12 Aug
2016
12 Aug
'16
7:51 a.m.
I'm tickled that so many of you are participating in this discussion. After reading
posts from eight people at once (I get this list in digest form), I realize that we're
getting close to that age-old (and probably unanswerable) question, "What is
tradition/what is folk?"
Before we go on, let me assure you that I have no intention of trying to create a new form
of square dancing, or even codifying an existing form. I would hate to see a rigid
structure grow up around the points I'm making in my book. (I would hate even more to
be given lip service while something grew up that was radically different from what I have
in mind, as happened with Lloyd Shaw & modern SD and with Larry Jennings and
"zesty contras".) My aim is to document the type of dancing and calling that I
see emerging across the continent, and to offer some suggestions for making one's
calling as effective as possible and some technical help in doing so.
My favorite name so far is "neo-traditional," which Jim Saxe included in a list
of possibilities and was also suggested to me in a private communication. The names
I've heard used by dancers and callers in the "real world" (i.e. offline)
are "fast squares" and "Southern squares," both of which I dislike -
"fast squares" because "fast" is a relative term and may scare some
folks into staying away, "Southern squares" because it's inaccurate when
used to describe grid-type (modern New England & transitional Western) squares done to
Southern music, which is how I've been hearing it used. There's already something
called "Southern squares"; let's not confuse things.
If I do start using a name, whether "neo-trad" or something else, I don't
expect everyone in the square & contra dance world to adopt it - though they're
welcome to. But I've often thought it would be handy to have such a name for my own
use, so that I can define my terms when I write for publication.
Incidentally, I welcome input as I put my square book together. What would you like to see
in a book on calling squares? (As envisioned, it will probably have a short section on
dance philosophy, history, and ethics; a medium-length section on technique; and a fairly
large collection of actual dances, with call charts showing the actual wording and timing
I use. I don't plan to hold back any trade secrets; given my age and the lucky breaks
I've had, I feel it's time to start paying it forward.)
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
12 Aug
12 Aug
9:14 a.m.
New subject: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
Tony,
I really like that you are including "a fairly large collection of actual
dances, with call charts showing the actual wording and timing I use."
To me timing is what makes a drill become a dance.
Reserve me a copy!
Thanks,
Rich Sbardella
Stafford, CT
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Tony Parkes tony(a)hands4.com
[trad-dance-callers] <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I’m tickled that so many of you are participating in this discussion.
After reading posts from eight people at once (I get this list in digest
form), I realize that we’re getting close to that age-old (and probably
unanswerable) question, “What is tradition/what is folk?”
Before we go on, let me assure you that I have no intention of trying to
create a new form of square dancing, or even codifying an existing form. I
would hate to see a rigid structure grow up around the points I’m making in
my book. (I would hate even more to be given lip service while something
grew up that was radically different from what I have in mind, as happened
with Lloyd Shaw & modern SD and with Larry Jennings and “zesty contras”.)
My aim is to document the type of dancing and calling that I see emerging
across the continent, and to offer some suggestions for making one’s
calling as effective as possible and some technical help in doing so.
My favorite name so far is “neo-traditional,” which Jim Saxe included in a
list of possibilities and was also suggested to me in a private
communication. The names I’ve heard used by dancers and callers in the
“real world” (i.e. offline) are “fast squares” and “Southern squares,” both
of which I dislike – “fast squares” because “fast” is a relative term and
may scare some folks into staying away, “Southern squares” because it’s
inaccurate when used to describe grid-type (modern New England &
transitional Western) squares done to Southern music, which is how I’ve
been hearing it used. There’s already something called “Southern squares”;
let’s not confuse things.
If I do start using a name, whether “neo-trad” or something else, I don’t
expect everyone in the square & contra dance world to adopt it – though
they’re welcome to. But I’ve often thought it would be handy to have such a
name for my own use, so that I can define my terms when I write for
publication.
Incidentally, I welcome input as I put my square book together. What would
you like to see in a book on calling squares? (As envisioned, it will
probably have a short section on dance philosophy, history, and ethics; a
medium-length section on technique; and a fairly large collection of actual
dances, with call charts showing the actual wording and timing I use. I
don’t plan to hold back any trade secrets; given my age and the lucky
breaks I’ve had, I feel it’s time to start paying it forward.)
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
1:04 p.m.
New subject: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
Tony,
I wasn't going to respond, but I have changed my mind. For some reason the words
"square dance" carry a negative connotation in my area. When asked by a client
what should they call their event, most often I replyan "Old Fashion Barn
Dance."
