[Callers] Buzz Step Swing
Tom Hinds via Callers
callers at lists.sharedweight.net
Sun Jun 21 18:46:56 PDT 2015
Maia,
Personally I really don't give a hoot which swing people teach. I've
voiced my opinion and I'm ready to move on. My real concern is my
own dance in C'ville which seems to be going down hill. Callers have
done such horrible jobs teaching the lesson that the board voted to
have me teach all of the lessons. What's important to me is that the
swing is taught well and safely no matter which one is chosen. I've
responded to some of your points in sprinkles below.
On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Maia McCormick via Callers wrote:
> Tom, at a guess, Aahz is not talking about NOT spending time on the
> swing, nor about neglecting to teach dancers how to start/end one--
> just that the finer points of technique aren't a priority for the
> beginner's lesson.
Yes that's a guess. And he wasn't real specific in his first
email. I believe he mentioned sashayed in a latter email so that's
probably what he meant, ending a swing with the lady on left, man on
the right.
> John mentions the bad habits that even experienced dancers may have
> while swinging, such as:
> - grip, clamp, squeeze, hang, press
> - hold their partner in the wrong place so it is uncomfortable
> - use too much strength and try to do silly things like making their
> partners feet leave the floor
> - lean sideways or backwards
> - start twirls too late and when they are facing the wrong way so
> that they
> end up in the wrong place
What's your conclusion and what's the bigger picture? Perhaps the
dance community is full of bad teachers and/or bad students or
something else is going on..........Or is all of the above OK? We're
not MWSDers or ballet dancers are we?
> I find it pretty telling that this list of habits actually has
> nothing to do with footwork! In my opinion, the reason to teach
> walking swing instead of buzz-step to beginners is that there's SO
> MUCH ELSE to concentrate on.
NO! NO, NO, NO!!!! I have to strongly disagree with you here.
There isn't SO MUCH ELSE to concentrate on. I have no doubt that I
program a dance night way differently than you or the others do.
How I program and how I teach the lesson are unique to me and both
fit together and the newbies are never overwhelmed by SO MUCH ELSE.
I haven't seen you or the others call but I have to say that there's
this stage that some of us go through where we perceive the beginners
as deficient and therefore need to be stuffed with all of these
rules, moves etc. so that we can have a REAL modern urban contra
dance. I went through that stage but I'm over it now. I see it in
many callers. The real secret to calling as far as I'm concerned has
to do with personality and emotions, not moves. For me, dancing is a
vehicle to community.
Perhaps the dancers in your area have certain expectation of a dance
level. I'm fortunate here in C'ville that the dancers don't have
those expectations. They are real laid back.
I didn't say this yet but I've come to the conclusion that one's
calling is a system. If you value or choose one aspect in that
system you, by default choose other aspects. Programming and the
beginning workshop should fit logically together. There's so much
that goes into programming and there's so much that goes into
choosing one's system that I find this little discussion about swing
to be a bit meaningless. In C'ville in the last two years, those who
didn't teach a swing at all had lousy programs-I mean most of the
floor went home at the break-it's that bad!! The two seem to be
correlated. If you're unskilled in one you tend to be unskilled in
the other.
> The more things we can abstract away, the easier a time beginners
> will have learning what's left. If you're focusing on strange new
> footwork (and I find that buzz-stepping beginners tend to think
> that the buzz-stepping is the most important part of the swing, and
> concentrate more on that than on their frame), it's harder to pick
> up things like giving weight, a proper hold, etc. But everyone
> already knows how to walk!
I consider the way I teach a buzz step swing to be efficient, maybe
taking 5 minutes for a small group.
Maia, perhaps you should watch my beginning workshop.
At the end of my workshop they are ready!!!. The integration of the
beginners into the evening's dance is seamless. If they survive the
beginning lesson (which they all can) the rest of the evening is
literally a piece of cake because of the way I program. I'm human
and it doesn't always go well but in general it does.
>
> I would also add that I would much rather dance with someone doing
> a funky/odd/strange/unpracticed walking swing than a funky/odd/
> strange/unpracticed buzz step.
I've also come to the conclusion that everything that goes on at a
contra dance can be boiled down to plain emotions. I recently
watched a caller who is a very good showman. I think he's insecure.
He doesn't show compassion also so he fails as a caller-doesn't
establish a relationship with any of the dancers. I also think he's
afraid to teach (fear of boring the experienced dancers) so he does a
rushed job of all of his walk throughs. The beginners have their own
emotional reaction to this: frustration big time.
Perhaps you think that we humans are rational. But the truth is we
are emotional and the emotional side of us bring in the rational side
to justify what we want. As I see it, most of this talk is just BS-
rational sounding BS for what we really feel and value. I value the
buzz and therefore feel like teaching the buzz step swing. John also
values the buzz so that's what he does. Someone else may not value
the buzz or doesn't know how to do it, so that's what they feel like
doing.
