably steady here in Minneapolis-St. Paul. I
>>> think we've had a long-term decline from where we were 6-7 years ago, but
>>> certainly nothing like a 50% drop in a year's time. - David
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Paul Pindris via Organizers <
>>> organizers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
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>>>> This is astonishing information, as attendance at my dance in Deerfield,
>>>> NH is down as much as 50% from its peak last season. The reason or
>> reasons
>>>> are unclear. If the poor attendance continues it potentially jeopardizes
>>>> the long-term viability of this decades-old event.
>>>>
>>>> Paul Pindris
>>>> Deerfield, NH
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Marie-Mich?le Fournier via Organizers <
>>>> organizers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Both Montreal and Ottawa have seen lower attendance this fall and we
>>>>> got word that it's similar in Brooklyn. Are any other local dances
>> seeing
>>>>> this too? Any idea what might be causing this? Since it happens to both
>>>>> Canadian and American cities I doubt it's the political climate.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Marie
>>>>> ContraMontreal
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>>> My home dance on Thursdays in Concord MA has been way below average
>> since the summer.?
>>>
>>> I heard that the Amherst MA is needing to revise its pay schedule down
>> due to reduced income.
>>> The Canadian data puts a torpedo in my previous theory that this is a
>> Trump-related effect.
>>> Could it be that there are too many dances for the population?? Is this
>> Great Contra Collapse of 2016?
>>>
>>>
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>>> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 10:02:01 -0500
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>>> To: Paul Pindris <moonlightgraham2 at gmail.com>
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>>> Buffalo attendance has been down as well, however the last dance was up a
>>> bit. Many of our long-time good dancers are not coming. A suggestion
>> has
>>> been made that the board contact them individually to discuss their MIA
>>> status, we have not made a decision as how to approach this as yet.
>>>
>>> I do know that in some cases there are "opposing" great events on our
>> dance
>>> nights and we loose our out-of-towners (those that travel to our dance)
>> to
>>> those. There have been some family illnesses, travel etc. that have
>>> effected us as well.
>>>
>>> One question that has come up among organizers and I wonder if others
>> have
>>> had similar thoughts...is a particular band or caller keeping folks away?
>>> thoughts?
>>>
>>> Mary Collins, QCCD.org
>>>
>>> ?Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass ... it's about learning
>>> to dance in the rain!? ~ Unknown
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Paul Pindris via Organizers <
>>> organizers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is astonishing information, as attendance at my dance in Deerfield,
>>>> NH is down as much as 50% from its peak last season. The reason or
>> reasons
>>>> are unclear. If the poor attendance continues it potentially jeopardizes
>>>> the long-term viability of this decades-old event.
>>>>
>>>> Paul Pindris
>>>> Deerfield, NH
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Marie-Mich?le Fournier via Organizers <
>>>> organizers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Both Montreal and Ottawa have seen lower attendance this fall and we
>>>>> got word that it's similar in Brooklyn. Are any other local dances
>> seeing
>>>>> this too? Any idea what might be causing this? Since it happens to both
>>>>> Canadian and American cities I doubt it's the political climate.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Marie
>>>>> ContraMontreal
>>>>>
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