The turn out will almost double and the dancers will most often, be dressed western. I
don't call for clubs or continuing series. They are always dance parties or ONS. I do
keep good records of what style of dances I use, their names and the music. My dance
parties include: Trios, lines, mixers, contras, no partner required dances and some
squares.
Otto WartemanTrinity, Texas
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Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 7:51 AM
Subject: [trad-dance-callers] Re: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
I’m tickled that so many of you are participating in this discussion. After reading
posts from eight people at once (I get this list in digest form), I realize that we’re
getting close to that age-old (and probably unanswerable) question, “What is
tradition/what is folk?” Before we go on, let me assure you that I have no intention of
trying to create a new form of square dancing, or even codifying an existing form. I would
hate to see a rigid structure grow up around the points I’m making in my book. (I would
hate even more to be given lip service while something grew up that was radically
different from what I have in mind, as happened with Lloyd Shaw & modern SD and with
Larry Jennings and “zesty contras”.) My aim is to document the type of dancing and calling
that I see emerging across the continent, and to offer some suggestions for making one’s
calling as effective as possible and some technical help in doing so. My favorite name
so far is “neo-traditional,” which Jim Saxe included in a list of possibilities and was
also suggested to me in a private communication. The names I’ve heard used by dancers and
callers in the “real world” (i.e. offline) are “fast squares” and “Southern squares,” both
of which I dislike – “fast squares” because “fast” is a relative term and may scare some
folks into staying away, “Southern squares” because it’s inaccurate when used to describe
grid-type (modern New England & transitional Western) squares done to Southern music,
which is how I’ve been hearing it used. There’s already something called “Southern
squares”; let’s not confuse things. If I do start using a name, whether “neo-trad” or
something else, I don’t expect everyone in the square & contra dance world to adopt it
– though they’re welcome to. But I’ve often thought it would be handy to have such a name
for my own use, so that I can define my terms when I write for publication.
Incidentally, I welcome input as I put my square book together. What would you like to see
in a book on calling squares? (As envisioned, it will probably have a short section on
dance philosophy, history, and ethics; a medium-length section on technique; and a fairly
large collection of actual dances, with call charts showing the actual wording and timing
I use. I don’t plan to hold back any trade secrets; given my age and the lucky breaks I’ve
had, I feel it’s time to start paying it forward.) Tony Parkes Billerica, Mass.
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9:39 p.m.
New subject: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
Gee Tony - that sounds just about perfect. Really looking forward to
your book.
On 8/12/16 Fri, Aug 12, 2016 7:51 AM, Tony Parkes tony(a)hands4.com
[trad-dance-callers] wrote:
Incidentally, I welcome input as I put my square book together. What
would you like to see in a book on calling squares? (As envisioned, it
will probably have a short section on dance philosophy, history, and
ethics; a medium-length section on technique; and a fairly large
collection of actual dances, with call charts showing the actual wording
and timing I use. I dont plan to hold back any trade secrets; given my
age and the lucky breaks Ive had, I feel its time to start paying it
forward.)
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
9:41 p.m.
New subject: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
Wonderful!
This sounds perfect.
Please include a bunch of easy dances for one-nighters!
Paul Rosenberg
www.homespun.biz
Albany, NY
On Aug 12, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Lynn Garren
garren(a)earthlink.net [trad-dance-callers] <trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Gee Tony - that sounds just about perfect. Really looking forward to
your book.
On 8/12/16 Fri, Aug 12, 2016 7:51 AM, Tony Parkes tony(a)hands4.com
[trad-dance-callers] wrote:
Incidentally, I welcome input as I put my square book together. What
would you like to see in a book on calling squares? (As envisioned, it
will probably have a short section on dance philosophy, history, and
ethics; a medium-length section on technique; and a fairly large
collection of actual dances, with call charts showing the actual wording
and timing I use. I don’t plan to hold back any trade secrets; given my
age and the lucky breaks I’ve had, I feel it’s time to start paying it
forward.)
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
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13 Aug
13 Aug
8:43 a.m.
New subject: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
Tony: Could you please incl one or two of Lyn Cady's dances from Sherburn
Center - Bridgewater Corners, VT. Honest John, Doo Dar, , The Slow One.