> I find that there are fewer ways to mess up a walk, and that
> there's less potential for your partner to be uncomfortable or
> perhaps harmed than with one of those galloping, out-of-control
> excited-pony buzz step swings.
>
> Just my two cents!
>
> Cheers,
> Maia
>
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Amy Wimmer via Callers
> <callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> I love John's idea of teaching the buzz step as individuals first,
> then as couples. The most frequent complaints I hear from men is that
> women hang on them and don't hold up their own weight during a swing.
> The most frequent complaint I hear from women is men pulling them off
> their feet and going too fast. If they can learn to hold themselves
> upright on their own first, then everyone will have a much more
> enjoyable experience.
>
> -Amy
>
>
>
> > On Jun 21, 2015, at 3:44 AM, John Sweeney via Callers
> <callers at lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, of course I always tell dancers that they can walk instead
> of buzz, but
> > the buzz-step is so much more fun that it seems crazy not to
> teach it when
> > every dance is going to have a swing and usually two.
> >
> > <Digression:> Yes, I love swinging, and have been loving it for
> fifty years
> > now, but why does every new dance have to have two swings? Oh
> no, not
> > Neighbour Balance & Swing, Circle Left 3/4, Partner Swing again -
> that's
> > half the dance gone with nothing new or interesting in it! (And
> changing the
> > Circle Left 3/4 to Men/Ladies Allemande 1 & 1/2 does not make it
> more
> > interesting!) I write lots of dances with one or zero swings - a
> zero-swing
> > dance can have so much good stuff in it that the dancers don't
> even notice
> > there is no swing; they are having too much fun. It always
> puzzles me when
> > people take a great one-swing dance and re-choreograph it to add
> a second
> > swing, losing part of what made it a great dance just for the
> sake of even
> > more swinging. <End of digression.>
> >
> > I found it interesting that Ron said, "the buzz-step swing gets
> axed if I'm
> > short on time". If I only had time to teach one thing then the
> only thing I
> > would teach would be the buzz-step swing, and how to finish it so
> you end up
> > in the right place. I can't think of anything else that
> newcomers can't
> > learn during the walk-throughs.
> >
> > Question: If you were calling for a group with a dozen newcomers
> in the hall
> > out of 100 people, and the organizers said you could have two
> minutes
> > teaching before you started the first walk-through, what would
> you teach?
> > For me the answer is obvious, every dance has a buzz-step swing;
> teach a
> > buzz-step swing.
> >
> > Another reason for teaching swinging is that there are a
> significant number
> > of "experienced" dancers who have bad swinging habits. I dance
> all over the
> > USA and the UK and wherever I go there are always some people who:
> > - grip, clamp, squeeze, hang, press
> > - hold their partner in the wrong place so it is uncomfortable
> > - use too much strength and try to do silly things like making their
> > partners feet leave the floor
> > - lean sideways or backwards
> > - start twirls too late and when they are facing the wrong way so
> that they
> > end up in the wrong place
> > - etc.
> >
> > If just a couple of those dancers pick up on any of these points
> and improve
> > their swinging then you have done good work!
> >
> > Yes, I hate it when callers talk too much and take time out of
> dancing time.
> > But this can be really short:
> >
> > Sample teach:
> > = = = = = = = =
> > Hi, I'm John. We have some new people here today and they are
> going to
> > spend half an hour swinging tonight, so please let's spend a
> minute or two
> > on showing them how it's done. And all you great dancers out
> there why not
> > see if you can't make your swing even better for you and your
> partners.
> >
> > This is called a buzz-step swing.
> >
> > First, let go of you partner completely. Put your left toe just
> behind your
> > right foot like this. Now walk fast on the spot. Now push with
> your left
> > foor as though you were on a skateboard and turn clockwise by
> yourself on
> > the spot. Relax your knees so you don't bounce up and down. See how
> > smoothly.you can turn with the minimum of effort.
> >
> > Now take your partner in a ballroom hold - the man's hand on the
> lady's
> > shoulderblade - it is far more comfotable for the lady if you
> hold them up
> > high. Now relax - make sure you are not pressing on any part of
> your
> > partner.
> >
> > And swing - it should be a gentle embrace where, as a single
> counterbalanced
> > unit, you glide smoothly and effortlessly around. Smile at your
> partner and
> > you won't get dizzy.
> >
> > Now think of your joined hands as an arrowhead and finish
> pointing at the
> > other couple.
> >
> > If you are having trouble with the buzz-step then you can always
> just walk.
> > = = = = = = = =
> >
> > I just timed that and it took less than 90 seconds. Surely that
> is worth
> > doing!
> >
> > Yes, some of them won’t get it, but for those who do you have
> just greatly
> > enhanced their enjoyment of the evening.
> >
> > Anyway, that's what I think. :-)
> >
> > Happy dancing,
> > John
> >
> > John Sweeney, Dancer, England john at modernjive.com 01233 625 362
> > http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
> >
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