5 Oct
2022
5 Oct
'22
3:55 p.m.
Have there been dance groups sued because someone caught Covid at a dance?
Is that what a waiver prevents? How did they prove they caught it at the
dance?
Lissa Bengtson
San Antonio
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:49 AM Liz Sturgen via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
The ten sets of dance organizers running regular
series at the Guiding
Star Grange in Greenfield, MA have agreed to a Covid policy for all of our
dances. You can see it here:
http://www..org/covid-19-policy
<http://www.friendsofgreenfielddance.org/covid-19-policy>
It includes mandatory masks, proof of vaccination, signing a waiver, and
contact information. Testing is not required but highly recommended.
Liz Sturgen
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022, 11:39 PM Joe Harrington via Organizers <
organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Actually, I read Donald Perley's comment
apolitically, not as a statement
that policies should recognize COVID's severe threat to humanity and thus
be severe themselves (that's politics), but rather that the severity of
COVID in your community at any given moment varies, and so should your
policy, for example, to relieve the stress on hospitals.
For example, Contra Knights in Orlando is a new group that just started
holding public dances this summer. It is illegal here to require
vaccination ($5000 fine per person denied, per occurrence, even if you're
an unincorporated association or a nonprofit), and there is significant
local resistance to mask requirements. So our policy is to recommend masks,
to supply KN95s free, to require masks if the case numbers spike, and to
cancel dances if the hospitals are stressed, on the presumption that we
WILL spread COVID if it's around and adding to hospital stress would be
particularly bad.
We don't advertise that on our website, we just do it. When BA.4/5
started spiking this summer, we required masks and said that we very
strongly urged and expected vaccines, and asked unvaccinated people not to
come. But, we didn't check cards or refuse anyone admission, so we were
compliant with the law. Attendance was 30% lower at that dance than the
prior one, and I heard it from unvaccinated people, but hospitals were
starting to get stressed. A month later, we were back to merely
recommending masks, as the numbers had gone down and hospitals were no
longer stressed.
--jh--
Joe Harrington
Organizer, Greater Orlando Contra Dance
Faculty Advisor, Contra Knights, the UCF contra dancing club
contraknights.org
FB, Ig: Contra Knights
contradancerjoe(a)gmail.com
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 4:25 PM Jeff Kaufman via Organizers <
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I agree that how important it is to avoid getting
or spreading covid
should be a major driver of dance policies. But I don't think this list is
a good place for discussion evaluating that importance: there's no "dance
organizer" perspective on that, so there's not much reason to have the
discussion here.
Jeff
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 4:05 PM Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Seconding Donald's comments.
If this were about say, dealing with harassers, or an alcohol policy,
or any other safety issue, my assumption is that we wouldn't be looking to
avoid discussion if there was a major difference on the perception of harm
or danger.
This is one of the few places online where people mostly still are
being fairly civil; those "other places" I've almost entirely left or
muted
because the debate has been so hostile. In contrast, what I read here are
people of some fairly differing opinions and no one is shouting or making
personal attacks.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022, 3:18 PM Donald Perley via Organizers <
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> How serious COVID is should be the driving force behind any COVID
> policy.
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2022, 2:03 PM Jeff Kaufman <jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Discussion of covid policies and implementation are a good fit for
>> this list.
>>
>> Discussion of how organizations have navigated conflicting needs and
>> preferences around covid in their communities is also good fit for this
>> list.
>>
>> General "how seriously should you take covid at this point"
>> discussion is not a good fit: there are lots of other places to have that
>> debate.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 1:39 PM Donald Perley via Organizers <
>> organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Re COVID in general in the US, we are still seeing around 500 deaths
>>> per day.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 4:29 PM John Sweeney via Organizers
>>> <organizers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> > Is COVID still that much of a problem in the USA?
>>> >
>>> > Our current policy is:
>>> > "Vaccinations and LFTs are appreciated, but not required. Please
>>> stay at home if you have symptoms of COVID-19 or you feel unwell in any
>>> other way."
>>> >
>>> > We still provide sanitisers and remind people to use
>>> them. We have never required masks as they can be counter-productive when
>>> exercising. We have been dancing again since July 20th 2021, when lockdown
>>> ended.
>>> >
>>> > I don't know of any UK dance organisations that take any
>>> more precautions than us.
>>> >
>>> > Happy dancing,
>>> > John
>>> >
>>> > John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362
>>> & 07802 940 574
>>> > http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music
>>> Ceilidhs
>>> > http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
>>> > http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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