Maybe tell how them Vermonters danced the same dances all the time, year
after year...didn't want anything new. Dudley
Dudley & Jacqueline Laufman
PO Box 61, 322 Shaker Rd
Canterbury, NH 03224
www.laufman.org
603-783-4719
jdlaufman(a)comcast.net
Education book & CD at www.humankinetics.com
Performance Calendar at www.laufman.org
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Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 10:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Re: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it
a name?
Wonderful!
This sounds perfect.
Please include a bunch of easy dances for one-nighters!
Paul Rosenberg
www.homespun.biz
Albany, NY
On Aug 12, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Lynn Garren
garren(a)earthlink.net
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Gee Tony - that sounds just about perfect. Really looking forward to
your book.
On 8/12/16 Fri, Aug 12, 2016 7:51 AM, Tony Parkes tony(a)hands4.com
[trad-dance-callers] wrote:
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Incidentally, I welcome input as I put my square book together. What
would you like to see in a book on calling squares? (As envisioned, it
will probably have a short section on dance philosophy, history, and
ethics; a medium-length section on technique; and a fairly large
collection of actual dances, with call charts showing the actual wording
and timing I use. I dont plan to hold back any trade secrets; given my
age and the lucky breaks Ive had, I feel its time to start paying it
forward.)
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
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11:14 a.m.
New subject: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
Our old friend of the list wild Bill Martin called it
"Not-Your-Grandparents' square dance"
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Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Re: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
Tony: Could you please incl one or two of Lyn Cady's dances from Sherburn
Center - Bridgewater Corners, VT. Honest John, Doo Dar, , The Slow One.
Maybe tell how them Vermonters danced the same dances all the time, year
after year...didn't want anything new. Dudley
Dudley & Jacqueline Laufman
PO Box 61, 322 Shaker Rd
Canterbury, NH 03224
www.laufman.org<http://www.laufman.org>
603-783-4719
jdlaufman(a)comcast.net
Education book & CD at www.humankinetics.com<http://www.humankinetics.com>
Performance Calendar at www.laufman.org<http://www.laufman.org>
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Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Re: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it
a name?
Wonderful!
This sounds perfect.
Please include a bunch of easy dances for one-nighters!
Paul Rosenberg
www.homespun.biz<http://www.homespun.biz>
Albany, NY
On Aug 12, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Lynn Garren
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Gee Tony - that sounds just about perfect. Really looking forward to
your book.
On 8/12/16 Fri, Aug 12, 2016 7:51 AM, Tony Parkes tony(a)hands4.com
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Incidentally, I welcome input as I put my square book together. What
would you like to see in a book on calling squares? (As envisioned, it
will probably have a short section on dance philosophy, history, and
ethics; a medium-length section on technique; and a fairly large
collection of actual dances, with call charts showing the actual wording
and timing I use. I don’t plan to hold back any trade secrets; given my
age and the lucky breaks I’ve had, I feel it’s time to start paying it
forward.)
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
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15 Aug
3:11 a.m.
New subject: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
The Slow One, known as Solomon Levi, will most likely be called at the Heath and
Cummington, MA Fairs before August is finished..And again once the monthly Chesterfield,
MA dances start up for the season in September. It's a staple. In CT/RI fiddler Tom
Hall
does a neat "doodle dee do" during the quiet part... But there is no quiet
part on the Square Dance History recording. And there is no
slow part; with the complete stops that come after each line during the arm turns...at the
caller's discretion. "I'm not going too fast for anybody am I ? ?"
...followed by double time for the dosadoes and promenades. Caller Ted Glabach in
Southern VT was great with it.
It seems the eclectic style of square dance, emerging as the American folk dance, is
already here - square dance programs using a variety
of country dance formations. This is pretty much accepted by dancers and by those who
plan events. The public calls it a "square dance."
Americana! Western wear might be evident. Two weeks ago, at a town ambulance fund
raiser, all received a straw hat at the chow line.
Two of the dances were actually squares.
As per Otto Wartman: Barn Dance works!
Bob LivingstonMiddletown, CT
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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Re: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
Tony: Could you please incl one or two of Lyn Cady's dances from Sherburn
Center - Bridgewater Corners, VT. Honest John, Doo Dar, , The Slow One.
Maybe tell how them Vermonters danced the same dances all the time, year
after year...didn't want anything new. Dudley
Dudley & Jacqueline Laufman
PO Box 61, 322 Shaker Rd
Canterbury, NH 03224
www.laufman.org
603-783-4719
jdlaufman(a)comcast.net
Education book & CD at www.humankinetics.com
Performance Calendar at www.laufman.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Rosenberg paul(a)homespun.biz [trad-dance-callers]
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 10:41 PM
To: trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Re: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it
a name?
