[Organizers] Re: photography policy?

Aside from whether "public invited" counts in privately owned space, lots, maybe most, dances are in public spaces like schools, town halls, even national parks (Glen Echo) On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 9:48 AM Ron Blechner via Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > It's my understanding that most dances are held in non-public spaces, and thus, not public gatherings. No? > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 7:10 PM Stephen Moore via Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> Gads, worrying over dancing issues seems so long ago. >> >> Re: photographs. I edit a small town monthly newspaper/journal in western Massachusetts and so the laws around photography are pertinent. >> >> It’s pretty simple as far as what is legal- Photography of people, regardless of age, at a public gathering is permissible without permission. >> >> But as an ongoing event, you might wish to have a more considered approach, especially if someone has raised it within your dance community. >> >> And by example, a school classroom setting is not a public gathering. Common sense should prevail too. >> >> Stephen Moore >> Lenox Contra Dance >> >> On Mar 19, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Lisa Brown via Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >> Hi Jeff, >> >> Also from our social contract: >> >> Children >> ● Children are welcome; however, those under 18 must come with an adult. >> >> Lisa >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 1:01 PM Jeff Kaufman <jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Lisa, >>> >>> How do you handle situations where someone is taking pictures of the >>> whole crowd if you have minors dancing? >>> >>> Do you not allow people under 18 to attend your dance without a >>> responsible adult? >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 12:27 PM Lisa Brown <lisa(a)cdrochester.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > We have a photography policy for minors and musicians. It's part of our social contract. >>> > >>> > Photography, Videography, and Recording >>> > ● Permission of the responsible adult must be obtained before publishing photos or videos of minor children. >>> > ● Permission of the performers should be obtained before making videos or recordings. >>> > >>> > Lisa - Country Dancers of Rochester >>> > >>> > On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:28 PM Jeff Kaufman via Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> BIDA has: >>> >> >>> >> "Photography: We don't have a photography policy, and it is common for >>> >> dancers to take pictures and post them on social media." -- >>> >> https://www.bidadance.org/accessibility >>> >> >>> >> We talked a lot about ways in which we could potentially make the >>> >> dance better for people who don't want to be photographed or have >>> >> their pictures shared, but we ended up running into the same problems >>> >> Alan describes. >>> >> >>> >> If you have a place where people can trust that photos of them will >>> >> not appear on social media without them having the option to opt out, >>> >> then there are people who can come to your dance who couldn't >>> >> otherwise. On the other hand, if you make some effort in this >>> >> direction but it still happens, which is what will happen unless you >>> >> have quite strict enforcement (especially with newcomers), you aren't >>> >> successfully making the dance more accessible and you are making the >>> >> dance less enjoyable for dancers who like sharing photos. >>> >> >>> >> Jeff >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:19 PM Winston, Alan P. via Organizers >>> >> <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > BACDS started trying to address this 10 or so years ago when we wanted to put dance images in our publicity and privacy concerns meant that we couldn't just use pictures. It was very frustrating that while the Board was arguing about this stuff pictures of our dances from random dancers were turning up on FB with no concern for privacy. We eventually concluded that if we were going to take publicity photos we'd let people know beforehand, announce what dance in the evening we were going to do it in, and let people sit down or leave the room for that one dance. >>> >> > >>> >> > That's okay when you're in charge of the photographer. >>> >> > >>> >> > It turns out to be effectively impossible to really prevent photography without draconian measures like searches at the door and confiscating all the cellphones. >>> >> > >>> >> > The people who don't want to be photographed range from people who just have a preference to people for whom it's a matter of survival - those who have fled violent abusers or who are, say, in witness protection. You cannot guarantee their safety and they need to understand that you can do at most a best-effort attempt. >>> >> > >>> >> > Given that, it's useful to designate one line as photos okay and have signage at the desk about not photographing outside of that line, but people will still miss or forget the signage, so organizers have to keep an eye on it and announcements have to be made, which may on any given night be for the benefit of people who aren't there. >>> >> > >>> >> > I don't think we've tried giving people "no photos please" badges. That might be effective in that people reviewing images before sharing them will see a reminder in the picture, but it's not likely to be useful for people who livestream a minute of your dance. >>> >> > >>> >> > -- Alan >>> >> > >>> >> > ________________________________ >>> >> > From: Karey Bacon via Organizers <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> >>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 6:16 PM >>> >> > To: organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> >>> >> > Subject: [Organizers] photography policy? >>> >> > >>> >> > Hi all, >>> >> > We in Philadelphia are using our Covid time to try to get some policies done. >>> >> > >>> >> > One thing that has come up is a photography/video policy. Some dancers do not want to appear in any photos or videos. >>> >> > >>> >> > Some ideas we tossed about that have practical drawbacks: >>> >> > -designate one line as always non-photo/video >>> >> > -buttons or badges for those who do not want to be on camera >>> >> > >>> >> > Is this something your dance has grappled with? Anything you've come up with that you're willing to share? >>> >> > >>> >> > Thanks in advance, >>> >> > >>> >> > Karey Bacon >>> >> > she/her/hers >>> >> > 267-437-5641 >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > Organizers mailing list -- organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>> >> > To unsubscribe send an email to organizers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Organizers mailing list -- organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>> >> To unsubscribe send an email to organizers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Seneca Falls. Selma. Stonewall. >> >> >> >> -- >> Seneca Falls. Selma. Stonewall. >> _______________________________________________ >> Organizers mailing list -- organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to organizers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> >> >> Stephen Moore >> P.O. Box 38 >> Monterey, MA 01245 >> 413-528-4007 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Organizers mailing list -- organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> To unsubscribe send an email to organizers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net > > _______________________________________________ > Organizers mailing list -- organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > To unsubscribe send an email to organizers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net