Wonderful!
This sounds perfect.
Please include a bunch of easy dances for one-nighters!
Paul Rosenberg
www.homespun.biz
Albany, NY
On Aug 12, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Lynn Garren
garren(a)earthlink.net
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Gee Tony - that sounds just about perfect. Really looking forward to
your book.
On 8/12/16 Fri, Aug 12, 2016 7:51 AM, Tony Parkes tony(a)hands4.com
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Incidentally, I welcome input as I put my square book together. What
would you like to see in a book on calling squares? (As envisioned, it
will probably have a short section on dance philosophy, history, and
ethics; a medium-length section on technique; and a fairly large
collection of actual dances, with call charts showing the actual wording
and timing I use. I don’t plan to hold back any trade secrets; given my
age and the lucky breaks I’ve had, I feel it’s time to start paying it
forward.)
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
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6:49 a.m.
New subject: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
Mo Waddington
http://mo-dance-caller.blogspot.co.uk/p/what-i-do.html
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From: Robert Livingston rlivngstn(a)yahoo.com [trad-dance-callers]
To: Jacqueline and ; trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Re: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
The Slow One, known as Solomon Levi, will most likely be called at the Heath and
Cummington, MA Fairs before August is finished..
And again once the monthly Chesterfield, MA dances start up for the season in September.
It's a staple. In CT/RI fiddler Tom Hall
does a neat "doodle dee do" during the quiet part... But there is no quiet
part on the Square Dance History recording. And there is no
slow part; with the complete stops that come after each line during the arm turns...at
the caller's discretion. "I'm not going too fast for
anybody am I ? ?" ...followed by double time for the dosadoes and promenades.
Caller Ted Glabach in Southern VT was great with it.
It seems the eclectic style of square dance, emerging as the American folk dance, is
already here - square dance programs using a variety
of country dance formations. This is pretty much accepted by dancers and by those who
plan events. The public calls it a "square dance."
Americana! Western wear might be evident. Two weeks ago, at a town ambulance fund
raiser, all received a straw hat at the chow line.
Two of the dances were actually squares.
As per Otto Wartman: Barn Dance works!
Bob Livingston
Middletown, CT
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From: "jdlaufman(a)comcast.net [trad-dance-callers]"
<trad-dance-callers(a)yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [trad-dance-callers] Re: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
Tony: Could you please incl one or two of Lyn Cady's dances from Sherburn
Center - Bridgewater Corners, VT. Honest John, Doo Dar, , The Slow One.
Maybe tell how them Vermonters danced the same dances all the time, year
after year...didn't want anything new. Dudley
Dudley & Jacqueline Laufman
PO Box 61, 322 Shaker Rd
Canterbury, NH 03224
www.laufman.org
603-783-4719
jdlaufman(a)comcast.net
Education book & CD at www.humankinetics.com
Performance Calendar at www.laufman.org
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From: Paul Rosenberg paul(a)homespun.biz [trad-dance-callers]
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 10:41 PM
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a name?
Wonderful!
This sounds perfect.
Please include a bunch of easy dances for one-nighters!
Paul Rosenberg
www.homespun.biz
Albany, NY
On Aug 12, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Lynn Garren
garren(a)earthlink.net
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Gee Tony - that sounds just about perfect. Really looking forward to
your book.
On 8/12/16 Fri, Aug 12, 2016 7:51 AM, Tony Parkes tony(a)hands4.com
[trad-dance-callers] wrote:
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Incidentally, I welcome input as I put my square book together. What
would you like to see in a book on calling squares? (As envisioned, it
will probably have a short section on dance philosophy, history, and
ethics; a medium-length section on technique; and a fairly large
collection of actual dances, with call charts showing the actual wording
and timing I use. I don’t plan to hold back any trade secrets; given my
age and the lucky breaks I’ve had, I feel it’s time to start paying it
forward.)
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
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6:55 a.m.
New subject: Is there an emerging SD style? Has it a name?
Is this the one that in the UK (for at least 30 years) has been known as 'I want to be
near you', or more recently 'I want a banana'*
*monkey nuts are not for me
I want a banana
give me one for tea,
Are we talking about the same thing though.
Barn dance, ONS, square dance, ceilidh are one thing.
But some of the things Tony was talking about in the first post (if I remember????) assume
more knowledge maybe.
Mo Waddington
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